Optiona is allways good. 16nm ASIC, 100w/THS 0.1J/GH on wall. MAX: 31THS/miner!!

[matt4054]

Why not give it a shot over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.0 ?

If only their hardware could be bought at ROI-able price...

They do really great ASICs, but mostly for themselves.

As for this miner, with such generic information and at 5 months of halving, it's dubious IMHO and I would not risk any preorder...

[dogie]

So at this point in time this is just an idea. You have taken the Bitfury spec, done a small amount of maths, nocked up a graphic that bears no relationship to the final product and started a thread?

He has Bitfury's documentation, chips soon. This is a guy that has made plenty of previous miners so its not as if its just that rendering. As he said (and I said previously), its a mockup of the formfactor and nothing more.

[RichBC]

So at this point in time this is just an idea. You have taken the Bitfury spec, done a small amount of maths, nocked up a graphic that bears no relationship to the final product and started a thread?

He has Bitfury's documentation, chips soon. This is a guy that has made plenty of previous miners so its not as if its just that rendering. As he said (and I said previously), its a mockup of the formfactor and nothing more.

All of that may well be true, but for those of us who are new we constantly have beaten into us by the old hands not to trust anything that does not look right, or has very little to back up claims being made.

So if this is from an experienced Miner Manufacturer they should know better than to produce some useless and misleading graphics.  If they have Bitfury Documentation they should be able to use that to put together specifications and drawing that are far more credible than this.


Rich

[kilo17]

So at this point in time this is just an idea. You have taken the Bitfury spec, done a small amount of maths, nocked up a graphic that bears no relationship to the final product and started a thread?

He has Bitfury's documentation, chips soon. This is a guy that has made plenty of previous miners so its not as if its just that rendering. As he said (and I said previously), its a mockup of the formfactor and nothing more.

Can we see the purchase order from Bitfury?  How about the documentation?  You state "He has the Bitfury Documentation, chips soon", how do you know?

[QuintLeo]

the other supplier miner price may be dropped to competive with us. but new asic is not like one piece of cake. so, in next coming 6 months, only this aisc can do  100W/THS .

 By April, (quite a bit LESS than the 6 months you claim) I anticipate there will be more than one chip that can achieve that 100W/TH at the miner level.
 I am NOT counting KnC as they don't sell to the public ever.
 I am NOT counting 21etc, which seems to think that stupid "bitcoin computer" is worth selling.
 I am NOT counting BitFury lightbulbs.
 I am ONLY counting companies with a good history achieving their stated performance with reliable equipment and a stated intent to sell to small/home miners.

 I won't be entirely shocked if it's 3 companies meeting that target by April, and would bet a small sum on at least 3 making and selling miners in that range TO THE PUBLIC by 6 months from now (assuming the OP actually sells something real, not bad CAD pictures with specs that don't match the chip they claim they are using).

 Bitmain already has mentioned working on 14/16nm full custom, though no specific details yet (they want to push as much S7 as they can while it's still a viable product).

 If this machine was real and available in the next MONTH, it would probably be a ground-breaker - 3 months from now it should be playing catch-up, 6 months from now it WILL be playing catch-up.

 

[dogie]

the other supplier miner price may be dropped to competive with us. but new asic is not like one piece of cake. so, in next coming 6 months, only this aisc can do  100W/THS .

I am NOT counting 21etc, which seems to think that stupid "bitcoin computer" is worth selling.

21inc do have efficient chips hashing away in traditional miners. But VC money = "look how we're innovating and leading the market" yada yada so all we get to see is the RaspberryPis mining machines.

[64dimensions]

Here is my parsing of the situation:

Bitfury has mining centers or not with 16nm tech.

If they do have mining centers with 16nm tech, they can't loan one unit from the thousands that are mining for promotion? They can't even produce promotional material from one of the thousands of units? Even if they don't like LightingASIC, Bitfury can't loan a unit to a reseller they consider reputable?

The only conclusion that I can come up with that doesn't reflect badly on Bitfury, is that the 16nm tech miner is still under development or being prototyped.

[marvykkio]

We need action, not just words

[QuintLeo]

Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.

[RichBC]

Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.

But they have also specified a lower 140GH/s v 184GH/s rating for an air cooled chip.


Rich

[Searing]

Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.

yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say

http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/52211

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc

[J4bberwock]

Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.

yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say

http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/52211

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc

The boards designed for immersion won't be usable for air cooling unless they wasted a lot of space on them (very unlikely when you know the cost of a large scale immersion cooling setup).
The power dissipation needed to cool such a dense amount of chips is really hard to reach with air cooling unless you underclock (not profitable considering the cost of the chips).

Boards made for air cooling, on the other hand, can be used in immersion, the power density won't be optimal, and you'll have a harder time to recoup the initial investment, that's all.

