❃❃ ▶▷ BETCOIN.ag ◁◀ ❃❃#Signature Campaign-High Pay, Monthly Bonus, Special Award

[lorylore]

Sorry for the absence. I am very busy in the past month due to Chinese New Year and moving to a new house. I will be back soon in a week time so hope you can understand why i didnt post anything in the recent weeks. Thanks.

[devthedev]

I'd like to join.

[Heutenamos]

Hello,

thanks for your message. Indeed this Participant already received a message from me.

I request you to not to remove him from the campaign.If you do so then you will be feeding the trolls.The trust system is not made to diddle this way basing on your likes or dislikes while not considering anything said by other people.

Please ask them proof's for what they claim and i (and most of the other supporters) would not support that guy if it is proven that he is a paid shill.

Thanks.

Hello,

I'm very sorry but he already have 3 negative feedbacks. When there was one only I was willing to let him stay with us and help him to get back his trust rating back to normal.
Now when there are 3 neg and 0 positive I cannot let him participate with us.

Those ratings are not valid and are based on likes and believes.No body can force you to how to use your own money and i don't see any problem in that guy wasting his money over a hooker or on a risky game.

You should not support any of such trolls.

[KosmoKisa]

will be paid for posts in local section?

[krunox123]

will be paid for posts in local section?

Read the first post. AFAIK, all your posts will be paid as long as it is not in the off-topic section.

[rozee]

I'd like to join please let me know if i'm eligible thanks in advance

[Watoshi-Dimobuto]

I'd like to join too.

[krunox123]

will be paid for posts in local section?

Read the first post. AFAIK, all your posts will be paid as long as it is not in the off-topic section.

Really? I thought they didn't count local posts

AFAIK, yes.

roslinpl said, "Very constructive posts in local sections counts.".

[manselr]

Hello,

thanks for your message. Indeed this Participant already received a message from me.

I request you to not to remove him from the campaign.If you do so then you will be feeding the trolls.The trust system is not made to diddle this way basing on your likes or dislikes while not considering anything said by other people.

Please ask them proof's for what they claim and i (and most of the other supporters) would not support that guy if it is proven that he is a paid shill.

Thanks.

Hello,

I'm very sorry but he already have 3 negative feedbacks. When there was one only I was willing to let him stay with us and help him to get back his trust rating back to normal.
Now when there are 3 neg and 0 positive I cannot let him participate with us.

Those ratings are not valid and are based on likes and believes.No body can force you to how to use your own money and i don't see any problem in that guy wasting his money over a hooker or on a risky game.

You should not support any of such trolls.

This guy didn't accept me on the campaign because I had 1 negative trust feedback from a troll. I already called him out in the past, even made a thread about it and I had mods saying that I was right. Guys like this (that don't accept you on their campaign because of stupid untrusted negative feedback) are feeding the trolls that send random untrusted negative feedback around. For some reason he can't understand this.
What's even funnier, judging by his own rules, he shouldn't be able to participate on the campaign for he has 1 untrusted negative feedback and apparently that's enough.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322628.msg13548165

As you can see everyone thinks roslinpl politics to accept or not people in here are absolutely nonsensical. Guy is asking for actual trusted negative feedback doing this.

[TwitchySeal]

i (and most of the other supporters) would not support that guy if it is proven that he is a paid shill.

Thanks.

If you (or any other supporters/members of this campaign) take ethics into consideration when deciding to wear a signature or not, please look into the following:



Here is proof of Betcoin.ag paying a player to write a good review, show it to them for approval, and then post i in their own thread.  They later claimed this kind of thing was not unethical, it was generous and common sense to do this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1370893.msg13945299#msg13945299


Here is proof of ftwbtc (member of this campaign) acting as a shill:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?


Here is proof that noobtc (recently requested to join this campaign) is an alt of ftwbtc created to attack me and also fool people into thinking he was a new Betcoin player that was thrilled with the service:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13918663#msg13918663


Here is a thread explaining why I believe that Betcoin.ag management is behind ftwbtc:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365849.0


Here is a long list of allegations with evidence of them stealing 10's of Bitcoins (possibly over 100), blatantly lying and other scummy behavior on their part:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0
(they have not disputed any of this)
 

[cryptosmoker]

Is there any signature that I can wear?

