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December 22, 2015, 08:49:32 AM
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I love it Philip, I like to mod everything I can as well.  I am working on a 2880 mod and should have something to show after Christmas.   Wink

Looking forward to seeing this.  Please share when you have the chance.

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December 22, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
Last edit: December 22, 2015, 12:44:25 PM by philipma1957
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I love it Philip, I like to mod everything I can as well.  I am working on a 2880 mod and should have something to show after Christmas.   Wink

Looking forward to seeing this.  Please share when you have the chance.

Thanks in advance...

need fan guards?

here is a good material
I have an older thread then the one above  can't find it but i used

this screen below

http://www.lemproducts.com/product/dehydrator-screen-material/jerky-food-dehydrators

works really well and since it is used in food dehydration heat and off gassing are not an issue.

I will look for some photos of it I used it for usb stick cooling


it is low cost 12 bucks for a 14 inch by 84 inch roll of it.

shipping = 6 bucks  18 dollars = 28x  120 mm fans   math could be wrong say 24
short proof will not rattle.  can take heat . won't off gas food grade material
we all know how fucking hot those sticks would get. The screens never melted








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December 29, 2015, 12:03:40 AM
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<BOOYAHHHHH!!!!!   Phillip's FAN Mount!  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Phillip was very generous to build me a custom stand / FAN mount for my Dual IBM 2K PSU when he heard I didn't have a mount for this bundle.  His mount is very simple but quite functional as I can turn it side ways so the fan can push the hot air up if I wanted to.  That's how I will do it once my new server Rack arrive.  He even throw in little touch like Pine scented cardboard box to help avoid USPS abuse, although I doubt they can damage this package.  =)  This mount does everything I need it to do.  Thanks Phillip!  Now let's hope Finksy / J4bberwock comes up with something similar for a commercially available bundle with the new 4K board as I need many more of these later.

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That white material is very sturdy works nice to mount the fans

Phillip was very generous to build me a custom stand / FAN mount for my Dual IBM 2K PSU when he heard I didn't have a mount for this bundle.  His mount is very simple but quite functional as I can turn it side ways so the fan can push the hot air up if I wanted to.  That's how I will do it once my new server Rack arrive.  He even throw in little touch like Pine scented cardboard box to help avoid USPS abuse, although I doubt they can damage this package.  =)  This mount does everything I need it to do.  Thanks Phillip!  Now let's hope Finksy / J4bberwock comes up with something similar for a commercially available bundle with the new 4K board as I need many more of these later.

I did not realize how good my system is as it allows the single mount plate 2x psu to work and the  better mount plate to work.



I posted the photos of it  before and after of it setup


some cardboard packing the base plate and the mount plate



the 2  psu's  are in the center  of 1 s-7 and 1 avalon 6
he has the two psu's facing in two directions and the 1 yellow wire you see is powering 1 psu
he does not have the newe r2x psu plate  so he has to have his psu's in opposite directions to manage wires



I unlocked the imgur photos

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December 29, 2015, 12:20:24 AM
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I love it Philip, I like to mod everything I can as well.  I am working on a 2880 mod and should have something to show after Christmas.   Wink

Looking forward to seeing this.  Please share when you have the chance.

Thanks in advance...

need fan guards?

here is a good material
I have an older thread then the one above  can't find it but i used

this screen below

http://www.lemproducts.com/product/dehydrator-screen-material/jerky-food-dehydrators

works really well and since it is used in food dehydration heat and off gassing are not an issue.

I will look for some photos of it I used it for usb stick cooling


it is low cost 12 bucks for a 14 inch by 84 inch roll of it.

shipping = 6 bucks  18 dollars = 28x  120 mm fans   math could be wrong say 24
short proof will not rattle.  can take heat . won't off gas food grade material
we all know how fucking hot those sticks would get. The screens never melted

https://i.imgur.com/LZJdVx8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uA7cN7D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ovEnVLd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XrtMVEX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yF2m0mh.jpg



Do you have a link for those nylon screws and nuts?

Thanks.

