Time to stand up to the XT shills here!

[spartacusrex]

err.. Bit rich Ciyam, since you started this 'with us against us' thread !?

Funny - as I'm not on any side (am just against the XT shilling and Mike Hearn's approach).

I'm not too fussed if the block size is increased somewhat (although I do think that BIP101 is too much and aiming to predict too far into the future).

OK.

So - if nothing else, I think this 'discussion' has shown that the XT Shills, are actually 'Bigger Blocks' Shills.

And that it is by no means certain that either camp is right with regard to that. (Unless I missed the post with the infallible argument)

That may clear up a lot of the confusion regarding worshipping Hearn, blacklists, and all the other nonsense people are bandying around..

 

[CIYAM]

So - if nothing else, I think this 'discussion' has shown that actually the XT Shills, are actually 'Bigger Block' Shills.

Actually - they are not - and that is exactly what this topic has demonstrated.

Mention any other BIP to do with increasing block size and the XT shills immediately attack it (i.e. there is only one way to increase block size and that is the BIP101 way).

It is amusing that the shills keep saying "we are just wanting bigger blocks" but as soon as any other suggestion to do that is mentioned they want to "shoot it down in flames".

This is why these people are clearly *shills* rather than being supporters of bigger blocks.

[Kprawn]

XT is not a problem. The saviors are near.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3s3u8x/our_blockstream_saviours_and_xt_infidels/

This kind of "if you are not with us you are against us" attitude is exactly why so many of us are sick and tired of Mike Hearn (who has stated he won't attend the block size meetup in December because it would be "a waste of his time").

What is needed is a well thought out and well supported (by miners, developers, businesses and users) way forward rather than a hostile takeover attempt involving misinformation and alarmist claims.

I was actually rather amazed that Gavin had got himself so involved with this although it appears that more recently he is less so.

The way he brushed off Adam's hand, shows me that he wants his way or the highway. I just want us to get on with business and forget about these power trips and self interest.

They know attending the meetup will not influence the crowd there. They played in their backyard and going to a foreign country, where the majority of the people attending

would most probably be against their proposal, would not be beneficial. You chose your fights selectively, or you get your ass kicked.  

[brg444]

edit: and this zarahustra shill is a tiny wheeny piece of lying fucking shit.

Great to know the ad-hominem 'Bitcoiners' on the core side. If you have such friends and cheerleaders you don't need enemies anymore.

XT is not a problem. The saviors are near.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3s3u8x/our_blockstream_saviours_and_xt_infidels/

Hypocrite much?

Unfortunately it's true that the blockstream cheerleaders here applauded DDoS attacks against XT Nodes.

XT is an attack on Bitcoin. Don't be so surprised if there are collateral damage within the minority XT faction.

Blockstream is an attack on Bitcoin development; a take over. That's the reason why development is forking and decentralizing.
The mod behavior is also an attack on Bitcoin. That's the reason why the forums are forking and decentralizing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/trendingsubreddits/comments/3s0i89/trending_subreddits_for_20151108_rbtc/

Sometimes, bad behavior determines good results.

Someone apparently didn't get the notice...

40 commits to the Core GitHub repo since the beginning on the month.

Last XT commit was October 23rd  

By the way your forum "forks" are nothing but unproductive circlejerks.

[Zarathustra]

err.. Bit rich Ciyam, since you started this 'with us against us' thread !?

Funny - as I'm not on any side (am just against the XT shilling and Mike Hearn's approach).

It is the XT supporters that are demanding people to "take sides" (and attacking anyone that isn't on theirs but it would be better if the ad-homs were not being used by anyone).

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

[brg444]

err.. Bit rich Ciyam, since you started this 'with us against us' thread !?

Funny - as I'm not on any side (am just against the XT shilling and Mike Hearn's approach).

It is the XT supporters that are demanding people to "take sides" (and attacking anyone that isn't on theirs but it would be better if the ad-homs were not being used by anyone).

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

[CIYAM]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

Not liking XT does not equate to not supporting larger blocks - you do realise that there are several BIPs for bigger blocks?

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

If Mike Hearn wasn't doing things like refusing to go to meetups with core developers, miners and major businesses then maybe he would have more credibility but instead he keeps on pushing to become the CEO of Bitcoin which it appears very few people apart from Coinbase want.

[pedrog]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

Not liking XT does not equate to not supporting larger blocks - you do realise that there are several BIPs for bigger blocks?

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

If Mike Hearn wasn't doing things like refusing to go to meetups with core developers, miners and major businesses then maybe he would have more credibility but instead he keeps on pushing to become the CEO of Bitcoin which it appears very few people apart from Coinbase want.

Which BIP has been chosen?

Where can see the tests? How soon will it enter the main network?

[brg444]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

Not liking XT does not equate to not supporting larger blocks - you do realise that there are several BIPs for bigger blocks?

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

If Mike Hearn wasn't doing things like refusing to go to meetups with core developers, miners and major businesses then maybe he would have more credibility but instead he keeps on pushing to become the CEO of Bitcoin which it appears very few people apart from Coinbase want.

Which BIP has been chosen?

Where can see the tests? How soon will it enter the main network?

  gimme a break. BIP101 was barely tested.

why do you seem to be in a such a hurry?

