'I Don't Represent a Threat of Any Kind'

[Spendulus]

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No, I'm asking YOU.  And you don't know what I know or don't know.  Maybe I should be making demands for you to read.

Also, are you in Falong?  Just curious.

i am not falungong member,

but i know their story from very original, the case in 1999 in  my home town in my university

i know chinese politics much better and much more than you, no need discuss on this , baby

I happen to know a lot about cults, though.  Whether you know more than me about chinese politics would be something you don't know.

Regardless, I take a dim view of people that act authoritative and knowledgeable on the internet, but who don't answer actual, and often simple questions.

So would you like demands from me that you read something?

[msc_de]

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No, I'm asking YOU.  And you don't know what I know or don't know.  Maybe I should be making demands for you to read.

Also, are you in Falong?  Just curious.

i am not falungong member,

but i know their story from very original, the case in 1999 in  my home town in my university

i know chinese politics much better and much more than you, no need discuss on this , baby

I happen to know a lot about cults, though.  Whether you know more than me about chinese politics would be something you don't know.

Regardless, I take a dim view of people that act authoritative and knowledgeable on the internet, but who don't answer actual, and often simple questions.

So would you like demands from me that you read something?

i am sorry, your argument or comment or question are far away from the topic of the thread, sorry again, no need to answer

[msc_de]

'I Don't Represent a Threat of Any Kind'
2015-11-12

http://www.rfa.org/english/women/china-missworld-11122015104012.html



Miss Canada Anastasia Lin testifies on China's human rights situation at a US Congressional hearing, July 23, 2015.

When China hosts the 65th Miss World beauty contest starting on Nov. 21 on the island province of Hainan, one of the contestants will likely be missing from the line-up. Anastasia Lin, currently Miss Canada, has apparently been denied a visa by the ruling Chinese Communist Party after she spoke out publicly about the persecution of fellow members of the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement, which Beijing has designated an "evil cult." Lin, who was born in China but is now a Canadian citizen, and whose China-based father has been visited by the state security police, told RFA's Cantonese Service that her visa application has stalled:

They need a letter of invitation if you are applying for a visa, and Miss World issued one from their London headquarters. But when I went to apply for the visa they told me that this didn't count, and that I had to get an invitation letter from inside China, from the event's organizers there.

I asked Miss World to request this from China for me, because I wasn't the only person having this problem; they all were. I was just the first person to ask them. But all of the other contestants have now received their invitation letters from China. They got them on Oct. 30. Now it's Nov. 10, and I haven't heard anything at all from them.

I was looking at photos of the letters that the other contestants sent to me, and it says that the issuing department is the Sanya Municipal Foreign Affairs Bureau, so it's definitely the government's doing.

What this means is that the Chinese government hasn't issued me an invitation.

There are still 10 days to go, so we haven't given up hope yet. Miss World understands that I did a few things with the intention of helping some people out. I hope they will understand that was the whole reason I took part in this contest in the first place. Maybe they'll move the contest if the Chinese government doesn't give me a visa.

I am 25 years old, and I just graduated from college. I don't represent a threat of any kind to them. I just wanted to speak out on behalf of some Chinese people. I think that it would show the world how international they've become if they allowed me to go.

[msc_de]

Human rights[edit]
Along with her acting and participation in pageants, Lin is known for her public position against human rights abuses in China, particularly against practitioners of Falun Gong, a spiritual discipline. In 2012, she was one of eleven stakeholders selected to meet Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird upon the establishment of Canada's Office of Religious Freedom. Previously, Lin was one of ten Youth Leaders who met Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs Bob Dechert to consult on the same issue.[5] Canadian television reports attributed her victory in the 2015 Miss World Pageant in part to her passion for human rights.

