$20,087.25 worth of BTC for sale.

[ClownSpider]

Hello,

I have a lot of bitcoin and I wish to buy a car.  No dealers accept Bitcoin.  I want a one car from dealer A or dealer B.
They would accept Credit card or bank wire, but not bitcoin.

I cannot cash out bitcoin, LBC is useless in my area and for this amount.

If someone is willing to pay the car dealership, I can pay you in BTC for the current market price. 
I won't charge you a markup like you would pay on localbitcoin or coinbase or any other exchange.

You will know the dealer, and therefore you will know me as I would be registering the car and keeping it.
There is a paper trail because of this.  Bank wire, dealer, receipts, registration.
I do not know how a deal like this can be made more secure than it is, such as it is.
Perhaps this is an impossible request.

Not many people need that much BTC anyways.
And no, I don't believe that an anonymous person on this forum with a "legend/hero" account can be trusted because they are anonymous, legend/hero accounts are sold on this forum for far LESS than this transaction amount,
I honestly believe that all in forum escrow members are vulnerable to temptation exit scams like MTGOX.
So I would NOT trust some anonymous "high reputation" user with 20k when I trust bank logs, dealership record keeping, and DMV registrations 1000 times more.  Because ONLY a paper trail can trusted and used in the event someone pulled some BS.
An escrow guy holding anonymous untraceable BTC is a terrible idea for this amount.

So I propose someone trust the paper trail and my need for an actual car.

Any takers?
My information, location, car, dealer contact info etc will be in private.

Amount can be a little more or less depending on things.
No fees added for me or you in this offer.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Sorry for the n00b question. But a free bump is a free bump.

Why not use an exchange?

[ClownSpider]

I would like a car tomorrow.
An exchange requires time, verification time, and a US bank account, all things I don't have time for.
I also do not have a USA bank account.

[Dorrittulx]

Move to Canada, we get bank 2 bank instant within 30 minutes (Interac E-Transfer). No EMT's in USA?

MoneyGram?

[ClownSpider]

Money Gram, Western Union, and Banks all do money wires.
But they they ask you 20 questions because of the amount of money and fee you to death.

[shdvb]

I could wire you money ,if thats okay with you?

[ClownSpider]

I could wire you money ,if thats okay with you?

Or wire the dealership right?
If I accept it, I cannot take out that much in one day.

[ClownSpider]

So yes I guess that is exactly what I am asking, and works.  But not to me, to the dealer.

[Timelord2067]

So are you looking to do the deal in one hit, or in smaller chunks, say minimum of one BTC (ie close to $ 450 USD)?

Thanks for reading.

[ClownSpider]

So are you looking to do the deal in one hit, or in smaller chunks, say minimum of one BTC (ie close to $ 450 USD)?

Thanks for reading.

One transaction of 20k.

Not small amounts.


Perhaps others in the future, of equal or greater amounts.

[boliu]

doesn't tesla motors accept bitcoins?

[MyBTT]

This is dodgy. Extremely fishy.

[ClownSpider]

In other words, the OP wants you to give him his car dealership $20,000 in cash, and then will send you $20,000 worth of bitcoin. He is not accepting escrow, and is insisting that you send first

No, not in other words.   I have very clearly explained that I want the funds given to a dealership, by bank wire, NOT CASH, and then I will send $20k in bitcoin.   You are fucking crazy if you think I would send Bitcoin BEFORE a bank wire.  Bank wires have a paper trail and FDIC bank insurance.
Escrow?  Are you joking?  "Escrow" to you means some anonymous fucker that can steal, and will.  Look at MTGOX.
You sir have a history of being a scammer with alts.

This is dodgy. Extremely fishy.

Why?  Because bitcoins are evil?

doesn't tesla motors accept bitcoins?

No Tesla does not accept bitcoins when I checked.  I heard that rumor too, based on a story of a single lambo dealer in CA accepting Bitcoin one time.  Tesla is 50-70k  I am just looking for 20.

[eneilwex]

not without  escrow, regardless of your paper trail. why should anyone take all the risk for you? You can use different escrows for this deal, if you are worried one would up and run.

[ClownSpider]

not without  escrow, regardless of your paper trail. why should anyone take all the risk for you? You can use different escrows for this deal, if you are worried one would up and run.

What escrow can be trusted with 20k of untraceable anonymous unrefundable bitcoin?  It is the perfect currency for people to exit with.
A banks paper trail is more secure than any escrow that can be named.

[Quickseller]

In other words, the OP wants you to give him his car dealership $20,000 in cash, and then will send you $20,000 worth of bitcoin. He is not accepting escrow, and is insisting that you send first

No, not in other words.   I have very clearly explained that I want the funds given to a dealership, by bank wire, NOT CASH, and then I will send $20k in bitcoin.   You are fucking crazy if you think I would send Bitcoin BEFORE a bank wire.  Bank wires have a paper trail and FDIC bank insurance.
Escrow?  Are you joking?  "Escrow" to you means some anonymous fucker that can steal, and will.  Look at MTGOX.
You sir have a history of being a scammer with alts.

For all intensive purposes a bank wire is the same as cash, as you are not going to be able to reverse either a cash payment to a dealership or a bank wire to a dealership.

Granted a bank wire is going to have a paper trail, however there is nothing about that paper trail that will force you to send the bitcoin once the payment is sent to the dealership. All that FDIC insurance is going to do is protect you against bank failures (up to $250,000 per depositor, per account type), and will do nothing about the potential for the dealership to go under, and will do nothing to protect against you from scamming.

If you were to have the car registered to a fake person's name, and do not send bitcoin to the bitcoin seller, then the police would be looking for a fake person who does not exist. Once the owner of a car can report a car as being stolen, so there would be no one to report the car as stolen, even though the bitcoin seller paid for it. Additionally, car thieves will sometimes sell car parts of a car they steal (eg hood, doors, seats, ect.), and you could potentially sell the car you receive and do not pay for scrap parts -- you would probably not receive $20,000 for this, however considering that you paid nothing for it, that will not matter for you.

Regarding escrow, if you are serious about getting this done, then I would suggest OgNasty. He is currently holding over $240,000 worth of bitcoin. He also recently released 130BTC in an escrowed deal for a bunch of miners which is almost triple the amount of your proposed deal. I would personally call it ridiculous to think that you wouldn't be able to trust him with $20,000.

Bottom line is that a paper trail of a transaction is not going to protect anyone against you scamming them, the same way that the trail that the blockchain leaves is not going to protect you from a scammer.

I would say that there is a fairly good chance that you are not even able to prove that you are in control of $20,000 worth of bitcoin

[Scam_Buster]

@ClownSpider nice trust rating you got there...

Sign that wallet of yours holding $20k in.

[MyBTT]

@ClownSpider nice trust rating you got there...

Sign that wallet of yours holding $20k in.

Yes OP, sign the message please.

[ClownSpider]

I will happily sign the wallet with 43k in it.  Just looking to spend 20k

[MyBTT]

I will happily sign the wallet with 43k in it.  Just looking to spend 20k

I'm actually interested to see whether this is legit or not. If it is I'm sorry I take back my words.

So please sign the address