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January 04, 2016, 03:25:05 AM
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I thought it was a good day to do some research.

Starting with Betcoin.AG.

The used a template for their website and started a signature campaign.
So far no good. No respectable company would use a 10 dollar template but the big boys of betcoin.ag did.

This got me curious an i checked their whois.
https://www.instra.com/en/whois/whois-result/betcoin_ag

_______________________________________________________________________________ ______________

And they used a company who offers privacy for the owners called gandi.
Registrant ID:SL9759-GANDI
Registrant Name:Stephen Lee
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1:Obfuscated whois Gandi-63-65 boulevard Massena
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Obfuscated whois Gandi-Paris
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:75013
Registrant Country:FR
Registrant Phone:+33.170377666
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+33.143730576
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:8675acd1b1577fd555df499e5696ce2b-4060910@contact.gandi.net

Which is interesting. Would a honest company hide their identity?
Nope!

So Iproceeded and found out the .ag is a
.ag is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Antigua and Barbuda.

A scammers safe haven.
_______________________________________________________________________________ ______________

So    my fellow gambling friends this company decided to stay anonymous so they can dissapear quickly.
Question is, will the bitcoin community let them or should we ask them for a official company details. Operation without a official registration is illegal in ALL countries.

In most countries it's illegal to have a gambling operation without a proper licence.

As it is mr Betcoin.ag.
On your website there is no proper license nor company details about your 'gambling' company.

Since you are so new and there is no information about company you operate illegal.

Sure you can forget some official papers, but it seems you are the next scam going to happen.
In case you can't answer my questions, I stormed to make a twitter account:
https://twitter.com/StormiXzc/status/683851287595626496

King regards,
Eddy

P.S. Legit questions from a concerned member. I hope the mods don't have to move this to the scam accusation thread.

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January 04, 2016, 03:32:58 AM
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Interesting .

Why would Antigua and Barbuda be a scammers safe haven?

I thought I recognised the template. As soon as I saw it, I turned away and went back to crypto-games  Grin

This is why you should always stay with a trusted casino, like primedice or another.
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January 04, 2016, 03:39:00 AM
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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quite a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

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January 04, 2016, 03:40:54 AM
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Interesting .

Why would Antigua and Barbuda be a scammers safe haven?

I thought I recognised the template. As soon as I saw it, I turned away and went back to crypto-games  Grin

This is why you should always stay with a trusted casino, like primedice or another.

Well as a matter of fact, they are the next in line of my trust. Did made some printscreens and the shebang.

But yeah it's a scheme.

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January 04, 2016, 03:43:20 AM
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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

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January 04, 2016, 03:52:04 AM
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Thomas listen up. Most of these sites are scammers.

Your 'reseach' is ok but new sites here who prefer to stay anonymous are just like newbie accounts.
It doesn't matter.. at all

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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

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January 04, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
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Your research is on par with a 5 year old.  Anyone with half a brain could figure out everything you presented.  Not only that, but some of your accusations are wrong.

They are not new and did not just launch as you have insinuated.  They have been around for years and have done nothing short of showing the highest quality customer service in the industry.  If you compare their customer service to other sites, you will find they put most others to shame.  Their signature campaign that you docked them for has only been around for 2 months.  They have built a huge customer base without using a signature campaign, but started getting into that recently.

So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are.  Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly.  Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.

So in conclusion, you did maybe 5 minutes of research and made a quick post about it.  If you have any evidence or proof of a scam, please present it, otherwise you have nothing and this is coming across as someone as a chip on their shoulder.  Did you lose some money there or something?


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January 04, 2016, 04:16:59 AM
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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind Nitrogensports.

Excellent, i got some questions about their legitimacy
1) Do they have a licence?
2) Why are they protection their company information in the whois and even on their website?


@Peeps Place I saw that your alt account made a trust review a while ago just before going offline
"How does this guy not have tons of trust considering what he does for the bitcoin/gambling community? "

Two weeks later he went dark so his published review is a little bit weird. the same kind of weird since you don't answer the above questions.

I prefer some solid information so please respond to the above questions.

Thanks though..


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January 04, 2016, 04:22:14 AM
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Your research is on par with a 5 year old.  Anyone with half a brain could figure out everything you presented.  Not only that, but some of your accusations are wrong.

They are not new and did not just launch as you have insinuated.  They have been around for years and have done nothing short of showing the highest quality customer service in the industry.  If you compare their customer service to other sites, you will find they put most others to shame.  Their signature campaign that you docked them for has only been around for 2 months.  They have built a huge customer base without using a signature campaign, but started getting into that recently.

So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are.  Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly.  Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.

So in conclusion, you did maybe 5 minutes of research and made a quick post about it.  If you have any evidence or proof of a scam, please present it, otherwise you have nothing and this is coming across as someone as a chip on their shoulder.  Did you lose some money there or something?