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December 29, 2015, 03:21:10 AM
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I love it Philip, I like to mod everything I can as well.  I am working on a 2880 mod and should have something to show after Christmas.   Wink

Looking forward to seeing this.  Please share when you have the chance.

Thanks in advance...

need fan guards?

here is a good material
I have an older thread then the one above  can't find it but i used

this screen below

http://www.lemproducts.com/product/dehydrator-screen-material/jerky-food-dehydrators

works really well and since it is used in food dehydration heat and off gassing are not an issue.

I will look for some photos of it I used it for usb stick cooling


it is low cost 12 bucks for a 14 inch by 84 inch roll of it.

shipping = 6 bucks  18 dollars = 28x  120 mm fans   math could be wrong say 24
short proof will not rattle.  can take heat . won't off gas food grade material
we all know how fucking hot those sticks would get. The screens never melted

https://i.imgur.com/LZJdVx8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uA7cN7D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ovEnVLd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XrtMVEX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yF2m0mh.jpg



Do you have a link for those nylon screws and nuts?

Thanks.

usa amazon.   but I have done a shit ton of nylon buys.  give me a few minutes to figure out  the right one.


hex nut link

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009EFSE32/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

washer link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009OLMPFE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s02

screw 30 mm and 42 mm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F3395M8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F33CEOY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

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December 30, 2015, 04:27:44 AM
Last edit: December 30, 2015, 04:57:57 AM by nhando
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New Rack arrived so I redid the PSU Mount to have the FAN at the bottom which means I no longer need the wood piece.  I also replaced the nylon screws with metal screws as it's easier and faster with the drill.  Pushing air up seems to be more efficient as hot air would rise anyway and I can always add 1 fan to do pulling later if I really want to but I don't think it's necessary with the flow going and a large box fan in the back for summer.

P.S I did use Electrical tape on the back of 1 of the Board as I didn't like how the metal could be touching each other.  The separate is less sturdy than a dual PSU attached board and can flex with so many cables pulling at it.

http://imgur.com/a/5OZmJ

Phillip please quote so the picture will show up.  I also used the TAPE you recommended to make the 2 PSU attach to each other, works like a charm. Thanks.  

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December 30, 2015, 04:42:32 AM
Last edit: December 30, 2015, 04:56:27 AM by philipma1957
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New Rack arrived so I redid the PSU Mount to have the FAN at the bottom which means I no longer need the wood piece.  I also replaced the nylon screws with metal screws as it's easier and faster with the drill.  Pushing air up seems to be more efficient as hot air would rise anyway and I can always add 1 fan to do pulling later if I really want to but I don't think it's necessary with the flow going and a large box fan in the back for summer.

P.S I did use Electrical tape on the back of 1 of the Board as I didn't like how the metal could be touching each other.  The separate is less sturdy than a dual PSU attached board and can flex with so many cables pulling at it.

http://imgur.com/a/5OZmJ

Phillip please quote so the picture will show up.  Thanks.  

working on it. and done.  So you took my idea for a mount and worked it into you new metal rack.

The rack acts as a base and a fan grill.

  the white board lies on a rack points up gives
better wire management  
the rack covers  fan blades that can not be seen here.



he moved a break out board so you can see the fans. pointed with wind up not down this is good since the coolest air in the room will be on the floor in most cases





in action mining  he is using the two psus to run 1 avalon and 1 s-7

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December 30, 2015, 04:54:47 AM
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PSU thread is up, only waiting on sideplates from machinist shortly after the New Year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1308296


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December 30, 2015, 04:57:38 AM
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PSU thread is up, only waiting on sideplates from machinist shortly after the New Year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1308296




 Nice  I will check it out in the morning as it is around midnight and I am a bit tired.

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December 30, 2015, 04:59:50 AM
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Very excited about the new FINKSY 4K board.  Need to check my PSU rev levels so I can see if I can should get it with the Voltmeter or not. 

Finksy- Is there any harm in getting the Voltmeter option and trying to change the Voltage?  Would it just do nothing or would it cause issues?  I can't find the rev version of my PSU so I don't know if it's the newer or older REV.  I have 4 more coming in next week, hopefully they will show the rev version.

