Shorena - To -ve reped and removed from default trust

[siameze]

Why are you wasting your time being butthurt over this though? Simply remove the scam sig you have now and move on to another legitimate campaign - problem solved.

It is a little like wasting computer cycles on useless work.

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[Quickseller]

shorena had made an argument defending his decision to keep his signature up (at the time) in that he believed that they were not a scam. In fact, he made such argument in a very post that you quoted, and such argument was the only thing that you sniped.

--snip--

I will post my arguments here.

I had coins invested with dicebitco.in and was able to completly divest and withdraw.
Manl and Gerry paid out everyone (to my knowledge) that lost coins.
Those that have not been paid out are those that won coins. I think that is acceptable as they have more than they had before the incident and thus did not lose anything. While you can argue that the rolls are deterministic the gamblers are not, thus it makes no sense to argue in hindsight if and what they players would have risked would the nounces not have been skipped.

--snip--

Although I disagree with his reasoning and his conclusion, I believe that his statement shows a lack of malice in advertising that scam. I also find it reasonable for someone to believe what shorea said in the quoted post.

With your signature on the other hand, it is simply not possible for that ponzi to not eventually end up scamming it's players.

edit:

Why are you wasting your time being butthurt over this though? Simply remove the scam sig you have now and move on to another legitimate campaign - problem solved.

I suspect that the OP might be slightly more involved in that scam then participating in it's signature campaign

[node.jps]

Why are you wasting your time being butthurt over this though? Simply remove the scam sig you have now and move on to another legitimate campaign - problem solved.

It is a little like wasting computer cycles on useless work.

you  obviously dont care about justice, why should i switch to another campaign? he didnt

[node.jps]

shorena had made an argument defending his decision to keep his signature up (at the time) in that he believed that they were not a scam. In fact, he made such argument in a very post that you quoted, and such argument was the only thing that you sniped.

lol when he posted that argument it was already discovered to be a scam for about ~4 days
go back to the drawing board

[Quickseller]

shorena had made an argument defending his decision to keep his signature up (at the time) in that he believed that they were not a scam. In fact, he made such argument in a very post that you quoted, and such argument was the only thing that you sniped.

lol when he posted that argument it was already discovered to be a scam for about ~4 days
go back to the drawing board

Like I said, I don't agree with shorena's conclusion that dicebitco.in was not a scam, however I find his reasoning to be fair as to why he does not think dicebitco.in is a scam.

It is not my job to be the thought police, and if I believe that someone genuinely believes something to not be a scam because of rational arguments then they are within their rights to advertise such business.

[EcuaMobi]

PM:

um, whats the holdup with the negative trust for shorena?

OP, I haven't found evidence that site was an obvious/clear scam at that time. Most probably I'll add a neutral one but I'm still checking.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snippage>who gave him the power to decide on wether or not people should have a bad reputation around here<snippage>

Well the board admins gave him the power, and we all just have to deal with that--it's one of the rules around here.  It's not your board, it's not mine.  And I think promoting a ponzi in a sig campaign is a poopy thing to do as well.  Life is full of double standards (if indeed it is a double standard, but it might not be), but what are you looking for here?  Sympathy?

[shorena]

#1 this should be in reputation. no, has to do with default trust

#2 thanks quickseller for what? disregarding evidence and picking sides?

#3 thanks for giving me a chance to answer to the PM: you're welcome, i'm a pretty fair guy

No, the negativ rating is for promoting a ponzi. I will remove it if you remove the signature before you get paid. You probably just misread that. you didnt remove yours when you were promoting that scam, you waited for the money, why should I ?

#4 Again, I am not a God and I never claimed to be one. If you want to worship me, fine. I will probably not listen to your prayers though.

#5 The person that put me in this position is BadBear.

#6 I cant and I wont be able to go against all scams. Argueing why I dont go against something else you consider a scam is not helping you in discussion. Its not relevant. If you think there are known scams that needs tagging from someone from default trust. ~snip~
its not considered a scam, it is a scam

#7 My advertising for dicebitco.in has been explained at length. I might have been wrong about them, but to my knowledge they paid out everyone and closed shop. You might also notice that I still wear the rating I got for it. wrong

#8 When I had doubt about a casino I advertised for I left the campaign and waived payment. They turned out to be honest.
oh, when you have doubts you leave, but when its a proven scam you stay?


@EcuaMobi: Yes I kept wearing the signature after it turned out they skipped nonces. The full story is that they also repaid those affected by skipped nonces. Firstly only those that lost, but later everyone else. The story was that they hired a 3rd person that patched in the skipped nonces, did a mistakes as they did not review the code before it went live. I can look up the relevant threads later if you want.

#2 For congratulating me on my first drama thread. Im not very fond of it though.

#6 I think you missed the point. The point is I am not everywhere, nor do I try to be. Im out of cloud mining since hashie.

#7 wrong what? I have the feeling you dont want me to take you seriously.