This is an alt account of a member who is already in your campaign.

Last weekend ftwbtc posted this on Betcoins forum:

ftwbtc: In retrospect, he shouldn't1 week 1 day ago
In retrospect, he shouldn't have slowed played the Kings, but he is also very very lucky SillySausage didn't have more on the table because that could have completely wiped out 40+ btc in one hand!

link: https://www.betcoin.ag/actl0nnnn-loses-king-quads-royal-flush-bad-beat-poker-hand#comment-52948

Within minutes this was posted by noobtc in this forum:

In retrospect, don't slow play those Kings!  __ACTl0NNNN is lucky SillySausage didn't have more on the table!

I was expecting both accounts to dispute it and claim it was a coincidence that they both posted identical thoughts, which began with "In retrospect, " and included "more on the table" and were made just a few minutes apart.

Instead they (singular) have just ignored it.

I suspect the sponsor of this campaign is behind all of this, but I'll stop here for now.

Can you explain what do you mean?  First you came here and post something about our Participant and then you say that "the sponsor is behind all of this." Behind all of what?  
Best regards.

(...)
I suspect the sponsor of this campaign is behind all of this, but I'll stop here for now.

Can you explain what do you mean?  First you came here and post something about our Participant and then you say that "the sponsor is behind all of this." Behind all of what?  


Best regards.

By sponser, I mean Betcoin.ag management.

I believe the ftwbtc1 and noobtc accounts Betcoin are used to protect their reputation.

ftwbtc1 = noobtc Post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13883749#msg13883749
ftwbtc/noobtc = Betcoin Jessica Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365849.0

I'm very confident ftwbtc = noobtc
I think it's very likely ftwbtc/noobtc is Betcoin Jessica or is someone who is told exactly what to post by Betcoin Management.





Other relevant examples of Betcoins questionable ethics. (questionable is generous)

Andrew Betcoin:
I will give you a daily ticket, but you must write a review about Betcoin and tell people why you enjoy playing at Betcoin in Spanish. This review will then be posted on a forum. Please do it here in this ticket first.

Andrew Betcoin:
Post in this forum is at the bottom in the answers and I'll give you a bonus ticket:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.1300

Betcoin Scam Accusation (undisputed after months) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0




No disrespect intended for manager of this campaign.

Hello,

No disrespect, but I must stop you here.

Ftwbtc came here as a "Member" and he just nicely wanted to participate in our campaign.
I told him that we don't accept "members" but he wanted to wear our signature without getting paid per post.
He is a big fan of the Betcoin.ag because he know that Betcoin.ag is one of the best.

Also if Betcoin.ag Management was offering some tickets for reviews about them, what's wrong about that? Ask people for a review is wrong in your opinion?

Thank you very much for your time. Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with offering bounties for reviews.
However, if noobtc account is an alt of ftwbtw I'll do my own own investigation.


Good luck,
best regards.

Hows the investigation going ?

[mOgliE]

i (and most of the other supporters) would not support that guy if it is proven that he is a paid shill.

Thanks.

If you (or any other supporters/members of this campaign) take ethics into consideration when deciding to wear a signature or not, please look into the following:



Here is proof of Betcoin.ag paying a player to write a good review, show it to them for approval, and then post i in their own thread.  They later claimed this kind of thing was not unethical, it was generous and common sense to do this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1370893.msg13945299#msg13945299


Here is proof of ftwbtc (member of this campaign) acting as a shill:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?


Here is proof that noobtc (recently requested to join this campaign) is an alt of ftwbtc created to attack me and also fool people into thinking he was a new Betcoin player that was thrilled with the service:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281850.msg13918663#msg13918663


Here is a thread explaining why I believe that Betcoin.ag management is behind ftwbtc:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365849.0


Here is a long list of allegations with evidence of them stealing 10's of Bitcoins (possibly over 100), blatantly lying and other scummy behavior on their part:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0
(they have not disputed any of this)
 

These are serious accusations.

I like Betcoin.ag and I seriously want to support them.

I'm a bit skeptical about your accusations. What's wrong about paying for reviews? It's something every company does and it's incredibly common on the web. You want to refuse services of every company who bought views/reviews/trafic or things like this? Your choice but it's going to be tough.