Well in fact i never said it took hours did i?

At this moment i am very very interested whether they have a license and why they chose to wanted to stay dark.
You know having no contact information is illegal in most countries.

So enlighten me.
1) Do they have a license if yes give me their number
2) A solid reason why ther is no contact information on their website?

and i would be happy to delete this thread/ apologize

P.S. Your signature says it all dumbass, 2 solid questions.
P.P.S. IF you are a fanboy selling your ass for less then 50 USD a week, don't

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January 04, 2016, 04:38:36 AM
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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind Nitrogensports.

Excellent, i got some questions about their legitimacy
1) Do they have a licence?
2) Why are they protection their company information in the whois and even on their website?


@Peeps Place I saw that your alt account made a trust review a while ago just before going offline
"How does this guy not have tons of trust considering what he does for the bitcoin/gambling community? "

Two weeks later he went dark so his published review is a little bit weird. the same kind of weird since you don't answer the above questions.

I prefer some solid information so please respond to the above questions.

Thanks though..


I don't have an alternate account that made a trust review.

It's best that Betcoinsports, or others, answer your questions as I don't want to speak for them. The review thread also has poster's opinions.

One thing that I would like to add is that most pure bitcoin books do not have any type of license. Payout history and longevity are a litmus test for bitcoin books.

It's different than fiat books located in Europe where a license is necessary.

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January 04, 2016, 04:41:46 AM
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@debitme you are willing so sell your reputation fo r51 dollars.
Wow that's cheap.

So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are.  Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly.  Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.

Templates are uses for companies who start (see my OP) not my companies who exist... 2.5 years.

I can make another thread if you like. Legendary selling it's rep for 51 usd?

Wow once more after master P it's proven rank here doesn't count anymore...

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January 04, 2016, 04:42:40 AM
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Your research is on par with a 5 year old.  Anyone with half a brain could figure out everything you presented.  Not only that, but some of your accusations are wrong.

They are not new and did not just launch as you have insinuated.  They have been around for years and have done nothing short of showing the highest quality customer service in the industry.  If you compare their customer service to other sites, you will find they put most others to shame.  Their signature campaign that you docked them for has only been around for 2 months.  They have built a huge customer base without using a signature campaign, but started getting into that recently.

So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are.  Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly.  Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.

So in conclusion, you did maybe 5 minutes of research and made a quick post about it.  If you have any evidence or proof of a scam, please present it, otherwise you have nothing and this is coming across as someone as a chip on their shoulder.  Did you lose some money there or something?

Well in fact i never said it took hours did i?

At this moment i am very very interested whether they have a license and why they chose to wanted to stay dark.
You know having no contact information is illegal in most countries.

So enlighten me.
1) Do they have a license if yes give me their number
2) A solid reason why ther is no contact information on their website?

and i would be happy to delete this thread/ apologize

P.S. Your signature says it all dumbass, 2 solid questions.
P.P.S. IF you are a fanboy selling your ass for less then 50 USD a week, don't

There are ways to figure out if they have a license without throwing threads around.  I personally don't know if they do, if I remember correctly, they didn't need one where they operated out of, but that's something you can easily send in a support request for.  Then you can have something to go on, but you may want to extend your sleuthing abilities to the other bitcoin gambling sites as well, because I guarantee that not a single one will have the type of license your looking for.

My signature says nothing.  They offered to pay me to put an advertisement in my signature.  I have played there for years and have never had an issue and decided to let them.  If you looked back, you would see that I have been in over 10 different signature campaigns for all manner of sites.  So I am no fanboy, I am simply a satisfied customer who will defend a site who has done nothing to open up accusations.  Had you opened this thread against Primedice or any other site, I would still be posting in opposition because you haven't really done any work in your investigation.  It seems like you have some reason why you are attacking Betcoin since I find it weird that you just happened to choose them first when there are literally TONS of other sites that show much clearer red flags that you could be going after.


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They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.







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January 04, 2016, 04:50:53 AM
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They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.

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They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.

Don't be too hard on yourself, you were close.  Its the Winning Poker Network (WPN), here's the website
http://www.winningpokernetwork.com/
Betcoin is a part of this network.


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January 04, 2016, 04:54:39 AM
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They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.

Don't be too hard on yourself, you were close.  Its the Winning Poker Network (WPN), here's the website
http://www.winningpokernetwork.com/
Betcoin is a part of this network.
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January 04, 2016, 04:57:16 AM
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Betcoin.ag is a strong book with a big customer base. There are quit a few top books located in unregulated jurisdictions.

That's making a lot of sense.
A strong book while just launching?

Being anonymous and having a hero account to back it up.
DDude it's 2016 that don't count anymore.