#8 It was meant as an example that I am not perfect. I am not entirely sure I would make the same decision I did with dicebitco.in again. Should have could have is however not something I want to have a part in. I made my decision and if it turns out that I now deserve a negative rating for it, so be it.

@EcuaMobi:

This[1] is the thread Stunna openend when the skipped nonces happened. It includes a link[2] to the dicebitco.in main thread when the first people notices some "bug". I can give you some highlighty, but its probably better if you read up on your own after that. I dont want to influence your decision by cherry picking quotes. IIRC the campaign was run by the same two people running the casino. I joined september[3]. Mitchell and dooglus as escrow took over the campaign[4]. As you can see from the posts by the escrows it was not clear whether it was a scam or not. After some arguments have been passed Mitchell decided to pay out a large portion and let doog handle the rest[5]. Eventually the owners paid out on 1st Oct. The same day there was another claim that they are scamming as doog confirms here[6]. Whether or not I was still wearing the signature at that time I dont know.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8715769#msg8715769
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758854
[4] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776227
[5] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.0
[6] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9057104#msg9057104

[node.jps]

lol i see why quickseller is defending shorena, his alt was also involved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.msg9033498#msg9033498

[node.jps]

~snip~
 Whether or not I was still wearing the signature at that time I dont know.
~snip~

I agreed to wear their signature for a months and I will honor my agreement.

[ACCTseller]

lol i see why quickseller is defending shorena, his alt was also involved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.msg9033498#msg9033498

ACCTseller was not enrolled in that signature campaign.

There is no reason to involve me in this. Thanks.

It is pretty clear that you are an alt of a scammer who has been around longer then your account's age would imply. You are creating the same kind of drama that the scammer/thief James Volpe of Melbourne, Australia liked to create with Quickseller

[shorena]

~snip~
 Whether or not I was still wearing the signature at that time I dont know.
~snip~

I agreed to wear their signature for a months and I will honor my agreement.

It was the day of the payout, the month was over. I dont know the exact time.

-snip-

Here is the full list of participants btw -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.0

[node.jps]

~snip~
 Whether or not I was still wearing the signature at that time I dont know.
~snip~

I agreed to wear their signature for a months and I will honor my agreement.

It was the day of the payout, the month was over. I dont know the exact time.

News?

12 18 hours, payment received, thanks.

do you remember now?

[shorena]

~snip~
 Whether or not I was still wearing the signature at that time I dont know.
~snip~

I agreed to wear their signature for a months and I will honor my agreement.

It was the day of the payout, the month was over. I dont know the exact time.

News?

12 18 hours, payment received, thanks.

do you remember now?

I know the post, whats your point?

That this[1] is the first post that should not taken into consideration by EcuaMobi and that it must be evident that dicebitco.in was a scam before it?

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg9040795#msg9040795

[node.jps]

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

[redsn0w]

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

You are still promoting a ponzi/scam site , shorena ... no he is not promoting a scam. I think this is the simple difference between you and him.

[siameze]

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

You are still promoting a ponzi/scam site , shorena ... no he is not promoting a scam. I think this is the simple difference between you and him.

Pretty much this. I am happy to remove any negative trust I place when an issue is resolved - in this case when a person is no longer actively promoting a scam.

[EcuaMobi]

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

It must be clear here that we're not judging (if you want to use that word) that dice site but shorena's actions. For him to deserve negative trust it must be clear that site was an obvious scam without a considerable doubt.
There was an accusation and several people thought it was a scam but it seems several other people honestly thought they were just having problems with an employee and with the system.
The site was fishy and I would have refrained from promoting it but there wasn't enough evidence (or at least I can't find if) that it was a scam without doubt. Therefore I don't consider negative trust is deserved.
I was considering neutral feedback but because shorena has helped a lot to the community and has been fighting scammers I don't think any warning is required at all. I strongly don't think he represents a threat of any kind (if anything, the contrary).

Regarding "being afraid of DT users": that doesn't make any sense. If shorena, I or any other DT user is found to scam or do anything else clearly untrustworthy then that user will receive negative trust and will be removed from DT. Therefore their retaliation negative trust (if any) would be meaningless and therefore it wouldn't make sense to be afraid of such an user.

[node.jps]

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

. I strongly don't think he represents a threat of any kind (if anything, the contrary).

but i pose some kind of threat? noted

I dont understand the reasoning here,

• I get negative trust for promoting what you guys consider a ponzi
• Shorena advertises a scam
• he does get negative rep

+1 for favouritism, there is more than enough evidence here against shorena, who has doublebot scammed?
I guess people here are afraid of people on DT

You are still promoting a ponzi/scam site , shorena ... no he is not promoting a scam. I think this is the simple difference between you and him.

Pretty much this. I am happy to remove any negative trust I place when an issue is resolved - in this case when a person is no longer actively promoting a scam.

he only left after he got signature payment and the campaign ended

[redsn0w]

But now who is promoting a well know ponzi/scam site?