Freedom is not free.

[spazzdla]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

Remeber.. there is a cost for freedom.  This man prevented the pillaging of his lands due to guns.

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[BADecker]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

Remeber.. there is a cost for freedom.  This man prevented the pillaging of his lands due to guns.

And one of the least free people in America is Obama. He has given up virtually all his freedom so that he can spend the time taking ours away.

[n3o111]

Nobody say freedom is free. Nothing is free in this world. You can't even live primitive if you want. Government come and block you.

"People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy told ABC News.
LOL. Then why they still use government? Show your civil disobedience, right now!

[BADecker]

Nobody say freedom is free. Nothing is free in this world. You can't even live primitive if you want. Government come and block you.

"People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy told ABC News.
LOL. Then why they still use government? Show your civil disobedience, right now!

The best things in life are free. For example. If you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't sew it back on, where could you get another arm?

Sure, you could pay a fortune for a prosthetic arm. It would help you in life more than not having any arm at all. If you were a billionaire, you might be able to buy one of the new, bionic arms. But it would cost you a lot. And even this arm would never be the same as the original.

How much did it cost you for your two original arms? Nothing. You got them free. But your replacements wouldn't be as good, and, they wouldn't be free.

Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.

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Keep the politicians in government. Put the rest of the crooks there, as well. This way they are out of your hair. You can go about life in freedom while those jokers fight with each other in government. You have freedom, but they don't.

[vero]

In any case, while I agree that, "Freedom isn't free", this doesn't mean that I believe that the sacrifice should be made in foreign wars with regard to violation of some international policy or perceived threat. But people in support of these endeavors consistently use that line. I've yet to see how my freedom was protected in any way by going to war since WW2.

[BADecker]

In any case, while I agree that, "Freedom isn't free", this doesn't mean that I believe that the sacrifice should be made in foreign wars with regard to violation of some international policy or perceived threat. But people in support of these endeavors consistently use that line. I've yet to see how my freedom was protected in any way by going to war since WW2.

Why the WW2 limit? Hitler and his Axis might have caused as many as 25 million deaths. The Japs caused more. But they are almost like a walk on the beach compared with the number of innocent deaths Stalin caused. And who did America side with? Stalin.

However, that isn't the big thing. If Hitler had won WW2, he might have put the banking system down to such an extent that there would have been no more wars like the ones following WW2. It's the banking system that Hitler was against. If he had won WW2, he would have never held it. There simply weren't enough Germans and Japs to take down the world. But, we might have had peace.

Basically, the untold millions of deaths by democide that were not caused by Hitler or the Japs in the 20th century, were caused by, or at least helped by, the banks.

As it is, America and the Jews are way worse than Hitler almost could have thought about being. They simply did it in a different way, behind the scenes, as they are doing around the world today.

[Gothorum]

Nothing is free in this world, and less freedom. For some are free, first world countries for example, others must be submitted by tyrants.

[BADecker]

Nothing is free in this world, and less freedom. For some are free, first world countries for example, others must be submitted by tyrants.

What? You didn't read my post above? Here it is again:

The best things in life are free. For example. If you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't sew it back on, where could you get another arm?

Sure, you could pay a fortune for a prosthetic arm. It would help you in life more than not having any arm at all. If you were a billionaire, you might be able to buy one of the new, bionic arms. But it would cost you a lot. And even this arm would never be the same as the original.

How much did it cost you for your two original arms? Nothing. You got them free. But your replacements wouldn't be as good, and, they wouldn't be free.

Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.

[croato]

Nothing is free in this world, and less freedom. For some are free, first world countries for example, others must be submitted by tyrants.

What? You didn't read my post above? Here it is again:

The best things in life are free. For example. If you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't sew it back on, where could you get another arm?

Sure, you could pay a fortune for a prosthetic arm. It would help you in life more than not having any arm at all. If you were a billionaire, you might be able to buy one of the new, bionic arms. But it would cost you a lot. And even this arm would never be the same as the original.

