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November 14, 2018, 02:32:34 PM 

since 2014 i see there are many quiz right that, but until right now i dont know how to solve this problem, how to solve this puzzle? can anyone tell me how, so i can try to solve it by myself








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November 14, 2018, 03:02:12 PM 

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If you have the public key and the search space is 2^160 how fast can you find the private key?
Infeasible. More than universe age.




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November 16, 2018, 01:15:41 AM 

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If you have the public key and the search space is 2^160 how fast can you find the private key?
It would require 2^80 work. That is just beyond what is currently feasible today. But not impossible.




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November 16, 2018, 03:08:38 PM Last edit: November 16, 2018, 03:26:01 PM by arulbero 

@arulbero
If you have the public key and the search space is 2^160 how fast can you find the private key?
It would require 2^80 work. That is just beyond what is currently feasible today. But not impossible. No, it would require much more than 2^80 work. Or you would require 2^80 work + a storage capable of containing a hash table of 2^80 * (256 bit + 80 bit) = 336 * 2^80 bit = 2^88.4 bit = more than 2^38 PB. The current max size of my hash table is now 2^28 * (64 bit + 32 bit) = 96 * 2^28 bit = 2^34.58 bit = 24 GB (to store 2^28 keys in ram). It is only 1/2^54 of 2^88.4! It is not possible to get such amount of ram in the next 40 years.




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November 16, 2018, 11:48:26 PM 

This is a game for geniuses with great minds.
The most funny thing  the guy who took 3 puzzles in a row just bought 3 gtx1080ti. The next megagenius is the one, who will step in with 5 1080ti's That will not happen. I have (6) super powerful EVGA GTX 1080 FTW 3.0 gpus and using bitcrack, I cannot come anywhere close to solving the higher number keys like 59, 60, etc. https://www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=ced0347b30fe45fe808ca64df6a5218a




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November 17, 2018, 12:45:02 AM 

because before that, if I am not mistaken, all the tasks have been solved and it seems to me that this one will also be solved

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November 18, 2018, 03:52:01 AM 

Hi. I probably misunderstood something.
In your example #57 (first 200 bit + last 56 bit) =
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000011101011001001011100100100000111100101 011101011000011100
HEX: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000eb25c90795d61c => 1J9zB6p4dRgyinst2eCVsyXvgYXtNhw2Y2
This is not a private key for #57
What did I miss?
I forgot '1' at the beginning of the number: last 56 bit of the private key#57: 1101011001001011100100100000111100101011101011000011100
but there are only 55 bits Correct> last 56 bit of the private key#57: 11101011001001011100100100000111100101011101011000011100
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000011110101100100101110010010000011110010 1011101011000011100 HEX 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 1eb25c90795d61c Thank you Yes, that was the correct hex key for #57. I hope you got to spend it!




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November 18, 2018, 04:28:10 AM 

here are the other pvk decimal values I was able to find:
Address 15: 26867 Address 16: 51510 Address 17: 95823 Address 18: 198669 Address 19: 357535 Address 20: ?
I think these are correct, but I haven't had time to verify yet. Address 15: (I missed that one for some reason), I'm not entirely sure what the keys for these are just yet. I'll check them out this evening. List of priv keys in hex, then decimal: 3 7 8 15 31 4c e0 1d3 202 483 a7b 1460 2930 c936 1764f 3080d 5749f d2c55 1ba534 2de40f 556e52 dc2a04 1fa5ee5 340326e 6ac3875 d916ce8 17e2551e 3d94cd64 7d4fe747 b862a62e 1a96ca8d8 34a65911d 4aed21170 9de820a7c 1757756a93 22382facd0 4b5f8303e9 <= Address 39 122AJhKLEfkFBaGAd84pLp1kfE7xK3GdT8 3 7 8 21 49 76 224 467 514 1155 2683 5216 10544 51510 95823 198669 357535 863317 1811764 3007503 5598802 14428676 33185509 54538862 111949941 227634408 400708894 1033162084 2102388551 3093472814 7137437912 14133072157 20112871792 42387769980 100251560595 146971536592 323724968937 <= Address 39 122AJhKLEfkFBaGAd84pLp1kfE7xK3GdT8 Very interesting. Took me less than a day to get all these, but cracking up much higher for unclaimed is going to be really hard, unless I can do something more intelligent than just a brute force. Which is what I'm working on of course, there may be something there to find.




