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December 04, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
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Isn't life Ironic? The things that people can make or build cost a lot of money. But the BEST things, the things you got from nature, the things people don't have the ability to make, cost you nothing.
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The things you got from God, right? Freedom is free in Jesus. A strong relationship with Him, and even in a prison cell you can feel free, because this life is like a dream, and someday you will wake up and it will be over, and eternity will begin.

While I don't consider myself religious I do understand what you are saying. However first we must survive this life and Jesus, Buddha or whatever entity you have faith on won't help you on your darkest moments. I do understand the belief that this life is just means to an end, and not the end itself. The problem is surviving this path, it's not easy. Living in a prison cell is not easy even if you have faith, living in poverty without your basic needs covered and not prospects for the future isn't easy. Same goes for psychological problems, health issues, family, etc.

Also freedom is a complete illusion, you are not free because you are not a single entity, you belong to a system you like it or not. Nature is also a system and if you live by yourself in the forest you'll be also bound to its laws. We did that for centuries and it just doesn't work. Humans aim and long for comfort (provided by all kinds of technology) and prosperity.

Freedom can only be seen as an illusion to people who don't have it. Sorry. I feel/am perfectly free through Jesus.

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December 04, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
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Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.


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December 04, 2015, 10:50:10 PM
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Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.



If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

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December 05, 2015, 02:31:01 AM
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the saying freedom is not free makes zero sense.

by definition if there a cost to it, some part of it that impairs a cost on society that you are obligated to make, it is no longer freedom.

change the saying to democracy is not free, or something similar.


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December 05, 2015, 03:35:31 AM
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I think OP means freedom in the sense that people generally use it with regard to America being a free country. Or, people offer a free something-or-other in business.

Imagine that you buy a jar of peanut butter, and it says on the jar that you get a second jar free with the purchase of a first jar. You still have to go through the process of buying the first jar. So, the second is not quite free.

You might say that you are free to go anywhere in the country you want. But you aren't, because some places in the mountains are not accessible, no matter how hard you work to get there.

Freedom, the way we use the word in everyday life, always has some strings attached.

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December 05, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
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When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.

thats a good one  Grin Grin money can control even USA Grin
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December 05, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
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Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.



If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

Smiley

Interesting ideas BADecker but this is more ''Old testament'' way like eye for eye, life for life etc.
Jesus bring us ''New testament'' and teach us to love our enemies and forgive.
Who is ideal person in our society, without any sin, who can judge fairly others and even execute them?
Do you trust anyone?
You see, this is real problem.
We don't live in ideal world and everybody are corrupted, abusing our rights and freedom.


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December 05, 2015, 01:07:53 PM
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When trump become the president freedom will be paid in monthly basis.
thats a good one  Grin Grin money can control even USA Grin

At present , the American government is indirectly being controlled by big corporations, such as Boeing, Chevron, Texaco.etc. Now the government under Trump will be somewhat different. Because he himself is a corporation.  Grin

                               
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December 05, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
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Freedom always comes with responsibility.
Without responsibility there is no true freedom.
For example you are free to drive your car very fast but because of this you can kill or hurt someone else or you can be hurt.
So, if responsibility don't follow freedom, bad things happen.



If people were punished according to damages done by their misuse of freedom, we wouldn't have government problems.

If a person were to drive his car very fast, and he killed someone, he should be executed. If this happened every time, nobody would drive their car too fast.

In addition, police and government make money off people who have done no harm or damage. They make up some laws, and then try to get people to obey the laws. When people don't obey the laws, they fine the people for doing no harm to anyone.

Let the people be free in everything. Make laws to be advisory in nature - no tickets for speeding. But if you do harm or damage by speeding, the same harm or damage is done to you. In addition, you need to pay the other people for the harm or damage you did, at least twice, but maybe 4 times.

Keep the insurance so that the harmed people get their payment. But make the bad guy pay the insurance company back.

This would make things right, and get rid of police brutality.

Smiley

Interesting ideas BADecker but this is more ''Old testament'' way like eye for eye, life for life etc.
Jesus bring us ''New testament'' and teach us to love our enemies and forgive.
Who is ideal person in our society, without any sin, who can judge fairly others and even execute them?
Do you trust anyone?
You see, this is real problem.
We don't live in ideal world and everybody are corrupted, abusing our rights and freedom.



Not once did I say for you or I as people to go out and exact eye for eye. The thing that I am talking about is the way government should handle it.

You don't have to judge people according to some goofy judgment that you might have. You judge people according to what they do. If they negligently harm or damage, make them pay. If it is truly an accident without any negligence, the insurance covers. If you are the one harmed or damaged, you can show mercy; just remember, if you show mercy, you might be setting a killer free on the roads to kill again, so to speak. If that is the case, you share in the guilt for the harm or damage he does next time.

The brief ideas I set forth are just that. Perhaps it is a good idea to make the third instance the instance that eye for eye works with. It will take more than some talk in a forum to work the whole thing out in a just and fair way.

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