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[BitcoinINV]

Will not respond on the loan post, have received .50 btc of 6 loaned.
Details of the loan are here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112843.0

Scam post will be withdrawn if, communication is made with a payment plan that satisfies me.

All deals are to be made on the loan post so they will be public info.

[c4n10]

You have received 1.445 BTC of the 6 you loaned me.

I sent you:

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Status: 6673 confirmations
Date: 10/14/2012 12:51
To: BitcoinINV 1KPV7ziq8eNp74RPzgZa3PRPPrjSZpXtGY
Debit: -0.445 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.009 BTC
Net amount: -0.454 BTC
Transaction ID: 7a680002b76a66e3f4501f58373cfab18999de4e38d51b640a05f10df20c0a2e

and:

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Status: 838 confirmations
Date: 11/22/2012 14:01
To: BitcoinINV 1KPV7ziq8eNp74RPzgZa3PRPPrjSZpXtGY
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: a660fdd003e983861236ea31ca8c3aeb60065838efb2135443e7292964196020

And I have already been in contact with you explaining my situation and that I would continue paying you to the best of my ability.

This thread is completely unnecessary and I'm really disappointed that you're acting like you've received nothing and that I am ignoring you when I am doing my best to work with you.

[BitcoinINV]

This is business and nothing personal, be disappointed in yourself not me. I out of the faith and good will lent you coin assuming you would be able to pay it back. The disappointing part is ignored me on you own loan post for 6 days before I decided to put this up here.... It is your responsibility as the Lendee. The fact that you sent me coin is great and all but how the hell am I supposed to know when you send me coin unless you tell me? It sure as hell is not on the regular payment schedule. Work out how much can pay a week here and post it.
The best to work with me would be messaging me on here letting me know whats going on, not just responding to a scam thread. I should not have to hunt you down for payments owed, think the rest of the community would agree.

[c4n10]

This is business and nothing personal, be disappointed in yourself not me. I out of the faith and good will lent you coin assuming you would be able to pay it back. The disappointing part is ignored me on you own loan post for 6 days before I decided to put this up here.... It is your responsibility as the Lendee. The fact that you sent me coin is great and all but how the hell am I supposed to know when you send me coin unless you tell me? It sure as hell is not on the regular payment schedule. Work out how much can pay a week here and post it.
The best to work with me would be messaging me on here letting me know whats going on, not just responding to a scam thread. I should not have to hunt you down for payments owed, think the rest of the community would agree.

I've already explained to you a long time ago that I don't get notifications from that specific post for some reason or another. I just responded to you and told you I was sending you BTC on another thread a hell of a lot less than six days ago. See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124083.0

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Re: [PPC] PPCoin 0.2.2 Released
November 21, 2012, 01:35:03 AM
      #14
Quote from: BitcoinINV on November 21, 2012, 12:54:22 AM
Could I get my coin back dude? Or are you going to go around and act like it never happend?

You are going to get it back. I know I haven't sent you much but it's not like I haven't sent you anything.

I'm mining about 0.13 BTC per day and about another 0.02 BTC from alt-coin merged mining at bitparking. As you can see I am not making enough to pay you and Puppet back on the terms agreed upon, which I also understand is not your problem but it IS my problem and the only way I can deal with it is to send what I can, when I can. I have nearly 2 BTC in my wallet now and when I reach 2 BTC I will send you and Puppet both 1 BTC each and I will continue to pay what I can, when I can.

I have not been online in the past couple of weeks (check my post history if you don't believe me) due to a multitude of problems in my personal life and still searching for a job. I apologize for the inconvenience, but I will return what has been loaned to me in it's entirety plus interest to both you and Puppet. You have not been forgotten.

I'm not trying to avoid you, hide from you, duck you, or ditch payment, but at the moment I can't afford our original agreement of paying 1 BTC each to both you and puppet per week when I barely make 1 BTC per week. I can only do that which is within my power to do.

I am taking steps to find work and I am also taking steps to find more ways to earn more coin like my new website.

I'm sorry that you feel that I am a scammer, I am honestly not trying to be. You have received 1.445 BTC, I owe you 4.55 BTC more plus accumulated interest of .35 per week until the loan is paid off entirely.

As I said in my previous post, I will continue to pay both you and Puppet as much as I can, when I can until the loan is paid off - even if you're going to continue calling me a scammer when I'm doing the best that I can for you.

[c4n10]

Hmmm, it seems that it was actually a week ago I spoke to you BitcoinINV, I apologize. I really thought it was less than 6 days ago.

[c4n10]

Also, my math was incorrect, i still owe you 5.55 because the loan's repay terms are for 7 BTC, not 6 BTC. I will pay it and the interest I currently owe you plus the interest that will continue to accumulate until the debt is paid as per the terms of our contract. So technically, I have not defaulted, I am just behind on payment.

[BitcoinINV]

Also, my math was incorrect, i still owe you 5.55 because the loan's repay terms are for 7 BTC, not 6 BTC. I will pay it and the interest I currently owe you plus the interest that will continue to accumulate until the debt is paid as per the terms of our contract. So technically, I have not defaulted, I am just behind on payment.

What is your weekly estimated payment on what day figure it out and post it here.

[MPOE-PR]

This has been going well....

[Tomatocage]

While I don't think c4n10 set out to scam you, when it comes to personal responsibility, he's a spilled bucket of fuck.

[bce]

It seems to have been a stupid loan, because there is no way c4n10 could have realistically intended to repay the loan made by bitcoinINV.  Is there a special "I fell on some hard luck, and things are really bad " type of scammer tag?

Hang in there c4n10!  I'm sure things will get better...  We're all pulling for you to make good on your loans!  

[c4n10]

While I don't think c4n10 set out to scam you, when it comes to personal responsibility, he's a spilled bucket of fuck.

