reason why sig-campaigns are not banned?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I have to say, I feel like a total fucking whore participating in a sig campaign.   I railed against them for a long time,  but the fact is that I'm broke.  And I don't think I'm a huge shitposter.  And my English is good. And I can rationalize anything.   

[ranochigo]

Shitty posters that repeatedly make 2-3 word posts get banned whether they're in a signature campaign or not. The mods do their job well, OP you don't really need to concern yourself with it.

To be honest most signature campaign managers boot low quality posters off their campaign any way.

Some campaign managers just don't care about the quality. I had seen a lot of spammers with automated campaign signatures that spams continuously, especially with no section restriction. That is till mexxer-2 started compiling the spammer list, it did reduce.

Bwahaha, I find it pretty ironic that everyone except the OP here has a paid sig(Blazed's doesn't matter though, as he gets paid 0.5 BTC per month, regardless of posts made)

Some one not wearing a paid signature doesn't mean he or she is not participating in a signature campaign. These people have mostly alt accounts enrolled in signature campaigns  

I think the point he's trying to make is that nearly everyone on this topic is trying to make posts to get paid since posts in this section is mostly counted.

[yahoo62278]

I dont see why all the pressure should be thrown onto the campaign managers. Why not let the moderators take some responsibility as well? You guys are PAID to moderate the forum correct? How about going through the gambling section and deleting the 100 threads on which poker site is the best? Or maybe create a new section for the 100s of sports handicappers? And many many many other repeat threads.

This isnt really a personal attack on anyone but its pretty shitty to say campaign managers dont do their jobs. If you guys paid attention to the MagicalDice campaign and the spreadsheet youd see that i had to read 1200-2000+ posts a week. And i denied payment for 200+ posts every single week. As well as kicking users out of the campaign when they A didnt meet min posts counts for 2 weeks straight B Acted like yobit posters C were found to have multiple accts enrolled, and other reasons.

I also think it should be a common practice for managersto look into recent post quality before accepting users into a campaign, but that dont happen by all managers. You can look at recent posts and if you see large gaps in the posting history its fairly safe to assume the account is someones shill or a sold account. I dont allow those users in campaigns myself, maybe others do

Now i also realize that its probably not a personal attack on myself and other managers or campaigns without managers are the campaigns in question here, but i think if mods and managers worked together we could do alot more for the forum as a team vs placing the emphasis on managers alone. Wouldnt that be an easier solution?

[Heutenamos]

Most campaign's are not so problematic ,I would say the campaigns should pay for post quality and not for forum Rank's.

If a guy is posting shit while carrying a legendary rank then he should not get paid 0.0015~ per post and on the other hand if a newbie is posting excellent quality posts then he deserves to get paid 0.0015~ per post.
the campaign's are paying for their promotion and i don't find a reason why they exclude certain sections (games and rounds) of the forum ? is it just to stop people from reaching the upper limit ? or what, either ways not so good effort to stop spam.

The pay should range between 0.0004~ for the worst or shit post and 0.0025 for an excellent & contributing post no matter who makes it .
In this way each and every guy on campaign will at least try to post high quality and reach the maximum pay for his post's made and not maximum post count, which will stop spam eventually.

Bwahaha, I find it pretty ironic that everyone except the OP here has a paid sig(Blazed's doesn't matter though, as he gets paid 0.5 BTC per month, regardless of posts made)

Some one not wearing a paid signature doesn't mean he or she is not participating in a signature campaign. These people have mostly alt accounts enrolled in signature campaigns  

you are hitting it hard and to the point...

[subSTRATA]

Most campaign's are not so problematic ,I would say the campaigns should pay for post quality and not for forum Rank's.

If a guy is posting shit while carrying a legendary rank then he should not get paid 0.0015~ per post and on the other hand if a newbie is posting excellent quality posts then he deserves to get paid 0.0015~ per post.
the campaign's are paying for their promotion and i don't find a reason why they exclude certain sections (games and rounds) of the forum ? is it just to stop people from reaching the upper limit ? or what, either ways not so good effort to stop spam.

The pay should range between 0.0004~ for the worst or shit post and 0.0025 for an excellent & contributing post no matter who makes it .
In this way each and every guy on campaign will at least try to post high quality and reach the maximum pay for his post's made and not maximum post count, which will stop spam eventually.

you do see that this opens up the possibility for an unbelievable number of new accounts being created to just farm campaigns that right? doesnt really take a genius to figure that one out. really flawed thinking here, people will only make 'constructive' posts because they can technically spam an unlimited number of them by just creating endless new accounts. it would be creating a whole new problem altogether.

[Heutenamos]

Most campaign's are not so problematic ,I would say the campaigns should pay for post quality and not for forum Rank's.