How much did it cost you for your two original arms? Nothing. You got them free. But your replacements wouldn't be as good, and, they wouldn't be free.

Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.

Well, i agree with statement that nothing is free in this world mate. Your parents got to feed you and have lot of expenses so you can grow arms and legs lol. Even if you are living in wilderness, all that cost work if not money. Trust me, nothing is free in this world, all free things are fairy tales.

[BADecker]

Nothing is free in this world, and less freedom. For some are free, first world countries for example, others must be submitted by tyrants.

What? You didn't read my post above? Here it is again:

The best things in life are free. For example. If you lost an arm in a car accident, and the doctors couldn't sew it back on, where could you get another arm?

Sure, you could pay a fortune for a prosthetic arm. It would help you in life more than not having any arm at all. If you were a billionaire, you might be able to buy one of the new, bionic arms. But it would cost you a lot. And even this arm would never be the same as the original.

How much did it cost you for your two original arms? Nothing. You got them free. But your replacements wouldn't be as good, and, they wouldn't be free.

Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.

Well, i agree with statement that nothing is free in this world mate. Your parents got to feed you and have lot of expenses so you can grow arms and legs lol. Even if you are living in wilderness, all that cost work if not money. Trust me, nothing is free in this world, all free things are fairy tales.

Of course, if you hate your job, it might seem to be slavery rather than freedom. But loving to work, and being able to do it, is a joy on top of the freedom.

[nichu]

Squeeze every ouch ,thats what it is in this situation.

but u cant generalize this as a whole. it depends upon perception

[BADecker]

Squeeze every ouch ,thats what it is in this situation.

but u cant generalize this as a whole. it depends upon perception

Another word for squeezing every ouch is "massage."

[BTCBinary]

Everyday Humans loose their freedom. Today, the most important fight that free people have to deal with is with governments trying to sneak up on their lives. This cvan't be happening and we must fight to have our privacy rights, that our fathers have fought do much to get.

Fuck Fascism and Fascist disguised pseudoi demoratic disguised governments.

[BADecker]

Everyday Humans loose their freedom. Today, the most important fight that free people have to deal with is with governments trying to sneak up on their lives. This cvan't be happening and we must fight to have our privacy rights, that our fathers have fought do much to get.

Fuck Fascism and Fascist disguised pseudoi demoratic disguised governments.

The most important fight is the fight against the devil. Why? Because even if government loses, and freedom abounds, people die and go to Hell if the devil wins. Hell lasts forever. Hell slavery lasts forever.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
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The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

[BADecker]

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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
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The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

Nature is from God.

You are talking about Heaven freedom vs. Hell slavery, right?

[mtnsaa]

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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
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The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

While I don't consider myself religious I do understand what you are saying. However first we must survive this life and Jesus, Buddha or whatever entity you have faith on won't help you on your darkest moments. I do understand the belief that this life is just means to an end, and not the end itself. The problem is surviving this path, it's not easy. Living in a prison cell is not easy even if you have faith, living in poverty without your basic needs covered and not prospects for the future isn't easy. Same goes for psychological problems, health issues, family, etc.

Also freedom is a complete illusion, you are not free because you are not a single entity, you belong to a system you like it or not. Nature is also a system and if you live by yourself in the forest you'll be also bound to its laws. We did that for centuries and it just doesn't work. Humans aim and long for comfort (provided by all kinds of technology) and prosperity.

[BADecker]

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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
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The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

While I don't consider myself religious I do understand what you are saying. However first we must survive this life and Jesus, Buddha or whatever entity you have faith on won't help you on your darkest moments. I do understand the belief that this life is just means to an end, and not the end itself. The problem is surviving this path, it's not easy. Living in a prison cell is not easy even if you have faith, living in poverty without your basic needs covered and not prospects for the future isn't easy. Same goes for psychological problems, health issues, family, etc.

