Next gen Antminer opinions/guesses

[yslyung]

My guess is that BMT is already mining on new HW which is not released to the public yet but could be already in production or in "testing" phase.

What would be your prediction of the specs of the next gen on antminers ?

-Such as it's size/weight/build/power consumption/hashrate/ etc

- me thinks it's going to be in the 10 th/s range, 2000 'ish W, slightly bigger than the current S7, more chips per hashboard.

When will it be launched ?

- My guess end of 1st quarter of 2016

Of course the pricing  would be ?

- Ain't gonna be cheap or barely make ROI unless, super CHEAP power or FREE power, 0 or LOW setup cost, prolly near to or at least 5 BTC/miner

Pre-Orders ?

- Yes I think so there's gonna be a month's wait

I hope it will use less PCIE cables, more reliable, I highly doubt that it can get away with noise & heat.

Let's hear it.

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[vortexz]

the next miner will be S7+ version ,something like 10 Th/S and about 2200 W

[notlist3d]

the next miner will be S7+ version ,something like 10 Th/S and about 2200 W

Depends on competition I think a S7+ is not to hard to believe since S5+.  But S5+ was a very short lived batch, I love mine still.  But most did not order one.  Also it's a really quick way to get rid of old gen chips.

So if they move on a batch of S7+ before going to S9 makes sense.  How long till this?   Who knows at least over a month as we know Batch 9 is being made up till around then. I hope we get a while on current gen before  next... but your never know.

[philipma1957]

Bitmaintech has no reason to change to new gear until some one has better gear.

So if some One  really starts to sell .15 watt or .20 watt gear bitmaintech will bust out a .10 watt item

Til then stand in line for the s-7's

[Tmdz]

We really won't see next gen until just before or just after halving as it seems there would not be much reason to release a new miner until then.  Keep in mind the S7 is not very old but bitmain sure has produced a ton of those units.  Halving will really be the factor that warrants new hardware to keep up profits high enough for the miners to make this industry worthwhile.

[mavericklm]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

[VirosaGITS]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

There's going to be 0.06 stuff before then, from gridseed i think and they're not the only ones working on "next-gen stuff". With Bitmain's motto being cheap and loud, i'm not sure they are going to beat that, but we'll see.

[notlist3d]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

There's going to be 0.06 stuff before then, from gridseed i think and they're not the only ones working on "next-gen stuff". With Bitmain's motto being cheap and loud, i'm not sure they are going to beat that, but we'll see.

Bitmain is quiet on it's R/D.  I would not count them out they have huge resources, they are not going anywhere.  What stuff are you referring to on gridseed?  I was thinking they are now SFARDS and have been mining internally.

On the .06 if Bitfury does have it that does put them at a big advantage.  First one always has big advantage.

[QuintLeo]

I would bet that BitMain is working on a 14/16nm full custom chip design (they as much as SAID so in the S7 introduction).

 Unless they show up with it in the next 3 months, I doubt there will be an S7+
 If there IS an S7+, I expect it to be appx. 14TH at appx. 3300 watts (another "triple" unit).

 I suspect the next Bitmain machine will be S7 form factor or very close, but using the next gen chips, called the S9.
 They need to do something about the reliability of their "glue the heat sinks on" methodology though.


 BitFury has to achieve decent yields to get any significant advantage on their new chips - and they've got other folks that have announced similar-performance chips in production or "soon".
 It also appears that Bitfury wants to do those stupid "lightbulbs" as their "consumer-grade" mining gear - I don't see enough of a market for those things to matter.
 They might be able to compete with existing "smart" lightbulbs, but that's a TINY market compared to lightbulbs in general and will be tiny for the forseeable future.


 I don't see SFARDS/Gridseed getting to that generation soon, and when they do *IF THEY DO* their chip will be handicapped by their stupid insistance on "dual mining" design.
 They also seem to have an ongoing issue with crap board-level design when they try to put miners together.
 I don't see SFARDS ever being a significant player in the mining space again.


 Avalon seems to have made the VERY BAD decision to wait to even start development on that generation - which might be the final straw that kills them.

[VirosaGITS]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

There's going to be 0.06 stuff before then, from gridseed i think and they're not the only ones working on "next-gen stuff". With Bitmain's motto being cheap and loud, i'm not sure they are going to beat that, but we'll see.

Bitmain is quiet on it's R/D.  I would not count them out they have huge resources, they are not going anywhere.  What stuff are you referring to on gridseed?  I was thinking they are now SFARDS and have been mining internally.

On the .06 if Bitfury does have it that does put them at a big advantage.  First one always has big advantage.