[chek2fire]

fork without consensus is simple meaning economical disaster for bitcoin ecosystem. this is something that can understand even a child. For that is very suspicious the hijack movement from Mike Hearn and Gavin.
Take a look and this course about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AikLs1P4_PA

[Zarathustra]

By the way your forum "forks" are nothing but unproductive circlejerks.

When I compare those threads with yours, I know who is unproductive and who is productive:

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/

[Zarathustra]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

Wrong, I am a typical BU 'shill'.

[brg444]

By the way your forum "forks" are nothing but unproductive circlejerks.

When I compare those threads with yours, I know who is unproductive and who is productive:

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/

Please tell me you didn't just linked me to the Bitcoin Unlimited thread, a spherical cow pipedream that's never going to see the light of the day  

Who's going to develop it, Peter R & cypherdoc ?

[hdbuck]

By the way your forum "forks" are nothing but unproductive circlejerks.

When I compare those threads with yours, I know who is unproductive and who is productive:

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-ideas-arguments-and-proposals.123/

Please tell me you didn't just linked me to the Bitcoin Unlimited thread, a spherical cow pipedream that's never going to see the light of the day  

Who's going to develop it, Peter R & cypherdoc ?

ayy lmao

I will keep using XT unless the people behind Unlimited manage to get dozens of developers, companies and mining pools to support their version.
I think it's not realistic right now and we should work together on XT.
If we ever need more than 8GB I'm all in favour of completely removing the limit (I think companies like Coinbase & Circle will make that unnecessary)

impressive!

[pedrog]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

Not liking XT does not equate to not supporting larger blocks - you do realise that there are several BIPs for bigger blocks?

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

If Mike Hearn wasn't doing things like refusing to go to meetups with core developers, miners and major businesses then maybe he would have more credibility but instead he keeps on pushing to become the CEO of Bitcoin which it appears very few people apart from Coinbase want.

Which BIP has been chosen?

Where can see the tests? How soon will it enter the main network?

  gimme a break. BIP101 was barely tested.

why do you seem to be in a such a hurry?

Because I'm waiting for a confirmation for the last 3 hours and there are 3MB in unconfirmed transactions...

We need the upgrade now!

And why are you so relaxed?

[CIYAM]

Because I'm waiting for a confirmation for the last 3 hours and there are 3MB in unconfirmed transactions...

Try paying a fee and not using ad-sig campaigns and the like to get your coins (which I presume are mostly actually close to *dust* amounts).

Satoshi never mentioned that Bitcoin should be engineered in a way to suit people to make money from posting rubbish on forums.

[pedrog]

Because I'm waiting for a confirmation for the last 3 hours and there are 3MB in unconfirmed transactions...

Try paying a fee and not using ad-sig campaigns or faucets or the like to get your coins (which I presume are mostly actually *dust*).

Satoshi never mentioned that Bitcoin should be engineered in a way to suit people to make money from posting rubbish on forums.

You must be a genius!

Dude, even if everyone payed a fee of 1 bitcoin the problem is still there, there's not enough room for all the transactions!

[CIYAM]

Dude, even if everyone payed 1 bitcoin fee the problem is still there, there's not enough room for all the transactions!

Seriously - this isn't the 1980's (even though I grew up then).

The blocks are half empty mostly for weeks now - so what on earth are you talking about?

(and if they are full at times then it would be due to another attack that is just involving tiny amounts that could easily just be ignored if need be)

[brg444]

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

Not liking XT does not equate to not supporting larger blocks - you do realise that there are several BIPs for bigger blocks?

(again you are a typical XT shill who just pretends that BIP101 is the only bigger block proposal out there)

If Mike Hearn wasn't doing things like refusing to go to meetups with core developers, miners and major businesses then maybe he would have more credibility but instead he keeps on pushing to become the CEO of Bitcoin which it appears very few people apart from Coinbase want.

Which BIP has been chosen?

Where can see the tests? How soon will it enter the main network?

  gimme a break. BIP101 was barely tested.

why do you seem to be in a such a hurry?

Because I'm waiting for a confirmation for the last 3 hours and there are 3MB in unconfirmed transactions...

We need the upgrade now!

And why are you so relaxed?

So you acknowledge that there is barely any activity on the network yet you suggest something is wrong because your transaction is not getting through....

Raising the blocksize is gonna help how..?

[yayayo]

err.. Bit rich Ciyam, since you started this 'with us against us' thread !?

Funny - as I'm not on any side (am just against the XT shilling and Mike Hearn's approach).

It is the XT supporters that are demanding people to "take sides" (and attacking anyone that isn't on theirs but it would be better if the ad-homs were not being used by anyone).

It's not the big block supporters who are censoring, banning, DDoSing.

The problem with XTcoiners is that they are so absorbed from worshiping their gurus Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen that they are unable to notice any well-thought-out alternatives.

Another problem is their disability to distinguish between Bitcoin and altcoins. So they come over loaded with spiritual emotions about the XTcoin prophecy and post in Bitcoin forums. They can not understand that XTcoin simply is not a topic there, because their religious leaders told them that the word of XTcoin should be spread everywhere. So they cannot cope with disapproval.

Let us all pause for a moment to think of their great misery.

ya.ya.yo!