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November 18, 2018, 10:24:15 AM 

@arulbero
If you have the public key and the search space is 2^160 how fast can you find the private key?
It would require 2^80 work. That is just beyond what is currently feasible today. But not impossible. No, it would require much more than 2^80 work. Or you would require 2^80 work + a storage capable of containing a hash table of 2^80 * (256 bit + 80 bit) = 336 * 2^80 bit = 2^88.4 bit = more than 2^38 PB. The current max size of my hash table is now 2^28 * (64 bit + 32 bit) = 96 * 2^28 bit = 2^34.58 bit = 24 GB (to store 2^28 keys in ram). It is only 1/2^54 of 2^88.4! It is not possible to get such amount of ram in the next 40 years. This is correct only for BSGS (BabyStepGiantStep). Using Pollard Rho method, the expected work is 3*2^80 group operations with almost zero memory requirements. Note that unlike BSGS this method is probabilistic, and might fail with very low probability (on the order of 2^160). One can improve the algorithm using Distinguished Points, bringing the expected work down to 1.253*2^80 group operations, using both less memory and less group operations (on average) than BSGS.




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November 18, 2018, 10:49:13 AM 

This is correct only for BSGS (BabyStepGiantStep).
Using Pollard Rho method, the expected work is 3*2^80 group operations with almost zero memory requirements.
Note that unlike BSGS this method is probabilistic, and might fail with very low probability (on the order of 2^160).
One can improve the algorithm using Distinguished Points, bringing the expected work down to 1.253*2^80 group operations, using both less memory and less group operations (on average) than BSGS.
Pollard Rho can't exploit the fact that the private key is in the range from 1 to 2^160 for example, because it is probabilistic. It would need always 2^128 steps. Only BSGS is suitable for this task. If you try to retrieve #57 with Pollard Rho, you won't retrieve the private key in a few seconds or in a few years. With "space search is 2^160" in this context we mean a 2^160 points subset in the space of the 2^256 points of the secp256k1 curve.




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November 18, 2018, 09:00:26 PM 

No, it would require much more than 2^80 work. Or you would require 2^80 work + a storage capable of containing a hash table of 2^80 * (256 bit + 80 bit) = 336 * 2^80 bit = 2^88.4 bit = more than 2^38 PB.
The current max size of my hash table is now 2^28 * (64 bit + 32 bit) = 96 * 2^28 bit = 2^34.58 bit = 24 GB (to store 2^28 keys in ram). It is only 1/2^54 of 2^88.4!
It is not possible to get such amount of ram in the next 40 years.
Could you go a bit more into how you get the numbers in the parentheses? You lost me there.




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November 18, 2018, 09:31:35 PM 

This really sound interesting but it's going to be a very tedious task and it will take alot of time to solve it. I hope someone finds out and win the prize if truly there is price to be won.




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November 18, 2018, 09:34:17 PM 

This really sound interesting but it's going to be a very tedious task and it will take alot of time to solve it. I hope someone finds out and win the prize if truly there is price to be won.
People have been finding keys. The most recent one was on November 8th, 2018: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/15c9mPGLku1HuW9LRtBf4jcHVpBUt8txKz. A 57bit puzzle.




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November 18, 2018, 09:37:22 PM Last edit: November 18, 2018, 09:47:55 PM by arulbero 