It is and they don't really need to "release it". It kinda only make sense to sell hardware that will be obsolete in the near future. The home miner is a small cut of the pie anyways, so i'm not sure what's Bitmain's real gameplan anyways.

[notlist3d]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

There's going to be 0.06 stuff before then, from gridseed i think and they're not the only ones working on "next-gen stuff". With Bitmain's motto being cheap and loud, i'm not sure they are going to beat that, but we'll see.

Bitmain is quiet on it's R/D.  I would not count them out they have huge resources, they are not going anywhere.  What stuff are you referring to on gridseed?  I was thinking they are now SFARDS and have been mining internally.

On the .06 if Bitfury does have it that does put them at a big advantage.  First one always has big advantage.

It is and they don't really need to "release it". It kinda only make sense to sell hardware that will be obsolete in the near future. The home miner is a small cut of the pie anyways, so i'm not sure what's Bitmain's real gameplan anyways.

What gridseed stuff are you talking about though? I thought they were now SFARDS, and they had a dual miner.   But they did not produce a ton.  We know of a big batch for internal.  And possibly a second batch for internal or big buyer, we never knew really what happened on second big batch just that it did not go public.

[VirosaGITS]

sound logically that next gen to be after halving. maybe even in 2017 if condition arise!

There's going to be 0.06 stuff before then, from gridseed i think and they're not the only ones working on "next-gen stuff". With Bitmain's motto being cheap and loud, i'm not sure they are going to beat that, but we'll see.

Bitmain is quiet on it's R/D.  I would not count them out they have huge resources, they are not going anywhere.  What stuff are you referring to on gridseed?  I was thinking they are now SFARDS and have been mining internally.

On the .06 if Bitfury does have it that does put them at a big advantage.  First one always has big advantage.

It is and they don't really need to "release it". It kinda only make sense to sell hardware that will be obsolete in the near future. The home miner is a small cut of the pie anyways, so i'm not sure what's Bitmain's real gameplan anyways.

What gridseed stuff are you talking about though? I thought they were now SFARDS, and they had a dual miner.   But they did not produce a ton.  We know of a big batch for internal.  And possibly a second batch for internal or big buyer, we never knew really what happened on second big batch just that it did not go public.

Current Gridseed stuff is at 0.2J/GH, few months ago they announced 0.06J/GH, in September i think, i can't find the original place where i read it. This is the only mention of it i can find on short notice;

BitFury Group Unknown a 2015-Sep-02 16nm 0.06J/Gh chip . BitFury Group considers this their Gen 5 product. Date is public announcement of tape-out date.This chip is planned for the future and specifications are highly subject to change.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_Bitcoin_mining_ASICs

Tho the current gen Gridseed stuff is not available to public, so i have doubt the 16nm gen will be.

[yslyung]

Bitmaintech has no reason to change to new gear until some one has better gear.

So if some One  really starts to sell .15 watt or .20 watt gear bitmaintech will bust out a .10 watt item

Til then stand in line for the s-7's

I disagree as this is a race in mining.

It'll be too late till someone starts to sell, BMT would wanna sell ahead, there's no reason for them to bust out a newer tech later on. if they do that, it will too late.

If I were BMT, I'd love to sell as much as possible in the shortest amount of time especially before halving.

SP is coming with SP50

LK is coming with B-Eleven

Bitfury is coming soon too

& the lists goes on.

Ever wonder why the S7's price has been dropping last couple of days same goes to the Jan B9 bulk buy.

TBH i foresee a new launch from BMT themselves & competitor which is around mid of 1st quarter of 2016.

16nm race is on.

[notlist3d]

Bitmaintech has no reason to change to new gear until some one has better gear.

So if some One  really starts to sell .15 watt or .20 watt gear bitmaintech will bust out a .10 watt item

Til then stand in line for the s-7's

I disagree as this is a race in mining.

It'll be too late till someone starts to sell, BMT would wanna sell ahead, there's no reason for them to bust out a newer tech later on. if they do that, it will too late.

If I were BMT, I'd love to sell as much as possible in the shortest amount of time especially before halving.

SP is coming with SP50

LK is coming with B-Eleven

Bitfury is coming soon too

& the lists goes on.

Ever wonder why the S7's price has been dropping last couple of days same goes to the Jan B9 bulk buy.

TBH i foresee a new launch from BMT themselves & competitor which is around mid of 1st quarter of 2016.

16nm race is on.

Only thing is a lot of those coming soon we have seen no working prototype (that I know of).  It seems some companies announced very early, and they are slow to come out with products.