Also freedom is a complete illusion, you are not free because you are not a single entity, you belong to a system you like it or not. Nature is also a system and if you live by yourself in the forest you'll be also bound to its laws. We did that for centuries and it just doesn't work. Humans aim and long for comfort (provided by all kinds of technology) and prosperity.

Jesus God is the way to eternal life... as opposed to eternal death.

Freedom is to follow the natural laws so well that you fit right in.

[chichidori]

When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.

[BADecker]

When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.

Considering some of the opposition, Trump just might be the best President money can buy.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
...

The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

While I don't consider myself religious I do understand what you are saying. However first we must survive this life and Jesus, Buddha or whatever entity you have faith on won't help you on your darkest moments. I do understand the belief that this life is just means to an end, and not the end itself. The problem is surviving this path, it's not easy. Living in a prison cell is not easy even if you have faith, living in poverty without your basic needs covered and not prospects for the future isn't easy. Same goes for psychological problems, health issues, family, etc.

Also freedom is a complete illusion, you are not free because you are not a single entity, you belong to a system you like it or not. Nature is also a system and if you live by yourself in the forest you'll be also bound to its laws. We did that for centuries and it just doesn't work. Humans aim and long for comfort (provided by all kinds of technology) and prosperity.

Freedom can only be seen as an illusion to people who don't have it. Sorry. I feel/am perfectly free through Jesus.

[Daniel91]

Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.

[BADecker]

Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.

If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

[jasonjm]

the saying freedom is not free makes zero sense.

by definition if there a cost to it, some part of it that impairs a cost on society that you are obligated to make, it is no longer freedom.

change the saying to democracy is not free, or something similar.

[BADecker]

I think OP means freedom in the sense that people generally use it with regard to America being a free country. Or, people offer a free something-or-other in business.

Imagine that you buy a jar of peanut butter, and it says on the jar that you get a second jar free with the purchase of a first jar. You still have to go through the process of buying the first jar. So, the second is not quite free.

You might say that you are free to go anywhere in the country you want. But you aren't, because some places in the mountains are not accessible, no matter how hard you work to get there.

Freedom, the way we use the word in everyday life, always has some strings attached.

[nichu]

When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.

thats a good one  money can control even USA

[Daniel91]

Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.

If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

Interesting ideas BADecker but this is more ''Old testament'' way like eye for eye, life for life etc.
Jesus bring us ''New testament'' and teach us to love our enemies and forgive.
Who is ideal person in our society, without any sin, who can judge fairly others and even execute them?
Do you trust anyone?
You see, this is real problem.
We don't live in ideal world and everybody are corrupted, abusing our rights and freedom.

[bryant.coleman]

When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.

thats a good one  money can control even USA

At present , the American government is indirectly being controlled by big corporations, such as Boeing, Chevron, Texaco.etc. Now the government under Trump will be somewhat different. Because he himself is a corporation. 

[BADecker]

Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.

If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

Interesting ideas BADecker but this is more ''Old testament'' way like eye for eye, life for life etc.
Jesus bring us ''New testament'' and teach us to love our enemies and forgive.
Who is ideal person in our society, without any sin, who can judge fairly others and even execute them?
Do you trust anyone?
You see, this is real problem.
We don't live in ideal world and everybody are corrupted, abusing our rights and freedom.

Not once did I say for you or I as people to go out and exact eye for eye. The thing that I am talking about is the way government should handle it.

You don't have to judge people according to some goofy judgment that you might have. You judge people according to what they do. If they negligently harm or damage, make them pay. If it is truly an accident without any negligence, the insurance covers. If you are the one harmed or damaged, you can show mercy; just remember, if you show mercy, you might be setting a killer free on the roads to kill again, so to speak. If that is the case, you share in the guilt for the harm or damage he does next time.

The brief ideas I set forth are just that. Perhaps it is a good idea to make the third instance the instance that eye for eye works with. It will take more than some talk in a forum to work the whole thing out in a just and fair way.