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April 23, 2016, 01:02:47 PM
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It seems there's a pretty solid consensus from folks that the contest rules should be changed to enforce a gap of at least 1% between user guesses.  Phil makes a pretty strong argument for it - high hash rate rentals would last longer.  However, on the other side of the coin is LASERminer's argument that not everyone can afford those high hash rate rentals for long periods.

To be honest, I'm pretty much on the fence, and could be argued into either option.  On the one hand, I believe in free choice.  If somebody wants to pick 0.01% higher than me, it's pretty much up to me to pay attention if I've got some giant hash order pointed here.  By that same argument, I might now be scared to rent a large rental because, let's face it, nobody can be paying attention 24/7.  I might miss it when that "zone breaker" sees my giant hash rate and makes a guess just over mine, stealing the winnings.

Phil, in your own "guess the diff" thread you allow users to choose a range of X to Y percent.  That might be a good option here as well with a minimum spread of 1%.  So for example, your guess would be 69.07% to 70.06%.

So, why don't we give that a try and see how it goes.  From now on, your guess will be a range encompassing 1%.  If you only provide a single number, then I will assume that number to be the bottom of the range and your guess will be from that number to number +1% (as shown above, had Phil given me 69.07, his range would be 69.07 - 70.06).  Alternatively, you can provide your own range.  So, if you give me "88.12 - 89.11" then that's what will be recorded.  The limit of your range is 1% (I don't want somebody to be able to claim 82 - 102 for example) Tongue.

OK... let me redo the table with people's latest guesses as ranges.  Obviously, I'm not going to alter guesses that already exist if they are within 1% of each other.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47%47.99%
justchillz49.9%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69%
philipma195769.07%70.06%
dennishh71.17%72.16%
zachmonroe72.8%72.79%
controlhosting74%74.99%
vh75%75.99%
YuenglingDude76%76.99%
mikestang77.7%78.69%
traxor78.5%79.49%
eghigo80.5%81.49%
dsppage81.9%82.89%
carlsberg11283.3%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.3%87.29%
rozo88%88.99%
bit5norba90%90.99%
borachinua92%92.99%
bctmke96.3%97.29%

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April 23, 2016, 01:06:46 PM
Last edit: April 23, 2016, 01:19:36 PM by jonnybravo0311
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Funny... after adjusting the table, there was only a single pick that was too close - and ironically it was Phil jumping in right on top of apederzoli...

OK... you now all own a 1% range.  Good luck to everyone!

PS - I updated the OP to include the new 1% minimum range.

EDIT: It is STILL closest to your range that wins.  For example, if the pool were to find a block right now, dennishh would be the winner even though 71.08% is not in his range.

This will change the next time I run this game.  Next time, to win, the actual value must be within your range to win.  It will follow Phil's contest model.  If there is no winner, then the potential winnings will be added to the next block.

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April 23, 2016, 01:20:45 PM
Last edit: April 23, 2016, 01:33:42 PM by philipma1957
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Not Sure how this was posted as just a quote.

In the meantime I am still running the big rental.


I don't know if I was clear in my explanation.  But  I will try again.

1% of 178,678,307,672 =     1,786,783,076.72  shares   so If all of us  have a 1% spread  as those shares are tacked on  we all have an equal share zone.

So  if the pool is at 10 ph during your share zone  it simply means fast time to go through the zone.

If you are at 100th slow time to go through the zone.

everyone still get 1,786,783,076.72 shares to hit the block.

So it is an equalizer for the poor guy not a handicap to him.

It gets screwy with poaching.  I twice put in a big rental and twice had someone go just above my pick.  I did it myself just now to show the problem.

I put in a new  rental to 1776th

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It seems there's a pretty solid consensus from folks that the contest rules should be changed to enforce a gap of at least 1% between user guesses.  Phil makes a pretty strong argument for it - high hash rate rentals would last longer.  However, on the other side of the coin is LASERminer's argument that not everyone can afford those high hash rate rentals for long periods.

To be honest, I'm pretty much on the fence, and could be argued into either option.  On the one hand, I believe in free choice.  If somebody wants to pick 0.01% higher than me, it's pretty much up to me to pay attention if I've got some giant hash order pointed here.  By that same argument, I might now be scared to rent a large rental because, let's face it, nobody can be paying attention 24/7.  I might miss it when that "zone breaker" sees my giant hash rate and makes a guess just over mine, stealing the winnings.

Phil, in your own "guess the diff" thread you allow users to choose a range of X to Y percent.  That might be a good option here as well with a minimum spread of 1%.  So for example, your guess would be 69.07% to 70.06%.