If they wanted to demo the chips, they could simply use a smaller acrylic tank with one or two blades like the ones we use for prototyping.
I'm not sure they want (need?) to advertise.

[Searing]

Bitfury is using immersion tech in it's new mining center(s), per at least 2 announcements I've seen from them.

 NOT applicable to a home miner.

yeah ..they just run slower if not in immersion see this link...supposedly you may get some of these chips 'someday' er so they say

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitfury-to-mass-produce-new-nm-chip-and-sell-to-public-1452010171

note link above you get more with oil cooling then w/o ...but they still seem to work ..just not as good

but again will probably get these chips in a home device LONG LONG after it makes any sense to do so..with continued expected 'mad' difficulty rises due

to massive data halls etc

The boards designed for immersion won't be usable for air cooling unless they wasted a lot of space on them (very unlikely when you know the cost of a large scale immersion cooling setup).
The power dissipation needed to cool such a dense amount of chips is really hard to reach with air cooling unless you underclock (not profitable considering the cost of the chips).

Boards made for air cooling, on the other hand, can be used in immersion, the power density won't be optimal, and you'll have a harder time to recoup the initial investment, that's all.

If they wanted to demo the chips, they could simply use a smaller acrylic tank with one or two blades like the ones we use for prototyping.
I'm not sure they want (need?) to advertise.

yeah I'm just going by the above link in the article where they imply you would lose 44gh per chip if you used it in an air cool manner....again their implication...not mine

quote

According to the company’s announcement, for miners using a traditional air cooling setup, the ASIC will be able to reach hashing power of 140 GH/s. However, by using liquid immersion cooling, the chip can reach hashrates of up to 184 GH/s.



from again this link:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitfury-to-mass-produce-new-nm-chip-and-sell-to-public-1452010171

So again ..you could be right...but they leave the reader with the impression that

1) they are wonderful fellows 'decentralizing' and such for 'home miners' and you could ROI (with difficulty pump this could be iffy imho)

2) that home miner makers or themselves can make such miners in an air cooled manner and it would all be 'hunky dory'

Anyway likely by the time they hit the market ...these same chips in their data halls and others they have sold to in bulk will make this whole 'home miner' idea moot

again imho

anyway where I was coming from on the info....but with KNC making another 20 kw setup and bitfury making a 50 kw setting and bitmain doing something the same
and of course spondoolies also I think a 20 kw setup....difficulty for btc will get damn interesting in that they ALL seem to be gonna hit around the same month or so

fun times

[Rabinovitch]

I am willing to do a long write up on this site. with fair and honest photos and results.


My conditions are simple send the demo when it is ready.

 I won't even keep it I would return it or ship it to a customer.

I would just do a fair 7-14 day review.

I will offer even better conditions. I'll pay for this unit, but sure only after getting it in hands and testing for a while. I like to explore something new. And to prove to the community that something is real. 

[-droid-]

This looks promising. Definitely more future proof with halving coming

[Searing]

I am willing to do a long write up on this site. with fair and honest photos and results.


My conditions are simple send the demo when it is ready.

 I won't even keep it I would return it or ship it to a customer.

I would just do a fair 7-14 day review.

I will offer even better conditions. I'll pay for this unit, but sure only after getting it in hands and testing for a while. I like to explore something new. And to prove to the community that something is real. 

Ditto...I've enough cred on bitcointalk I'll do the same...you send me a unit...I'll review it...pay for the unit (unit choice up to you) and then post all over bitcointalk 'eating crow' on
me ever doubting your good intentions

Also would post pics of inside/outside and video of setup etc..I'd be your biggest cheerleader

too bad this don't work...then it would mean there was still hope for me being Natalie Portman's 'Love Puppet' alas but then again the odds are the same imho for getting a yes miner unit to review

[carlosmnk]

We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.

What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7?? 

[RichBC]

We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.

What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7?? 

100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good. 

Rich

[carlosmnk]

We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.

What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7?? 

100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good. 

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me... 

[J4bberwock]

We are back with latest 16nm ASIC,supported by BITFURY.
1, 10THS/miner,
2,100W/THS, 0.25J/GH on wall
3, 4X 6pin PCI-E
4, Gross weight 5KG
5, size: 350x140x155(adjustable according the design)
the price is BTC0.42/THS, fob china.
miner ship at end of march or early April.

What the hell!!
What is that i am reading? the miner will have 0.25J/GH on wall??? the same eficience than a S7?? 

100W /THS is 0.1J/GH and would be very good. 

Rich

Please, look at the first post, they add 0.25J/GH, not me... 

Probably a typo.
Because 4 PCIE plugs will already have some trouble for 1000w, but drawing 600w on each of them is impossible.
Even if it's a typo, I hope they will at least use 6 PCIE plugs for 1000w