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December 30, 2015, 09:42:08 AM
Last edit: December 30, 2015, 10:13:28 AM by dmwardjr
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I appreciate the thorough review of both the IBM 2880W and the IBM 2000W PSU's.  However, I think one more IBM PSU should be thrown into the mix once it was brought to my attention that it existed.  The PSU I'm referring to is the IBM 2980W.  However, it has it's plus and minus' as well.  It depends on your goals and what you want to accomplish over the long haul.  

CONS FOR THE IBM 2980:

#1) - A "used" IBM 2980 is going for approximately $150 with free shipping.  A used IBM 2880 can be purchased in a range from $50 to $85 with shipping included.
#2) - The IBM 2980 and 2880 with b/o boards will be louder than the setup with 2 x IBM 2000 BB's with b/o boards depending on the fans you have chosen and the rpm's of those fans.
#3) - You cannot "easily" increase or decrease the output voltage for some serious under clocking or over clocking like you can the 2 x IBM 2000 BB's with b/o boards and added voltage adjustment.
#4) - [For someone to add in case I forgot something]


PROS FOR THE IBM 2980:

#1) - The power efficiency is better than the 2880 and the 2000 BB w/o voltage adjustment which cost extra for the 2000 BB.  More on this subject provided below:
#2) - The better power efficiency saves money on monthly power bill
#3) - The better power efficiency allows for an extra S7 or A6 to be added for every 6 x 2980W's purchased.  If you are using a lot of them or have plans to, the extra rig for every 6 x PSU's is more money in your pocket.
#4) - The costs difference between the 2980 and the 2880 or 2000 can be recouped rather quickly [Depending on power costs; as shown below...].
#5) - Takes up less head space than the 2000's.  This may be a concern for those with lots of rigs on lots of racks going up vertically on multiple shelves.

So, for me, [with plans on 200+ rigs in the future] it is more beneficial to purchase the 2980's with b/o boards.  Noise is not an issue for me.  The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.  105 x S7's connected to all 2980 PSU's adds up to 10,500 more watts available for 8 more S7's to gain more revenue.  So, I would say it depends on your plans as to the way one should go.  My opinion is if you are concerned with noise, the 2000's with b/o boards is the way to go.  If you are concerned with power efficiency and the ability to increase revenue because of better power efficiency, the IBM 2980 is the way to go.  

Also, I have no numbers on the IBM 2000's.  Yes, one could under volt the 2000's for better power efficiency.  However, one is lowering their hash rate and losing revenue in the process.  The 2980 enables better efficiency without losing hash rate and increasing the availability for more power for more revenue..


Here is a copy of what was posted in the S7 Forum regarding power efficiency:  [Please correct me if I'm wrong]

The 2000w PSU is not platinum, in fact it's silver but pretty close to gold. It's younger and stronger 2500w brother is gold rated, though. The 2880w beast is not actually platinum either, it is solidly in silver territory. I measured about 87% efficiency. Everyone confuses it with it's younger, slightly more buff 2980w brother the 39Y7414 is platinum, and much more expensive on ebay. We're all buying the 39Y7349 which has no official efficiency numbers anywhere that I can find as it's too old to have been put through the 80+ testing program. My own testing though, puts it at about 87% efficiency at 50% load.

The 2980W 39Y4714 shows a little over 94% efficiency at 50% load verses the 1880W 39Y7349 at your stated 87% at 50% load.

So, let me make sure I understand this correctly;

If we had an S7 that we knew consumed 1210 watts [And used a 2980W 39Y7414 with 93% efficiency with approximately 40.6% load] we should see about 1,301 Watts at the wall on a watt meter.

AND

If we had an S7 that we knew consumed 1210 watts [And used a 2880W 39Y7349 with 86% efficiency with approximately 42.0% load] we should see about 1,407 Watts at the wall on a watt meter.

105 watts difference.  It would be about the same with 2 x S7's on each PSU I believe.  Let me see:

If we had 2 x S7's we knew consumed 2420 watts combined [And used a 2980W 39Y7414 with 93% efficiency with approximately 81% load] we should see about 2,602 watts at the wall on a watt meter.

