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November 11, 2015, 11:33:48 AM
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<snip>Go back to your failing crappy-slow-cooking-heist pool and wail to whoever would care to listen to your trite, you modern day bandit.</snip>

"Trite" is an adjective not a noun so I don't think you can use the word this way. Can you paraphrase so I can figure out what you meant?

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November 11, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
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Well, there you go .... saying they are large miners is relative.
You can safely assume (and I would have thought worked out by now) that I do know whatever it is you are specifically asking is and works, saying that (and this is the argument you threw my way and http://kano.is pool continually tosses about), variance being higher on a smaller pool "should" not be an issue as "it evens out" in the long run .... supposedly, as it clearly does NOT on the bandit's crappy-slow-cooking-heist pool. And don't forget, higher payouts on slush anyway despite the supposed higher fees .... Are we on the same page here?

Kano pool's long term luck is above 100%, so yes it does even out in the end.
You do have your eyes wide shut afterall .... that reported luck has been massaged by those 1% invalids, so no, at https://kano.is/ pool it does NOT even out.
Sigh - still more lies about my https://kano.is/ pool. What is your problem?

You got upset that slush didn't keep his 0% fee after the end of August?
The average payout at my pool has been more than here for a long time.
The 12 blocks in October were pretty unlucky at my pool, but even that didn't push the long term average luck at https://kano.is/ under 101%.
The current https://kano.is/ long term average luck is 101.72% You don't seem to even understand that shares are only blocks when they are equal or above network difficulty. They also can't be an orphan when they are below network difficulty because an orphan has to meet the network difficulty of a block to start with Tongue

Sheesh you should actually learn about mining - there's a network difficulty that changes every 2016 blocks.
Not matter what you think slush might pretend to do, on my https://kano.is/ pool, no share below the network difficulty is counted as a block in block statistics.
It may show up initially as a block on the web page, but soon after will change state.
I wonder how often you complain to pool owners when you get a share that's 1,000,000 diff (or 1,000 diff or 10,000,000 diff or ... any value under network difficulty) that they ripped everyone off on the pool because they didn't include it as a block in payouts?

Your not making any sense, and you are lying and not providing any proof of those lies because there is no proof.

Though I'm wasting my time replying because you clearly are either some clueless moron who knows nothing about blocks and shares, or your just lying. Either way it's a waste of time since you've provided no proof of any of your complaints about my pool. Have fun in your delusions. I've had enough since there is no proof and will be no proof Smiley

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November 11, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
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Learn something about mining ? I am sure you believe you are the authority on the subject ... don't make me laugh you nincompoop. Hell freeze over, you must think you are Satoshi!
Well, considering -ck (1st) and myself (2nd) wrote most of the software in the miners that mine most of the Bitcoin blocks on the planet ... yep I do consider myself an authority on the subject ...

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November 11, 2015, 02:42:42 PM
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Learn something about mining ? I am sure you believe you are the authority on the subject ... don't make me laugh you nincompoop. Hell freeze over, you must think you are Satoshi!
Well, considering -ck (1st) and myself (2nd) wrote most of the software in the miners that mine most of the Bitcoin blocks on the planet ... yep I do consider myself an authority on the subject ...

Did you now? You mean you forked cpuminer and now claim all the credit for that open-source code? Good on you, pity the prevalence of the cpuminer fork has not been replicated on your very own (no forks here) crappy-slow-cooking-heist pool .. eeh? Telling I'd say. (An authority my arse!)
Sigh - do you lack any understanding of english?

Read it again:
"wrote most of the software"

I've not claimed anything like your delusional post says of claiming "all the credit"

-ck forked cpuminer as cgminer and since then most of the cpuminer code has been replaced.
Not all of it, but most of it.
github shows this quite clearly - learn some technical skills and go find out what code is original and unchanged ... though clearly that is beyond you since you are making false claims about what I said.

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November 11, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
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Yep I'm an authority, and I'm still not sure what you are deluding yourself about.

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November 11, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
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Yep I'm an authority, and I'm still not sure what you are deluding yourself about.

In your head you are an authority (and I am quite happy for it to be there).... believe me, more than a few people know what you pass off to be an authority at, and they don't blow their trumpet as countenance to support blatant lies the way you do. And I am not surprised you are lost in your own web of lies, you nincompoop.
You, kano, are nothing .... nothing at all in the grand scheme of things cpuminer, capish?

Dude, you are like a little girl in elementary school who makes pointed accusations [Without any proof] in an effort to gratify your own selfish and meaningless existence.  It's quite obvious who is making a fool of themselves on here.  You've been owned.  Plain and simple...

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November 11, 2015, 11:59:56 PM
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I don't understand pools, or their fees really. Who benefits in the long run, the owner of the pool and the people who reinvest? It's a bit too confusing for me to get into, I think I'll stick to faucets and hobby mining. Meh.

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November 12, 2015, 12:53:33 AM
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I've been catching up on my reading in this thread and what excitement the past few pages.
By the way, just to make sure everyone is aware, it is OK if I post in this thread. You may not like it, but I can do so anyway. It does discuss Slush as well, and I mention some of my experience while mining here.