Due to her activism, Chinese state security agents visited and threatened her father in China, attempting to have him sever all contact with her. "Shortly after my victory, my father started receiving threats from Chinese security agents complaining about my human rights advocacy," Lin wrote in an op-ed in The Washington Post. "No doubt fearing for his livelihood and business, my father asked me to stop advocating for human rights. He told me that if I did not stop, we would have to go our separate ways."[6]

In July 2015 Lin was invited to testify before U.S. Congress, addressing the topic of Religion With "Chinese Characteristics": Persecution and Control in Xi Jinping's China. Speaking before the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, Lin said that the intimidation and threats her father received are common. "Good people like my father, a law abiding and contributing citizen, an honest businessman now too afraid to talk to his daughter, who once supported her in everything she did... now must leave her to face the world alone... Mr. Chairman, I hope you understand this is a common experience for so many American and Canadian citizens. Those Chinese who dare to speak their minds do so knowing that those still within the regime's reach in China could pay the price for it."[7]

In subsequent interviews with media, Lin has spoken out on behalf of Falun Gong and other persecuted groups in China. And since being crowned Miss World Canada, she stopped receiving invitations to attend Chinese events held by community leaders with ties to the Chinese consulate in Toronto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia_Lin

[msc_de]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

[Spendulus]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

[msc_de]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

i dont think your question made any sense

[Spendulus]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

i dont think your question made any sense

I think it does.

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

So you probably should deal with someone asking "what the hell is that?"

[Vika NSFW]

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

This is so close with the answer - "from where "Li Hongzhi" have all this money for spreading hate to China Mainland and racist speeches."

[Spendulus]

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

This is so close with the answer - "from where "Li Hongzhi" have all this money for spreading hate to China Mainland and racist speeches."

Like I mentioned, and I'm serious about this and not facetious.  I don't see this woman winning beauty contests.

Here is is pumping up Falong in the actual contest and then doing a mediocre piano jig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRnKwU70po4

[msc_de]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

i dont think your question made any sense

I think it does.

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

So you probably should deal with someone asking "what the hell is that?"

This thread not about discussing the title of miss canada, so your question is totally bullshit, that is all

[Spendulus]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

i dont think your question made any sense

I think it does.

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

So you probably should deal with someone asking "what the hell is that?"

This thread not about discussing the title of miss canada, so your question is totally bullshit, that is all

Okay, I understand your attitude.  But what I'm pointing out is that this woman has no standing to lecture me or you about a problem with human rights in China.  She is no expert, just someone voted into a dubious title with marginal public distinction.  So your using her as an authority on Falong is total bullshit.

Look, I'm opposed to harsh measures by the Chinese government, but I do agree with them on their analysis of Falong as being an evil cult.  (Just to clarify.)

[msc_de]

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH8dEwLn0Js

CECC Testimony and Q&A - Miss World Canada 2015

Well, I don't even think she's cute.  About average.

So why is she "Miss World Canada?"

What the hell is "Miss World Canada," anyway?

i dont think your question made any sense

I think it does.

For some reason you are posting stuff from a "Miss World Canada."

So you probably should deal with someone asking "what the hell is that?"

This thread not about discussing the title of miss canada, so your question is totally bullshit, that is all

Okay, I understand your attitude.  But what I'm pointing out is that this woman has no standing to lecture me or you about a problem with human rights in China.  She is no expert, just someone voted into a dubious title with marginal public distinction.  So your using her as an authority on Falong is total bullshit.

Look, I'm opposed to harsh measures by the Chinese government, but I do agree with them on their analysis of Falong as being an evil cult.  (Just to clarify.)

 I am so sorry but  i have to say you are wrong again.

because when i upload this thread in the forum , i even did not know she is a Falungong member.

I just feel that is totally ridiculous for china government refuse to issue visa to Miss Cananda

you eat bullshit as meal or not is your business, i have no interest.

evil cult of Falungong? ridiculous again!! china government itself is biggest evil cult in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BADecker]

Look! You are a threat. You are a threat to all of us, because you are brave and bold, and we are cowards... and that embarrasses the heck out of us. It makes us angry. And we talk a lot when we are angry, because talk makes us feel good. But we are too chicken to get out there and DO something brave.

The threat exists in the fact that we might overdo it and get hurt, without realizing what we are getting ourselves into... because we are cowards! You ARE a threat.





Easy Rider (4/8) Movie CLIP - You Represent Freedom (1969) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gu2ouJNmXc

[Spendulus]

 I am so sorry but  i have to say you are wrong again.

because when i upload this thread in the forum , i even did not know she is a Falungong member.