No, it would require much more than 2^80 work. Or you would require 2^80 work + a storage capable of containing a hash table of 2^80 * (256 bit + 80 bit) = 336 * 2^80 bit = 2^88.4 bit = more than 2^38 PB.
The current max size of my hash table is now 2^28 * (64 bit + 32 bit) = 96 * 2^28 bit = 2^34.58 bit = 24 GB (to store 2^28 keys in ram). It is only 1/2^54 of 2^88.4!
It is not possible to get such amount of ram in the next 40 years.
Could you go a bit more into how you get the numbers in the parentheses? You lost me there. Look at this code: https://gist.github.com/jhoenicke/2e39b3c6c49b1d7b216b8626197e4b89You need to store a list of 2^80 public keys in a hash table. For the sake of simplicity we suppose we have enough ram. Then: #define GSTEP (1<<80)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint256_t x;
uint81_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
each entry has the x coordinate (256 bit) of a public key + a exponent (a key to access faster to the entry). The exponent must be longer than the size of the list (to minimize collisions, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_table), then if the list has 2^80 elements, it takes at least 81 bit for the exponent (HASH_SIZE is 2*GSTEP = 2^81). > (81 + 256 bit)
For the #57 key instead: #define GSTEP (1<<28)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint64_t x;
uint32_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
I use 32 bit for the exponent (32 > 28) and I store only the first 64 bit of the x coordinate (there is a low chance to have a partial collision in a list of 2^28 element, i.e. two different x with the same first 64 bit) > (64 + 32 bit) To avoid any collisions you should use always 256 bit for the x coordinate. And the size of the hash table should be at least two times the size of the list you want to store.




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November 20, 2018, 04:39:58 AM 

With brute force I would need to use 2^56 different private keys to generate 2^56 public keys. Too much time. But If I knew only the address and not the public key, that would be the only way.
Could you briefly describe what this process would be like, if you can? In terms of possible time to generate, and space to save the results. What I think you're saying, if I understand it, is that you would generate all 56bit private keys, for unsigned integers that would be 2^56  1 private keys, or 72,057,594,037,927,935. Wow, 72 quadrillion, 57 trillion and so on. Then generate a public key for each of those 72 quadrillion+ private keys. But, if you don't know what the private key is, to solve a puzzle, this would be a fairly insane process of using a lookup table perhaps. Suppose only compressed public keys are computed for each private key, then compute sha256(pubkey) > ripemd160( sha256(pubkey) ) for the Hash160 of the address, or just go a step further and use the Base58Check address list from the public keys. So in other words, the only method here is to have a huge lookup table, and if you have a massive RDBMS for it, then select privkey from lookup_table where (hash160  base58check) = target_address, and hope you get a hit. I suppose there would be a better way to implement a lookup table, like cutting some bits off the hash160 or base58check address, then do a lookup on priv_key where first 64 bits of hash160 = first 64 bits of target hash160, and maybe one will pop out. Still, a massive operation. Assuming billions of keys per second, that will still take a heck of a long time, not to mention the computation of the public key and other operations from each of the private keys, and the space needed to store the lookup table or database.




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November 20, 2018, 04:44:36 AM 

For the #57 key instead: #define GSTEP (1<<28)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint64_t x;
uint32_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
I use 32 bit for the exponent (32 > 28) and I store only the first 64 bit of the x coordinate (there is a low chance to have a partial collision in a list of 2^28 element, i.e. two different x with the same first 64 bit) > (64 + 32 bit) To avoid any collisions you should use always 256 bit for the x coordinate. And the size of the hash table should be at least two times the size of the list you want to store. Thanks again arulbero. Now I see why you're legendary.




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November 20, 2018, 04:50:30 AM 