If a guy is posting shit while carrying a legendary rank then he should not get paid 0.0015~ per post and on the other hand if a newbie is posting excellent quality posts then he deserves to get paid 0.0015~ per post.
the campaign's are paying for their promotion and i don't find a reason why they exclude certain sections (games and rounds) of the forum ? is it just to stop people from reaching the upper limit ? or what, either ways not so good effort to stop spam.

The pay should range between 0.0004~ for the worst or shit post and 0.0025 for an excellent & contributing post no matter who makes it .
In this way each and every guy on campaign will at least try to post high quality and reach the maximum pay for his post's made and not maximum post count, which will stop spam eventually.

you do see that this opens up the possibility for an unbelievable number of new accounts being created to just farm campaigns that right? doesnt really take a genius to figure that one out. really flawed thinking here, people will only make 'constructive' posts because they can technically spam an unlimited number of them by just creating endless new accounts. it would be creating a whole new problem altogether.

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

[mexxer-2]

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

[subSTRATA]

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Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

not necessarily, ive seen people on fortunejack and coinroyale (and others) spam pages and pages of half line posts that say 'i agree yes put comment here' or 'thanks you for this things i wills appreciate it never' and stuff like that. the usual stuff you know.

[Heutenamos]

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

well No, you can say that fixed campaign posters are better than pay per posts one's ,but you can see many people making 90% of the posts on the last day of the week.

also , this is a waste of money for the campaign owner's if they don't know why they are giving money to people who dont have the ability to think and make a logical /helpful or a wanting post. I am personally not a racist and i wouldn't care if it is broken english or broken japanese but it should have content in it . If you are posting the same thing again and again with the best possible english at present time ,It is still spam or posted to make some buck's.

[ranochigo]

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

Unlikely so. It is easy and profitable for fixed campaign participants to use multi accounts and spam the forum while enjoying the high payout, especially if many people are participating. Fixed campaigns would attract multi accounting if the policies are not strict enough, the campaign I was previously in had very strict criterias during selection and there is next to no spam coming from that campaign.

[mexxer-2]

but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

By which I meant, its better than the spam pay-per post campaign participants collectively post.
And I've only seen participants posting spam in Local boards and sometimes in the English boards, but from my experience*, fixed campaigns don't attract most of the spammers, as they can easily earn more than that in a pay-per post campaign.
*While managing E-coin campaign, didn't see anyone making any unconstructive posts, well except nickaizoku, but only 1/3rds of his posts were counted.

[hilariousandco]

I dont see why all the pressure should be thrown onto the campaign managers. Why not let the moderators take some responsibility as well? You guys are PAID to moderate the forum correct? .

Because it's their job and Campaign Managers also get PAID to run campaigns. I don't know if you've noticed all the shitposts across the forum but that's because of lazy campaign managers paying people to shit all over it. The other option is to just ban signature campaigns.... or maybe Campaign Managers should just do their job in the first place. And we are taking responsibility and dealing with it but mods and admins have better things to do than banning hundreds of people a week just because they're posting shit all over and getting paid for it. If they didn't get paid for it in the first place then they wouldn't do it so confront the issue at source and there won't be all the spam everywhere that everyone has to deal with seeing. At the moment it's like trying to save a sinking ship by bucketing water out of it as it does nothing noticable because there's still gallons of other shit flowing in every direction and if nothing changes on the campaign side then it's only going to continue and the ship is going to keep on sinking until we plug the holes. The holes can either be plugged by campaign managers actually doing what they're supposed to do (preferable) or campaigns being banned alltogether (not preferable but that's the ultimate option if nothing changes).

Now i also realize that its probably not a personal attack on myself and other managers or campaigns without managers are the campaigns in question here, but i think if mods and managers worked together we could do alot more for the forum as a team vs placing the emphasis on managers alone. Wouldnt that be an easier solution?

Most campaign managers aren't doing anything whilst mods are left to clean up, so it is down to them. Mods are working hard on the issue but don't you think instead of me spending hours copying and pasting hundreds of usernames and then having to wait for BadBear to go through them all to check them and in the meantime there's a hundred more users spamming away it would be better if they just wern't making the posts at all? If shitposters didn't get paid to shitpost then there wouldn't be 90% of the spam that's here, but at the moment you can get paid for posting one word replies in off topic and we're left to deal with it when they shouldn't even be making those posts in the first place and it's all because of lazy campaign managers so they're the ones that need to change their ways and do their job.

[Amph]

topic, thanks for answering.

- we want the flow of bitcoin , we want more and more people to try bitcoin , more new people means the better future for bitcoin , Many people here are not buying bitcoins but want to try it we this forum provides a mechanism to them to get some fractions so that they can try it for free and believe that yes bitcoin is NextGen .
-Sites are Advertising here and paying to their advertisers for advertising them , This forum is getting Traffic of unique IPs , and we want all this as we are bitcoin enthusiast.

all fine with me except the stuff with spamming bullshit for 1-10 cent per spam post.

there are a lot more possibilities to aquire btc without fiat then a sig-campaign.

pretty sure most of the ppl doin this are kids or have no jobs and are sitting the whole day at home.

it's more like 30 cents per post, as long as they increase the discussion they are fine, if they are simply off-topic or reiterating then action should be taken, funny thing is that i've spotted some trollers and spammer that do not carry signature, but no one talk about those users ever...