So, why don't we give that a try and see how it goes.  From now on, your guess will be a range encompassing 1%.  If you only provide a single number, then I will assume that number to be the bottom of the range and your guess will be from that number to number +1% (as shown above, had Phil given me 69.07, his range would be 69.07 - 70.06).  Alternatively, you can provide your own range.  So, if you give me "88.12 - 89.11" then that's what will be recorded.  The limit of your range is 1% (I don't want somebody to be able to claim 82 - 102 for example) Tongue.

OK... let me redo the table with people's latest guesses as ranges.  Obviously, I'm not going to alter guesses that already exist if they are within 1% of each other.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47%47.99%
justchillz49.9%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69%
philipma195769.07%70.06%
dennishh71.17%72.16%
zachmonroe72.8%72.79%
controlhosting74%74.99%
vh75%75.99%
YuenglingDude76%76.99%
mikestang77.7%78.69%
traxor78.5%79.49%
eghigo80.5%81.49%
dsppage81.9%82.89%
carlsberg11283.3%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.3%87.29%
rozo88%88.99%
bit5norba90%90.99%
borachinua92%92.99%
bctmke96.3%97.29%

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April 23, 2016, 01:28:16 PM
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1% range sounds good to me, except you got mine going in the wrong direction.  Cheesy

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1% range sounds good to me, except you got mine going in the wrong direction.  Cheesy
HAHAHA!  Sorry about that Smiley  Not enough coffee yet.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47%47.99%
justchillz49.9%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69%
philipma195769.07%70.06%
dennishh71.17%72.16%
zachmonroe72.8%73.79%
controlhosting74%74.99%
vh75%75.99%
YuenglingDude76%76.99%
mikestang77.7%78.69%
traxor78.5%79.49%
eghigo80.5%81.49%
dsppage81.9%82.89%
carlsberg11283.3%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.3%87.29%
rozo88%88.99%
bit5norba90%90.99%
borachinua92%92.99%
bctmke96.3%97.29%

Fixed that for ya Smiley

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April 23, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
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I just went to 94 as I passed the top end of the range of my last pick.


my rental is now at 1776th for an hour.

this would make dennish the winner if it hits.

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April 23, 2016, 01:49:32 PM
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I just went to 94 as I passed the top end of the range of my last pick.


my rental is now at 1776th for an hour.

this would make dennish the winner if it hits.

Since you only provided a single number, I'm going to put your range as 94 - 94.99.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47.00%47.99%
justchillz49.90%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69.00%69.99%
dennishh71.17%72.16%
zachmonroe72.80%73.79%
controlhosting74.00%74.99%
vh75.00%75.99%
YuenglingDude76.00%76.99%
mikestang77.70%78.69%
traxor78.50%79.49%
eghigo80.50%81.49%
dsppage81.90%82.89%
carlsberg11283.30%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.30%87.29%
rozo88.00%88.99%
bit5norba90.00%90.99%
borachinua92.00%92.99%
philipma195794.00%94.99%
bctmke96.30%97.29%

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I just went to 94 as I passed the top end of the range of my last pick.


my rental is now at 1776th for an hour.

this would make dennish the winner if it hits.

Since you only provided a single number, I'm going to put your range as 94 - 94.99.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47.00%47.99%
justchillz49.90%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69.00%69.99%
dennishh71.17%72.16%
zachmonroe72.80%73.79%
controlhosting74.00%74.99%
vh75.00%75.99%
YuenglingDude76.00%76.99%
mikestang77.70%78.69%
traxor78.50%79.49%
eghigo80.50%81.49%
dsppage81.90%82.89%
carlsberg11283.30%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.30%87.29%
rozo88.00%88.99%
bit5norba90.00%90.99%
borachinua92.00%92.99%
philipma195794.00%94.99%
bctmke96.30%97.29%

that works. my big order is still working for dennish

 I will keep it going for zachmonroe

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April 23, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
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Seems fair, the new changes to the rules!
My new pick would be 91% range, please add to the list.
Good luck to all, hope somebody finds a block soon :-P
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April 23, 2016, 04:20:14 PM
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I am now mining for zachmonroe

and myself  and the pool Roll Eyes

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i like the new rules, I have done rentals 3 times now. 5-7PH last night but for only 30min or so since the zone was so small. I don't mind doing unlimited HN rentals but needs at least a 1% zone, 2 would be better since that much hash will fly through 1-2 percent.

Anyway, thanks for the updates and expect another unlimited rental when my zone comes up.