Wow. james@research:~$ time ./babystepgiantstep.exe Build Hash Search Keys Found private key 1: ffffffffffffffff or 1 Found private key 2: fffffffffffffffd or 3 Found private key 3: fffffffffffffff9 or 7 Found private key 4: fffffffffffffff8 or 8 Found private key 5: ffffffffffffffeb or 15 Found private key 6: ffffffffffffffcf or 31 Found private key 7: ffffffffffffffb4 or 4c Found private key 8: ffffffffffffff20 or e0 Found private key 9: fffffffffffffe2d or 1d3 Found private key 10: fffffffffffffdfe or 202 Found private key 11: fffffffffffffb7d or 483 Found private key 12: fffffffffffff585 or a7b Found private key 13: ffffffffffffeba0 or 1460 Found private key 14: ffffffffffffd6d0 or 2930 Found private key 15: ffffffffffff970d or 68f3 Found private key 16: ffffffffffff36ca or c936 Found private key 17: fffffffffffe89b1 or 1764f Found private key 18: fffffffffffcf7f3 or 3080d Found private key 19: fffffffffffa8b61 or 5749f Found private key 20: fffffffffff2d3ab or d2c55 Found private key 21: ffffffffffe45acc or 1ba534 Found private key 22: ffffffffffd21bf1 or 2de40f Found private key 23: ffffffffffaa91ae or 556e52 Found private key 24: ffffffffff23d5fc or dc2a04 Found private key 25: fffffffffe05a11b or 1fa5ee5 Found private key 26: 340326e or 4bfcd92 Found private key 27: 6ac3875 or 953c78b Found private key 28: a6e9318 or d916ce8 Found private key 29: 17e2551e or 181daae2 Found private key 30: 3a6b329c or 3d94cd64 Found private key 31: 7ab018b9 or 7d4fe747 Found private key 32: b79d59d2 or b862a62e Found private key 33: 1a6935728 or 1a96ca8d8 Found private key 34: 34a65911d or 34d9a6ee3 Found private key 35: 4aed21170 or 4b12dee90 Found private key 36: 9de820a7c or 9e17df584 Found private key 37: 1757756a93 or 17588a956d Found private key 38: 2237d05330 or 22382facd0 Found private key 39: 4b5f8303e9 or 4b607cfc17 Found private key 40: e9ae4933d6 or e9b1b6cc2a Found private key 41: 153869acc5b or 153896533a5 Found private key 42: 2a21e3a7271 or 2a221c58d8f Found private key 43: 6bd3b27c591 or 6bd3cd83a6f Found private key 44: e02b35a358f or e02b4a5ca71 Found private key 45: 122fca143c05 or 122fcdebc3fb Found private key 46: 2ec18388d544 or 2ec184772abc Found private key 47: 6cd60f4ac346 or 6cd610b53cba Found private key 48: ade6d7ce3b9b or ade6d831c465 Found private key 49: 174176b015f4d or 174176cfea0b3 Found private key 50: 22bd43bd16cac or 22bd43c2e9354 Found private key 51: 750709e5ff62c or 75070a1a009d4
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November 21, 2018, 09:46:31 PM 

For the #57 key instead: #define GSTEP (1<<28)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint64_t x;
uint32_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
I use 32 bit for the exponent (32 > 28) and I store only the first 64 bit of the x coordinate (there is a low chance to have a partial collision in a list of 2^28 element, i.e. two different x with the same first 64 bit) > (64 + 32 bit) To avoid any collisions you should use always 256 bit for the x coordinate. And the size of the hash table should be at least two times the size of the list you want to store. With the above in mind how does the other guy's program work for the first 51 with only uint32_t x; instead of 64?? Mostly curious.




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November 21, 2018, 11:57:20 PM Last edit: November 22, 2018, 12:14:47 AM by arulbero 

For the #57 key instead: #define GSTEP (1<<28)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint64_t x;
uint32_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
I use 32 bit for the exponent (32 > 28) and I store only the first 64 bit of the x coordinate (there is a low chance to have a partial collision in a list of 2^28 element, i.e. two different x with the same first 64 bit) > (64 + 32 bit) To avoid any collisions you should use always 256 bit for the x coordinate. And the size of the hash table should be at least two times the size of the list you want to store. With the above in mind how does the other guy's program work for the first 51 with only uint32_t x; instead of 64?? Mostly curious. Because I oversimplified my explanation to avoid technical details. GSTEP 2^25 HASHSIZE 2^26 hash table is for one list of 2^25 public keys (baby steps) the second list of 2^25 public keys (giant steps) is computed and compaired with the first one "on fly" (no memory) Take the x coordinate of a public key: xst (256 bit) and split it: xst.n[0] 64 bit xst.n[1] 64 bit xst.n[2] 64 bit xst.n[3] 64 bit the index of the table (entry) is 26 bit of xst.n[0] if that entry is already occupied, use xst.n[1] to modify the index (this way you avoid collisions between elements in the hash table) instead of the entire x, x = 32 bit of xst.n[2] exponent = i (which step it is, to retrieve the private key to that public key) for (size_t i = 1; i < GSTEP; i++) { secp256k1_fe x,zinv; secp256k1_fe_storage xst; secp256k1_fe_inv_var(&zinv, &pt.z); secp256k1_fe_sqr(&zinv, &zinv); secp256k1_fe_mul(&x, &pt.x, &zinv); secp256k1_fe_to_storage(&xst, &x); uint32_t entry = xst.n[0] & (HASH_SIZE1); while (table[entry].exponent != 0) { entry = (entry + (xst.n[1]  1)) & (HASH_SIZE  1); } table[entry].exponent = i; table[entry].x = xst.n[2]; secp256k1_gej_add_ge_var(&pt, &pt, &secp256k1_ge_const_g, NULL); }
This program uses at least 26 + 32 bit = 58 bit of each public key that is in the hash table (but 26 bit are the position in the memory, so it stores effectively only 32 bit of the key in the table + 32 bit for the exponent, the private key) . Then it generates the second list (giant steps). A wrong collision between an element of this list and a element in the table can occur only if 2 public keys share exactly 58 bit (let's say for semplicity the first 58 bit, but they are not adjacent). To find a 51 bit key then 32 bit for the x coordinate is enough. If you need to retrieve a 60 bit private key or more, you should use more space.