AND

If we had 2 x S7's we knew consumed 2420 watts combined [And used a 2880W 39Y7349 with 86% efficiency with approximately 84% load] we should see about 2,813 watts at the wall on a watt meter.

So, my math is showing about 105 watts extra has to be burnt to power an S7 with the 2880W verses the 2980W.  If we had 20 x S7's and burnt 105 watts more per S7 with the 2880W PSU, that would be 2100 more watts burnt.  The price difference between each PSU is approximately $75 to $85.  Let's use the $75 difference...

Converting that 2100 watts (2.1 kW) more power into dollars when using 10 x 2980's to power 20 x S7's:

730 hours in a month x 2.1 kW per hour = 1,533 kWh's in a month

1,533 kWh's x $0.10 per kWh = $153.30 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 9.785 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 5 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.09 per kWh = $137.97 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 10.87 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 5.435 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.08 per kWh = $122.64 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 12.23 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 6.115 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.07 per kWh = $107.31 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 13.98 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 7 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.06 per kWh = $  91.98 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 16.31 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 8.15 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.05 per kWh = $  76.65 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 19.57 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 9.785 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.04 per kWh = $  61.32 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 24.46 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 12.23 months]
1,533 kWh's x $0.03 per kWh = $  45.99 saved in a month [All 10 x 2980W's paid for in 32.62 months; the price difference between 2980W & 2880W made up in 16.31 months]

LETS NOT FORGET THE EXTRA 2,100 WATTS AVAILABLE IN THIS SCENARIO ALLOWS FOR AN ADDITIONAL S7 FOR MORE REVENUE WITH ROOM TO SPARE.

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December 30, 2015, 10:06:17 AM
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The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.

Seem like a big difference. It should be 2~% efficiency difference between Gold and Platinum. You're talking about an efficiency difference that sound more like Bronze vs Plat than Gold vs Plat.


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December 30, 2015, 10:08:47 AM
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The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.

Seem like a big difference. It should be 2~% efficiency difference between Gold and Platinum. You're talking about an efficiency difference that sound more like Bronze vs Plat than Gold vs Plat.

You may be correct.  I'm not familiar with what percentage puts one in silver, gold, platinum and titanium.  Maybe I should not have used that terminology.  However, I believe if one looks at the actual numbers, they can see the logic behind the power savings which opens up more available power for more revenue.

EDIT:  By the way, Prelude, did say the 2880 is more in "silver" territory than gold or platinum.  I quoted him in my post above.

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December 30, 2015, 10:13:44 AM
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The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.

Seem like a big difference. It should be 2~% efficiency difference between Gold and Platinum. You're talking about an efficiency difference that sound more like Bronze vs Plat than Gold vs Plat.

You may be correct.  I'm not familiar with what percentage puts one in silver, gold, platinum and titanium.  Maybe I should not have used that terminology.  However, I believe if one looks at the actual numbers, they can see the logic behind the power savings which opens up more available power for more revenue.

EDIT:  By the way, Prelude, did say the 2880 is more in "silver" territory than gold or platinum.  I quoted him in my post above.

If the difference is actually 8%, then yes, thats pretty big. 86% efficiency at 8X% load would be silver efficiency and 91% would be platinum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

It would be a good idea to double check what efficiency those PSU are supposed to make to make sure the watt difference is not a Fluke, because a 8% difference in efficiency is HUGE.


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December 30, 2015, 10:16:55 AM
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The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.

Seem like a big difference. It should be 2~% efficiency difference between Gold and Platinum. You're talking about an efficiency difference that sound more like Bronze vs Plat than Gold vs Plat.

You may be correct.  I'm not familiar with what percentage puts one in silver, gold, platinum and titanium.  Maybe I should not have used that terminology.  However, I believe if one looks at the actual numbers, they can see the logic behind the power savings which opens up more available power for more revenue.

EDIT:  By the way, Prelude, did say the 2880 is more in "silver" territory than gold or platinum.  I quoted him in my post above.