I just feel that is totally ridiculous for china government refuse to issue visa to Miss Cananda

you eat bullshit as meal or not is your business, i have no interest.

evil cult of Falungong? ridiculous again!! china government itself is biggest evil cult in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you been to mainland china?  Do you speak Mandarin?  Have you talked with people in Falong?

And it's not Miss Canada, it's Miss "World Canada."

By the way, no need for insults.  Not that they help your argument...

[msc_de]

 I am so sorry but  i have to say you are wrong again.

because when i upload this thread in the forum , i even did not know she is a Falungong member.

I just feel that is totally ridiculous for china government refuse to issue visa to Miss Cananda

you eat bullshit as meal or not is your business, i have no interest.

evil cult of Falungong? ridiculous again!! china government itself is biggest evil cult in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you been to mainland china?  Do you speak Mandarin?  Have you talked with people in Falong?

And it's not Miss Canada, it's Miss "World Canada."

By the way, no need for insults.  Not that they help your argument...

Q1: yes
Q2: yes
Q3: yes


nothing insult, the word bullshit is so weak !!!

 by the way it is not Falong, it should be Fa Lun Gong

[Spendulus]

 I am so sorry but  i have to say you are wrong again.

because when i upload this thread in the forum , i even did not know she is a Falungong member.

I just feel that is totally ridiculous for china government refuse to issue visa to Miss Cananda

you eat bullshit as meal or not is your business, i have no interest.

evil cult of Falungong? ridiculous again!! china government itself is biggest evil cult in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you been to mainland china?  Do you speak Mandarin?  Have you talked with people in Falong?

And it's not Miss Canada, it's Miss "World Canada."

By the way, no need for insults.  Not that they help your argument...

Q1: yes
Q2: yes
Q3: yes


nothing insult, the word bullshit is so weak !!!

 by the way it is not Falong, it should be Fa Lun Gong

Okay, so why do you defend this cult?  What makes defending it important?  There are many wrong things in the world.

Have you ever had friends whose lives were ruined by a religious cult?  I have.

Nobody is defending the Chinese government, by the way.  If you know China and you know Mandarin, you know China has made tremendous progress since the first shipping container left it's docks in 1995.

[Vika NSFW]

religious cult?

msc_de have call this dirty racist organization as "Religion"?

[msc_de]

Let Anastasia Lin Into China to Represent Canada at Miss World 2015


https://www.change.org/p/chinese-leader-xi-jinping-let-anastasia-lin-into-china-to-represent-canada-at-miss-world-2015


We are petitioning you to ensure Miss World Canada Anastasia Lin is granted a visa to attend the Miss World Competition in Sanya China.

Your government has failed to issue her an invitation letter, effectively withholding the visa Ms. Lin needs to travel to China and thus barring her from attending the Miss World competition.

Ms. Lin is being discriminated against because she has spoken out about human rights abuses in China, including the persecution of Falun Gong, a meditation practice that has been persecuted in China since 1999.

Because of her efforts to bring attention to the plight of others, her father in China was even visited by security personnel in an attempt to intimidate him and compel him to silence his daughter's advocacy.

If China aspires to be a responsible member of the international community it should behave according to the standard of that community, including respecting basic freedoms and different viewpoints.

We, the undersigned, are petitioning you to make a step towards earning a respected place within the international community by ensuring Ms. Lin is able to attend the Miss World competition.

We ask you allow Ms. Lin to travel to China immediately and participate in the Miss World final on December 19, 2015. We also demand you abandon any attempts to intimidate her family members.

PETITIONSBRIEF AN:
Chinese Leader Xi Jinping
Allow Miss World Canada Anastasia Lin to Compete in Miss World Competition in China

[Spendulus]

religious cult?

msc_de have call this dirty racist organization as "Religion"?

Yea, it would be like calling dao "religion."  Also spelled in english "tao."  Maybe nobody or few know the word.  But that's the problem, Chinese have this stuff like Tao, Confucius , "way of life."  Not quite religion.

But I agree 100%, Falong is "evil cult", don't care if you slap "religious" on there or not.