I think Bitmain will keep current as long as possible.  The more chips/miners they pump out and can sell the higher profit (most likely) they are able to reach.   They are good that they seem to always sell to home customers/hobby customers, which some companies have no interest in selling to.  I see a lot of the first miners no matter which one being internal or big bulk customers, then going to smaller customers (and some stop at bulk).

I think it is a race to a point.  But there has to be a company that sells to home/hobby customers that has a new chip to really push them. If a company has a chip that is better, and does not sell to smaller miners it does not really push bitmain smaller sales.

[Amph]

i think to avoid wasting space, they can even go with a single more powerful unit, that deliver more than the double of a s7, like s7 was 4 time the s5, so 20tera? and consumption of 2400w, so double the efficiency at least

price high enough that it would not be a good investment at the beginning, as usual

[paulh691]

it seems Antminer S9 is indeed coming soon, but no details yet

[philipma1957]

i think to avoid wasting space, they can even go with a single more powerful unit, that deliver more than the double of a s7, like s7 was 4 time the s5, so 20tera? and consumption of 2400w, so double the efficiency at least

price high enough that it would not be a good investment at the beginning, as usual

they must have 10,000 of their own psu's in use thus I say a 1400 watt miner makes the most sense for them.


so  that said  if the current machine is doing 4700 at 1400 watts at the wall  it is doing  .297 watts a gh.

I would think the s-9   will do 9000gh at 1400 watts doing  or  .15555 watts a gh


 if it is a lot different  it will be less power say 7200gh at 1200 watts or .16666 watts a gh.


I do not see it varying much from the range I give above.

They have lots  and lots of racks setup with lots of psu's  so the miner will fit in these specs somewhat

[notlist3d]

i think to avoid wasting space, they can even go with a single more powerful unit, that deliver more than the double of a s7, like s7 was 4 time the s5, so 20tera? and consumption of 2400w, so double the efficiency at least

price high enough that it would not be a good investment at the beginning, as usual

they must have 10,000 of their own psu's in use thus I say a 1400 watt miner makes the most sense for them.


so  that said  if the current machine is doing 4700 at 1400 watts at the wall  it is doing  .297 watts a gh.

I would think the s-9   will do 9000gh at 1400 watts doing  or  .15555 watts a gh


 if it is a lot different  it will be less power say 7200gh at 1200 watts or .16666 watts a gh.


I do not see it varying much from the range I give above.

They have lots  and lots of racks setup with lots of psu's  so the miner will fit in these specs somewhat

I would agree on staying with a design that keeps current PSU's.   Makes it easier for them internally to upgrade, saves costs on upgrade... so all makes sense.  So most likely a 3 blade miner.   I still don't know what to expect on timeline and specs.   

Also it allows them to keep making/selling PSU's which were I'm sure a nice little bump in selling those with some of orders.  So in a way it can get them more profit at least on people that don't have PSU's already.

[philipma1957]

i think to avoid wasting space, they can even go with a single more powerful unit, that deliver more than the double of a s7, like s7 was 4 time the s5, so 20tera? and consumption of 2400w, so double the efficiency at least

price high enough that it would not be a good investment at the beginning, as usual

they must have 10,000 of their own psu's in use thus I say a 1400 watt miner makes the most sense for them.


so  that said  if the current machine is doing 4700 at 1400 watts at the wall  it is doing  .297 watts a gh.

I would think the s-9   will do 9000gh at 1400 watts doing  or  .15555 watts a gh


 if it is a lot different  it will be less power say 7200gh at 1200 watts or .16666 watts a gh.


I do not see it varying much from the range I give above.

They have lots  and lots of racks setup with lots of psu's  so the miner will fit in these specs somewhat

I would agree on staying with a design that keeps current PSU's.   Makes it easier for them internally to upgrade, saves costs on upgrade... so all makes sense.  So most likely a 3 blade miner.   I still don't know what to expect on timeline and specs.   

Also it allows them to keep making/selling PSU's which were I'm sure a nice little bump in selling those with some of orders.  So in a way it can get them more profit at least on people that don't have PSU's already.

Some are saying gear will be on sale may 21st.

[QuintLeo]

Bitfury might have miners hit the market May 21.

I doubt BitMain will have an S9 out by then - though they might announce initial pre-order of the first batch of the S9 on the 21'st, for delivery probably a month or two later.

 I'm not seeing signs of them selling off a bunch of their used S7 having replaced them with S9s internally yet, unless that's what the "new 2 fan" batch is about.


 If I had to guess, I'd guess ballpark S9 will end up around 9-10 TH at 1200-1400 watt range when it shows up, and will be the same form factor as the S7 or very very close (like the S7 was very very close to the S5+ individual units, it keeps looking like the S5+ was a deliberate proving ground step to the S7 more than anything else).