It seems to have been a stupid loan, because there is no way c4n10 could have realistically intended to repay the loan made by bitcoinINV.  Is there a special "I fell on some hard luck story, and things are really bad " type of scammer tag

hang in there c4n10!  I'm sure things will get better... We're all pulling for you, man!  

Call me a scammer if you want, if I was a scammer I would have just kept his BTC and never paid ANYTHING back, as it stands I'm doing the best I can to pay him and puppet back what I can, when I can which isn't much or very often when I'm down to mining 0.07 BTC per day since the block reward halving.

To be honest, calling me a scammer really doesn't bother me and pushes me further and further into thinking, "Why pay this loan back at all, my name is already being run through the mud, people are already treating me like a scammer, what's the difference?".

Luckily for BitcoinINV and puppet I am the type of person who does what is right because it is the right thing to do and I will continue to pay back my loan even though everyone here is going to be a fucking asshole about it. Precisely why I don't hang out here in the forums anymore, you're all a bunch of pretentious, self-righteous asses who are quick to jump on everyone else's mistakes and short-comings.

[c4n10]

What is your weekly estimated payment on what day figure it out and post it here.

I have given you and puppet EVERY bit cent I have earned since I started mining with the exception of MAYBE 1 BTC that I spent on advertising my radio website when I launched it. I have made ZERO profit from mining BTC and received nothing but bitching and scam accusations from you and multiple other members despite my best efforts to continue to make payments even though I can not afford the original terms of the loan.

So, being that my name has already been tarnished and everyone's just going to bitch and call me a scammer anyway, then I'm going to actually start keeping some of my BTC.

Here are the new terms of our loan agreement: I make 0.07 BTC per day right now. For every 3 BTC I make I will send 1 BTC to you, 1 BTC to puppet and I will keep 1 BTC for myself. When I have paid off the remaining balance of the original loan to you and puppet then I will begin paying off my late fees under the same terms (sending you and puppet 2 out of every 3 BTC I make) up to a limit of 5 BTC in late fees because I don't even mine enough weekly to keep up with the .1 BTC per day late fee.

My wallet is currently at 2.5159882 BTC so you can expect your first payment under the new terms in about a week, give or take a day. If you want to do the math from there to work out a pay table, feel free.

[CIYAM]

Although I don't normally pay much attention to "Scammer" threads I think I remember reading that "c4n10" has some skills in testing server security - so I could be willing to help him out with this situation if he wouldn't mind donating some time to some security testing for ciyam.org (the tricky part would be proving that the testing has actually been done - am open for suggestions about that).

[c4n10]

Although I don't normally pay much attention to "Scammer" threads I think I remember reading that "c4n10" has some skills in testing server security - so I could be willing to help him out with this situation if he wouldn't mind donating some time to some security testing for ciyam.org (the tricky part would be proving that the testing has actually been done - am open for suggestions about that).

I would have no problems with that and would be very grateful for the help.

As far as proving that the security testing has been done there are a few ways, you should have access to Apache access logs, SSH access logs and a log for connection attempts. If you would like to PM me your server's OS I can tell you where you should be able to find each of these and how to find my testing activity inside of those logs.

[CIYAM]

As far as proving that the security testing has been done there are a few ways, you should have access to Apache access logs, SSH access logs and a log for connection attempts. If you would like to PM me your server's OS I can tell you where you should be able to find each of these and how to find my testing activity inside of those logs.

PM sent.

[c4n10]

Sent 2 BTC each to BitcoinINV and puppet:

BitcoinINV - Transaction ID: 2f316fffdad5f248ebdfab870fb0a6b09d8443336eb20cbd4c666030f3286c44
puppet - Transaction ID: d653f20ad92993b841d6cc607867e2c09a2baa10e17bd0d10f3247635776586f

[c4n10]

Also, I'd like to thank CIYAM Pty. Ltd. for giving me some work to earn some BTC rather than just chiming in with the rest of the trolls to call me a scammer. Thank you kindly sir!

[Aahzman]

It seems to have been a stupid loan, because there is no way c4n10 could have realistically intended to repay the loan made by bitcoinINV.  Is there a special "I fell on some hard luck, and things are really bad " type of scammer tag?

Hang in there c4n10!  I'm sure things will get better...  We're all pulling for you to make good on your loans!   

Just as a suggestion, outside of Canada, don't most blood banks and sperm banks pay for donations?? American Red Cross pays what, $20 a pint now? i dunno, I'm Canadian, I give my blood away for free....

Leverage some of the independent/private blood banks, sell a pint or two a week (read up online how to do this safely, ie keeping fluid levels up and not risking your health), and use THAT money to convert to bitcoin for the purpose of repaying loans.

Just thinkin outside the box. :-) I wish i could sell blood/semen in Canada.

[c4n10]

Just as a suggestion, outside of Canada, don't most blood banks and sperm banks pay for donations?? American Red Cross pays what, $20 a pint now? i dunno, I'm Canadian, I give my blood away for free....

Leverage some of the independent/private blood banks, sell a pint or two a week (read up online how to do this safely, ie keeping fluid levels up and not risking your health), and use THAT money to convert to bitcoin for the purpose of repaying loans.

Just thinkin outside the box. :-) I wish i could sell blood/semen in Canada.

I have been donating blood for most of my life and they do not pay you for it. They will pay you for plasma but you can only go twice a week, they pay you $20 - $30 each visit and it takes 1.5 to 3 hours to do. That's a lot of time and gas investment for such a small payoff and that time (in my opinion) would be better used finding a job or working for people online.

Also, I'm not going to donate sperm and have a child/children coming to look for their real daddy in 18 years just so I can pay back a bitcoin loan...

[BitcoinINV]

Thank you for the payment.