I believe this forum will lose maybe half of their  members if signature campaign will be banned here.

you're generous, i think it's more about 70% -80%

I doubt it, when did this forum reach maximum of people online, in 2013. There were no signature campaigns back there. If people come here just to join a signature campaign I'm fine with them leaving the forum but I'm pretty sure that 90% of people who joined sig campaigns were already participating in the forum without one.

i can say why, because i was here in 2013, the reason why signature campaign were not popular back then it's simple, it was because altcoin were more popular and more rewarding, iw as making much more in the altcoin section than i can ever dream about with signature

[XinXan]

I don't know what you get from my last post but let me explain you once more.

If people create new accounts and post shit they dont get PAID . SIMple

my point was people are posting shit because they have a goal of 100 posts a week and they try to reach that no matter what they post.
Now I am not saying anything about the limits here

But now as the criteria is high quality post = high pay  and not more post = more pay , so now they try to post quality cause it forces them to ,
Think of a HERO guy getting 0.00025 per post ,he will be left with no choice than to improve the quality of his posts to get paid HIGH .

Well, isn't that what fixed campaigns are for? Well the post quality doesn't have to be great but I'd say fixed campaign participants have by far the best post quality.

well No, you can say that fixed campaign posters are better than pay per posts one's ,but you can see many people making 90% of the posts on the last day of the week.

also , this is a waste of money for the campaign owner's if they don't know why they are giving money to people who dont have the ability to think and make a logical /helpful or a wanting post. I am personally not a racist and i wouldn't care if it is broken english or broken japanese but it should have content in it . If you are posting the same thing again and again with the best possible english at present time ,It is still spam or posted to make some buck's.

The only problem with your idea is that campaigns pay more to higher rank simply because your signature can have more things, background, links, etc etc. They just simply have to take care of their participants, if they post shit kick them out, problem solved.

[Mickeyb]

I believe this forum will lose maybe half of their  members if signature campaign will be banned here.

At least half! And yes I agree that half of the signature campaigners are here just for the reward and spamming but there are also many of the quality signature campaigners. I wouldn't put them all in the same basket.

I do think though that it would be a huge mistake to ban signature campaigns. This is an economy now, even this forum with the Bitcoin companies and advertising and its users it's a part of the Bitcoin economy. All of this has to live somehow and just like in the real world, there is a lot of advertising spam but this is unavoidable in my opinion, nothing we can and we should do.

[gkv9]

I believe this forum will lose maybe half of their  members if signature campaign will be banned here.

You are talking less as compared to the number of members who are actually involved in signature campaigns...
There are many people who are making a living with the help of these signature campaigns...

[erikalui]

If I count the number of such threads, the count has reached almost 20-25. If scammers aren't banned, abusers aren't banned, people selling illegal goods aren't banned, why should signature campaigns be banned? The forum does earn traffic from these campaigns and if at any time they do get banned, almost 50-60% members would leave this place.

Bwahaha, I find it pretty ironic that everyone except the OP here has a paid sig(Blazed's doesn't matter though, as he gets paid 0.5 BTC per month, regardless of posts made)

The reason being obvious that this forum is popular due to the campaigns. Else there are forums who have strict rules and most spammers and scammers avoid those places. (Your signature is interesting lol).

[Fwdxlsh]

I think they should be banned in off topic.

[Wapinter]

topic, thanks for answering.


post with sig-campaigns are often really bad - although usually they are still just barely on topic so they dont get deleted.

It is stupid on anyone's part to say that signature has anything to do with quality of post.Quality of post in independent of whether a poster wearing a signature or not.I am not counting myself,but their are numerous knowledgeable members on this forum who contribute greatly with their posts,whats wrong if they get paid in Bitcoin for their postings?

[Kakmakr]

I have to say it is a great way to introduce new people to micro payments from all over the world. I regularly interact with people on other platforms and at some point the <Bitcoin> topic gets discussed. I use this forum as a example of how micro tasks can be awarded and they are normally blown out of the water, when they grasp this concept. I have seen some of these people joining and also participating in signature campaigns, which is great for adoption.

There will always be a few people who would misuse this opportunity, but they get dealt with very quickly. I post casually during the week and get rewarded for that, and over weekends I take a break and enjoy the fruit of my labor, by spending that bitcoins on my kids. < Buying a ice cream or paying for a movie >

Thanks for the opportunity to spoil my kids a little for the time I spend on here. ^hmf^