Give us some solid proof they are legit. Since they are to ''busy''

They opened 2.5 years ago with a strong payout history. Any payouts taking over 15 minutes should be reported here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 .

They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind Nitrogensports.

Excellent, i got some questions about their legitimacy
1) Do they have a licence?
2) Why are they protection their company information in the whois and even on their website?


@Peeps Place I saw that your alt account made a trust review a while ago just before going offline
"How does this guy not have tons of trust considering what he does for the bitcoin/gambling community? "

Two weeks later he went dark so his published review is a little bit weird. the same kind of weird since you don't answer the above questions.

I prefer some solid information so please respond to the above questions.

Thanks though..


I don't have an alternate account that made a trust review.

It's best that Betcoinsports, or others, answer your questions as I don't want to speak for them. The review thread also has poster's opinions.

One thing that I would like to add is that most pure bitcoin books do not have any type of license. Payout history and longevity are a litmus test for bitcoin books.

It's different than fiat books located in Europe where a license is necessary.

Like I said there's no need for you explaining things here.. it  don't matter since you are not a legit spokesperson..
Why are you wasting my time mr. fake review on your BCT account?

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They have a poker room in the World Poker Network. Betcoin.ag also uses the URL Betcoinsports.com.

They are the second rated bitcoin sportsbook using a conglomerate of analytic metrics behind only Nitrogensports.

There is no such thing as the "World Poker Network".  You clearly haven't done any research on them if you don't even know what network they are on.

I don't deal with poker rooms or casinos, just sportsbooks. Sorry if I misspoke about their poker room and shouldn't have mentioned it.

Don't be too hard on yourself, you were close.  Its the Winning Poker Network (WPN), here's the website
http://www.winningpokernetwork.com/
Betcoin is a part of this network.

It's actually not a part of that network.  It is a part of WTN, the Winning Tournament Network.  Which means that they are allowed to give WPN money in order to have access to their tournaments, nothing more nothing less.







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January 04, 2016, 05:01:33 AM
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Your research is on par with a 5 year old.  Anyone with half a brain could figure out everything you presented.  Not only that, but some of your accusations are wrong.

They are not new and did not just launch as you have insinuated.  They have been around for years and have done nothing short of showing the highest quality customer service in the industry.  If you compare their customer service to other sites, you will find they put most others to shame.  Their signature campaign that you docked them for has only been around for 2 months.  They have built a huge customer base without using a signature campaign, but started getting into that recently.

So, you are challenging others to "prove" why they aren't a scam, but haven't presented much showing that they are.  Every single accusation against them for payouts or anything is resolved smoothly and quickly.  Their "template"(That they heavily modified) is also used by the exchange launched by, crap I forget his name, some big celebrity that just launched their own sports betting website.

So in conclusion, you did maybe 5 minutes of research and made a quick post about it.  If you have any evidence or proof of a scam, please present it, otherwise you have nothing and this is coming across as someone as a chip on their shoulder.  Did you lose some money there or something?

Well in fact i never said it took hours did i?

At this moment i am very very interested whether they have a license and why they chose to wanted to stay dark.
You know having no contact information is illegal in most countries.

So enlighten me.
1) Do they have a license if yes give me their number
2) A solid reason why ther is no contact information on their website?

and i would be happy to delete this thread/ apologize

P.S. Your signature says it all dumbass, 2 solid questions.
P.P.S. IF you are a fanboy selling your ass for less then 50 USD a week, don't

There are ways to figure out if they have a license without throwing threads around.  I personally don't know if they do, if I remember correctly, they didn't need one where they operated out of, but that's something you can easily send in a support request for.  Then you can have something to go on, but you may want to extend your sleuthing abilities to the other bitcoin gambling sites as well, because I guarantee that not a single one will have the type of license your looking for.

My signature says nothing.  They offered to pay me to put an advertisement in my signature.  I have played there for years and have never had an issue and decided to let them.  If you looked back, you would see that I have been in over 10 different signature campaigns for all manner of sites.  So I am no fanboy, I am simply a satisfied customer who will defend a site who has done nothing to open up accusations.  Had you opened this thread against Primedice or any other site, I would still be posting in opposition because you haven't really done any work in your investigation.  It seems like you have some reason why you are attacking Betcoin since I find it weird that you just happened to choose them first when there are literally TONS of other sites that show much clearer red flags that you could be going after.

Well we got another one from the UK Spokesmen:
http://imgur.com/Usdgn7q


Idiot, the fact your and mr. fake review here even are responding is because you are on their payroll.

Remember the part where I mentioned 51 dollar.. that's you.

So please let management respond
Why betcoin.ag have not a license
Hide their company information which is illegal.

LOL did betcoin.ag really think I would stop asking question after a hero member replied.

How sad...


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