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November 22, 2018, 03:14:05 AM 

For the #57 key instead: #define GSTEP (1<<28)
typedef struct hashtable_entry {
uint64_t x;
uint32_t exponent;
} hashtable_entry;
#define HASH_SIZE (2*GSTEP)
hashtable_entry table[HASH_SIZE];
I use 32 bit for the exponent (32 > 28) and I store only the first 64 bit of the x coordinate (there is a low chance to have a partial collision in a list of 2^28 element, i.e. two different x with the same first 64 bit) > (64 + 32 bit) To avoid any collisions you should use always 256 bit for the x coordinate. And the size of the hash table should be at least two times the size of the list you want to store. With the above in mind how does the other guy's program work for the first 51 with only uint32_t x; instead of 64?? Mostly curious. Because I oversimplified my explanation to avoid technical details. GSTEP 2^25 HASHSIZE 2^26 hash table is for one list of 2^25 public keys (baby steps) the second list of 2^25 public keys (giant steps) is computed and compaired with the first one "on fly" (no memory) Take the x coordinate of a public key: xst (256 bit) and split it: xst.n[0] 64 bit xst.n[1] 64 bit xst.n[2] 64 bit xst.n[3] 64 bit the index of the table (entry) is 26 bit of xst.n[0] if that entry is already occupied, use xst.n[1] to modify the index (this way you avoid collisions between elements in the hash table) instead of the entire x, x = 32 bit of xst.n[2] exponent = i (which step it is, to retrieve the private key to that public key) for (size_t i = 1; i < GSTEP; i++) { secp256k1_fe x,zinv; secp256k1_fe_storage xst; secp256k1_fe_inv_var(&zinv, &pt.z); secp256k1_fe_sqr(&zinv, &zinv); secp256k1_fe_mul(&x, &pt.x, &zinv); secp256k1_fe_to_storage(&xst, &x); uint32_t entry = xst.n[0] & (HASH_SIZE1); while (table[entry].exponent != 0) { entry = (entry + (xst.n[1]  1)) & (HASH_SIZE  1); } table[entry].exponent = i; table[entry].x = xst.n[2]; secp256k1_gej_add_ge_var(&pt, &pt, &secp256k1_ge_const_g, NULL); }
This program uses at least 26 + 32 bit = 58 bit of each public key that is in the hash table (but 26 bit are the position in the memory, so it stores effectively only 32 bit of the key in the table + 32 bit for the exponent, the private key) . Then it generates the second list (giant steps). A wrong collision between an element of this list and a element in the table can occur only if 2 public keys share exactly 58 bit (let's say for semplicity the first 58 bit, but they are not adjacent). To find a 51 bit key then 32 bit for the x coordinate is enough. If you need to retrieve a 60 bit private key or more, you should use more space. Thank you! Honestly when I first looked at this thread it was because "whaaaat puzzle? free bitcoin?" *robble robble* but it has prompted me to learn, and reinvigorated this old fellas mind.