If the difference is actually 8%, then yes, thats pretty big. 86% efficiency at 8X% load would be silver efficiency and 91% would be platinum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

It would be a good idea to double check what efficiency those PSU are supposed to make to make sure the watt difference is not a Fluke, because a 8% difference in efficiency is HUGE.

Look at the following link for the numbers on the 2980...  There are no numbers on the 2880 except for those done by members in the forums.  Prelude used a watt meter to check the efficiency at 50% load for the 2880.  He said it was more like 87% at 50% load.  Here is the link for the 2980:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/IBM_39Y7414_2980W_SO-188_%20Report.pdf

EDIT:  There is a possibility I'm off by 1%.  Even at 1% off on my figures, the 2980 is still very much worth getting IMHO if one is using MANY PSU's with MANY rigs.

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December 30, 2015, 10:32:09 AM
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The 105 watts saved for each S7 I'm running adds up.

Seem like a big difference. It should be 2~% efficiency difference between Gold and Platinum. You're talking about an efficiency difference that sound more like Bronze vs Plat than Gold vs Plat.

You may be correct.  I'm not familiar with what percentage puts one in silver, gold, platinum and titanium.  Maybe I should not have used that terminology.  However, I believe if one looks at the actual numbers, they can see the logic behind the power savings which opens up more available power for more revenue.

EDIT:  By the way, Prelude, did say the 2880 is more in "silver" territory than gold or platinum.  I quoted him in my post above.

If the difference is actually 8%, then yes, thats pretty big. 86% efficiency at 8X% load would be silver efficiency and 91% would be platinum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

It would be a good idea to double check what efficiency those PSU are supposed to make to make sure the watt difference is not a Fluke, because a 8% difference in efficiency is HUGE.

Look at the following link for the numbers on the 2980...  There are no numbers on the 2880 except for those done by members in the forums.  Prelude used a watt meter to check the efficiency at 50% load for the 2880.  He said it was more like 87% at 50% load.  Here is the link for the 2980:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/IBM_39Y7414_2980W_SO-188_%20Report.pdf

EDIT:  There is a possibility I'm off by 1%.  Even at 1% off on my figures, the 2980 is still very much worth getting IMHO if one is using MANY PSU's with MANY rigs.

What i'm thinking is the efficiency difference should be about 1%. A 8%, even 7% does not make sense. I'm not sure what's up with all that, maybe the 2880 tested were bad? I think this warrant more testing before throwing an extra 5-10k into 2980's.


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December 30, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
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What i'm thinking is the efficiency difference should be about 1%. A 8%, even 7% does not make sense. I'm not sure what's up with all that, maybe the 2880 tested were bad? I think this warrant more testing before throwing an extra 5-10k into 2980's.

I can agree with your assessment.  I'm searching the web now for specifications.

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I would also love to know the methods used to determine the 2880W PSU efficiency.  The 80+ program is more involved than just measuring input amps and output amps from what I gather.

David, if you really want to know, a good comparison would be to get one of the 2980W PSU's and measure amperage for a fixed amount of miners over 24 hours, and then do the same with the 2880W with the same miners before you pull the trigger on such a large purchase of PSU's. I'll see if I can track one down myself.

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I would also love to know the methods used to determine the 2880W PSU efficiency.  The 80+ program is more involved than just measuring input amps and output amps from what I gather.

David, if you really want to know, a good comparison would be to get one of the 2980W PSU's and measure amperage for a fixed amount of miners over 24 hours, and then do the same with the 2880W with the same miners before you pull the trigger on such a large purchase of PSU's. I'll see if I can track one down myself.


I think if you could use the same 2 s-7's at the same setting on the 2880w for 24 hours

then do the same test with the 2980w  for 24 hours.


My issues in comparing the 2880watt  to the 1600 t2 evga   were that the 2880w provided 12.20 volts and the evga provided 12.04 volts  thus  when you set at freq 600  the string design of the

s-7 simply spends the extra power with no hash gain.

so at freq 600 the evga was a lot better

but at freq 637 the evga was a dog and the 2880 watter was good.

Basically the test was not fair since  dc volts are different.

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