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Seems fair, the new changes to the rules!
My new pick would be 91% range, please add to the list.
Good luck to all, hope somebody finds a block soon :-P


User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47.00%47.99%
justchillz49.90%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
LASERminer66.25%67.24%
apederzoli69.00%69.99%
zachmonroe72.80%73.79%
controlhosting74.00%74.99%
vh75.00%75.99%
YuenglingDude76.00%76.99%
mikestang77.70%78.69%
traxor78.50%79.49%
eghigo80.50%81.49%
dsppage81.90%82.89%
carlsberg11283.30%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.30%87.29%
rozo88.00%88.99%
bit5norba90.00%90.99%
dennishh91.00%91.99%
borachinua92.00%92.99%
philipma195794.00%94.99%
bctmke96.30%97.29%

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April 23, 2016, 04:39:05 PM
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My rental is just about done ..  If we get to 94% I will rent again.

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New pick is 95%
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If I understand correctly new rules are to pick a zone within available gaps?
At least one pick is overlapping (mikestang up to 78.69% while traxor starts from 78.50%) or table needs correction?

I am not arguing against new rules just want clarification because game has changed from pick spot in biggest gap to.... find any free gap at all.
Therefore please fit me... in nearest gap = 79.50% to 80.49% before it's gone Wink

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I have just moved an S5 onto the EU server. I'll keep an eye on it to see how things go but so far so good.

My pool user is GoJonnyGo.

I would like to register my pick of 98%.

Thank you.

EDIT - My reported Hashrate and Diff are jumping around a bit. Has the EU server the same var diff rules as the main pool?
          It has only been half an hour so I hope it will settle down.

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New pick is 95%

If I understand correctly new rules are to pick a zone within available gaps?
At least one pick is overlapping (mikestang up to 78.69% while traxor starts from 78.50%) or table needs correction?

I am not arguing against new rules just want clarification because game has changed from pick spot in biggest gap to.... find any free gap at all.
Therefore please fit me... in nearest gap = 79.50% to 80.49% before it's gone Wink

And I wish everybody good luck to find The Block even before my pick!

I missed the overlap... but since those picks happened before the rule change, they stand as is.  If the block is found during that time, both mikestang and traxor will split the prize.

I have just moved an S5 onto the EU server. I'll keep an eye on it to see how things go but so far so good.

My pool user is GoJonnyGo.

I would like to register my pick of 98%.

Thank you.

EDIT - My reported Hashrate and Diff are jumping around a bit. Has the EU server the same var diff rules as the main pool?
          It has only been half an hour so I hope it will settle down.

The rules are exactly the same for both stratum servers.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47.00%47.99%
justchillz49.90%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
zachmonroe72.80%73.79%
controlhosting74.00%74.99%
vh75.00%75.99%
YuenglingDude76.00%76.99%
mikestang77.70%78.69%
traxor78.50%79.49%
LASERminer79.50%80.49%
eghigo80.50%81.49%
dsppage81.90%82.89%
carlsberg11283.30%84.29%
OneInchWonder86.30%87.29%
rozo88.00%88.99%
bit5norba90.00%90.99%
dennishh91.00%91.99%
borachinua92.00%92.99%
philipma195794.00%94.99%
apederzoli95.00%95.99%
bctmke96.30%97.29%
GoJonnyGo98.00%98.99%

Picks updated.  Good luck everyone!

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I'll take 85.30 to 86.29 now.  Grin

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I'll take 85.3 to 86.29 now.

User NameLow PercentageHigh Percentage
abmonstein47.00%47.99%
justchillz49.90%50.89%
Songminer61.28%62.27%
controlhosting74.00%74.99%
vh75.00%75.99%
YuenglingDude76.00%76.99%
mikestang77.70%78.69%
traxor78.50%79.49%
LASERminer79.50%80.49%
eghigo80.50%81.49%
dsppage81.90%82.89%
carlsberg11283.30%84.29%
zachmonroe85.30%86.29%
OneInchWonder86.30%87.29%
rozo88.00%88.99%
bit5norba90.00%90.99%
dennishh91.00%91.99%
borachinua92.00%92.99%
philipma195794.00%94.99%
apederzoli95.00%95.99%
bctmke96.30%97.29%
GoJonnyGo98.00%98.99%

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I missed the overlap... but since those picks happened before the rule change, they stand as is.  If the block is found during that time, both mikestang and traxor will split the prize.

ANYTIME I'm grouped with someone as smart as Mikestang -- I'm honored...

I'm hoping that we get to split the prize!!! Grin

Requesting further clarification from a travel weary miner -- IF there is no guess between my 1% and the next highest number -- does that mean that the prize is given to no one?  Or does it go to the closest?  Or does it roll over into the NEXT block???



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