I mined here for a little over a month, maybe six weeks and then moved to kano.is because I enjoy the way it is setup more. I like the long 'N' time.  
I have been there for about 8 months, maybe more total.

I had more problems with the super fast ramp down here at Slush than anything. Well, that and I was here during a magnificient unlucky streak.
Here at Slush if you take your miners down for a few, maybe 5 minutes at the most, it isn't long and poof, nada, you get paid nothing. The ramp down is FAST. If anyone needs proof on that please let's time it because I do not want to state anything as fact we cannot prove.

I think that is my biggest problem with the points you have made Pekatete. You haven't stated anything with proof behind it, something everyone can test for themselves and get a result immediately. Something someone would go through the trouble of testing for himself.

If you go back and read the past few pages of your posts you have to be reasonable and see them through the eyes of someone who doesn't spend as much time as maybe some others do, and they see what appears to be someone randomly going off on DMWardJR over mentioning Kano.is and Slush in the same sentence, or suggesting it as a backup. That is an opinion of yours, and you have every right to it, I would fight anyone for your right to have it, but it is an opinion and not fact. As you go deeper in your posts you represent the things you claim as facts, and not opinion. I'm sorry, but that is not the case when debated unless the appropriate evidence is presented with alleged items.

Do you have any evidence to backup a claim of the Kano.Is mining pool of cheating? I am only interested in proof, evidence, etc, not someone repeating the same words, or the same idea using different words, but something to show those things are true as in a quoted post, a PM, a screen shot.

Misrepresenting solved blocks?

Different code being ran on the actual pool versus what is stored on the Git? (Obviously you must mean some differences outside what anyone else would change in any pool software. There are mandatory differences in setups, configurations, etc)

This is a for example item. For example say there is a court case where a situation arises and experts are needed who specialize in pool software, operating a pool, how mining ASICS operate today and how they have evolved. Now barring anything except experience do you agree it would be a short list and that Kano and a very short list of others may be called as expert testimony? Where it concerns the actual software running on the miner who on that list would be left as publicly identifiable experts besides the two guys with all of the other experience as well as the most with this? CK and Kano. It is an obvious answer, so I am stretching to see where the proof is to the contrary.

Obviously you do not owe anyone any proof, no one does, but making the same accusations post after post by rearranging the words doesn't carry any weight.

You have made several large accusations without what generally accompanies such if it is expected to be believable and that is a way to verify such.

Fortunately, I can help you, help me understand and see some of the things you have mentioned. If you don't mind helping out a bit I will not ask for much I assure you.
1. I'm sure as much as a defender of the people that you are when you saw a pool taking advantage of the community by not labelling an orphan an orphan, you saw this pool keep a block, not turn in the block, misrepresent a block to the mining public well you took a screenshot.
 - Post it on up here.
2. Kano told you on the forum that he uses different pool code... so another easy one.
 - Post it on up here.
3. That same pool is ripping off miners in general and a "slow cooker ripoff" if I have that right? You are stating the pool is stealing from miners slowly over time.
- Post it on up here.
 - I am sure you will have some math to back that up. You should be able to use Organofcorti's charts as well to give a proper presentation. Unless... are you saying Organofcorti is in on it as well and his data is inaccurate?
Please, explain it to those of us who must be unable to catch it!

I think there were a couple of more things, but these should cover your posts. If you can prove any of these claims you would be giving the community reason to believe any of them and then may have an impact on who mines where. Not to mention if anyone was operating a pool in a way which used shady tactics plenty of people would be up in arms about it.

A lack of any proof makes it seem more like a personal problem.

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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November 12, 2015, 06:38:44 PM
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Yes, it is fantastic. Thanks for asking.

Now, how about that proof I mentioned to backup the claims you made?
Obviously those little pesky things called facts, honesty, someone being able to depend on what you say is true, well, those things just don't mean much to you do they?

I'm confident Slush loves having you in their corner.

Feel free to carry on with your BS. It is also obvious a rational, honest discussion eludes you.

As a reminder of some of the simple items you can do to backup the things you say:

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Fortunately, I can help you, help me understand and see some of the things you have mentioned. If you don't mind helping out a bit I will not ask for much I assure you.
1. I'm sure as much as a defender of the people that you are when you saw a pool taking advantage of the community by not labelling an orphan an orphan, you saw this pool keep a block, not turn in the block, misrepresent a block to the mining public well you took a screenshot.
 - Post it on up here.
2. Kano told you on the forum that he uses different pool code... so another easy one.
 - Post it on up here.
3. That same pool is ripping off miners in general and a "slow cooker ripoff" if I have that right? You are stating the pool is stealing from miners slowly over time.
- Post it on up here.
 - I am sure you will have some math to back that up. You should be able to use Organofcorti's charts as well to give a proper presentation. Unless... are you saying Organofcorti is in on it as well and his data is inaccurate?
Please, explain it to those of us who must be unable to catch it!


Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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November 12, 2015, 09:12:48 PM
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Topic split off from slush thread for being offtopic and then the remainder of the discussion deleted and locked for turning into trolling.

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