For the stealing of 10's of btc... I'll look into it but I seriously doubt you. They're a huge casino with excellent reputation. Why exchanging their reputation for 100 btc?

[TwitchySeal]

What's wrong about paying for reviews? It's something every company does and it's incredibly common on the web. You want to refuse services of every company who bought views/reviews/trafic or things like this? Your choice but it's going to be tough.

For the stealing of 10's of btc... I'll look into it but I seriously doubt you. They're a huge casino with excellent reputation. Why exchanging their reputation for 100 btc?

They pay players to leave reviews which appear unsolicited and genuine, all the while ignoring all of the allegations I listed.  I believe this is unethical and I don't think every company does this, but if they did, I don't see how it would affect whether it was ethical or not.

As far as the theft:

In each of the biggest examples I've proven, the funds were initially taken unintentionally (they claimed this, and I believe them)  They were taken by over raking cash game pots, so it went on unnoticed for a while.  Once it was brought to their attention rather than return the funds immediately and fix the issue causing the over rake, they did nothing and continued to over rake for weeks or months then attempted to cover the issue up or simply ignore it - either way it's clear they plan on keeping the funds, so I think it's fair to consider them stolen.

Read the accusations objectively, I'm interested in and will respect all opinions.  So far those who have supported betcoin after reading the accusations have either just ignored me (like betcoin.ag and ftwbtc) or resorted to calling me names. 

[Betcoin.AG]

Thank you to everyone for making our signature campaign one of the most popular campaigns here at Bitcointalk.  We truly wish we could accommodate everyone.  We will be announcing the next stage special bonus this week and will continue to provide an exceptional signature campaign for all of our great participants.

[Equinoxx]

Thank you to everyone for making our signature campaign one of the most popular campaigns here at Bitcointalk.  We truly wish we could accommodate everyone.  We will be announcing the next stage special bonus this week and will continue to provide an exceptional signature campaign for all of our great participants.

Thanks a lot! This is truly the best signature campaign I have been in.

[buddycool]

Hi. Can i join this campaign?

[ftwbtc1]

Keep up the great work with the signature campaign guys.  Any idea what the next special bonus will be?

[roslinpl]

I'd like to join.

Hello,

Thank you very much for your message, I already sent you a PM - tonight we're starting a new Stage of our campaign, so it's a perfect time for you to join us.

As you can see everyone thinks roslinpl politics to accept or not people in here are absolutely nonsensical. Guy is asking for actual trusted negative feedback doing this.

If you want them to participate in your campaign please create your own signature campaign and accept them to participate in your campaign. Please in the future don't tell me who we should and who we should not accept.

Hows the investigation going ?

Very good.

I'd like to join please let me know if i'm eligible thanks in advance

I'd like to join too.

Hi. Can i join this campaign?

Thank you for your messages, PM sent.

Keep up the great work with the signature campaign guys.  Any idea what the next special bonus will be?

Please wait for an announcement :-)


@TwitchySeal Hello and please find suitable threads and sections for your posts.



Best regards.

[TwitchySeal]

@TwitchySeal Hello and please find suitable threads and sections for your posts.



Best regards.

Hi,

Is there anywhere you suggest I haven't posted yet?

I would very much appreciate your opinion on the matter as well, considering you are running their campaign and all.

Are you simply choosing to ignore what I say because you don't want it to be true?

Do you know it's true, but don't want others to find out? or perhaps think its no big deal to lie cheat and scam?

Or have you looked into my posts and found a reason to think my evidence is fabricated?



Here's what others are saying in the scam accusation forum, this was weeks ago...

Im pretty shocked that this thread has been here almost a month and not 1 betcoin rep has tried to come in a protect their site?? That to me smells fishy in itself

Maybe they did not read this thread yet (but I doubt it tbh), has anyone linked this thread to their official thread?
Surprised as well that there is no one of their sign campaign members came to this thread. Usually, sign campaigners defends the site that they advertise..

[roslinpl]

Hi,
(...)
I would very much appreciate your opinion on the matter as well, considering you are running their campaign and all.
(...)

Hello again,

to be honest with you I'm very sure that your accusations against Betcoin.ag are false.

When I will want to discuss your opinion with you I'll visit your threads. I hope you understand the forum rules and now IMO you're spamming our campaign thread.



Best regards.