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[danieldaniel]

I have asked around and could not find anyone who could dispute his claim that a moneypak cannot get reversed after declaring ownership.  I also have not found any evidence that having the receipt can stop an account from getting closed.  Perhaps more people will comment on this

Has anyone provided the receipt to GD and had their account closed or kept open? that would be good to know.

There is a risk that Greendot will question the origin of the MP and close the account of the person who loads the funds.

If you say you didn't buy the mp at the store, that's the one way it might be reversed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115047.msg1260707#msg1260707.  

Link is about a person who loaded questionable MP and did NOT have it reversed, nice try though, keep looking. also about people who give codes away and can NOT get the money back.
Go Away Jerky

I just proved you wrong by my test with BCB.  He just said that he got contacted by PayPal and that they said that there was a claim by MP.

SO, it CAN be reversed.

Problem solved.

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[MoneypakTrader.com]

BCB told GD/MP/PP that the MP was a gift.
Thus supporting the theory that it is possible to have a reversal if the recipient tells the company they don't own the MP.

Bottom line for customers - don't say it's not your MP or it might get reversed.

[ruggedman_dan]

MoneyPakTrader

I have a greendot card and I am open and willing to do biz with you...

...for 20% over spot.

That's my offer. Doesn't seem like too many others on here are willing to rock with you, so you gonna play ball or not?

Let me know.

[Tomatocage]

I don't understand why if you have all this money to load up peoples debit cards with, why were you in Lending just a few days ago asking for a loan?

[MoneypakTrader.com]

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[sethsethseth]

I have verified this is not a scam.  MoneypakTrader loaded my card with $300 and it was not disputed with greendot.  Danieldaniel is out of control.  Moneypak can only be reversed if you deny ownership of the moneypak, as BCB did.  There are lots of retarded people who don't know any better or don't care, who pay huge markups to trade moneypaks for bitcoins.

My thread buying moneypaks is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105179.0

[danieldaniel]

I have verified this is not a scam.  MoneypakTrader loaded my card with $300 and it was not disputed with greendot.  Danieldaniel is out of control.  Moneypak can only be reversed if you deny ownership of the moneypak, as BCB did.  There are lots of retarded people who don't know any better or don't care, who pay huge markups to trade moneypaks for bitcoins.

My thread buying moneypaks is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105179.0

*sigh*.  BCB didn't deny ownership of the MP.  He made that up, just like the rest of everything.

Even *IF*, and that's a BIG if, this is not a scam, it's money laundering.  Read his offers.  It's so damn obvious.

EDIT:  Also, he can dispute it for _months_ after the trade.  Just like paypal.

[DannyM]

I have verified this is not a scam.  MoneypakTrader loaded my card with $300 and it was not disputed with greendot.  

Lots of people verified that pirateat40 was not a scam dozens of times. I can personally verify that George W. Bush is immortal because out of all the times he has been observed, he hasn't died once.

[sethsethseth]

Me to BCB:  "did you tell greendot it was your moneypak?"
BCB:  "No.  I could have pushed harder, but didn't want to get danieldaniel in trouble."

Lots of people have ratings over 150 on OTC.  Does this mean I would trust them with half a million like those idiots did with pirate?  LOL.  The web of trust is just an indicator, not proof that someone won't run with $500k USD.  I only verified it is not a scam in that he actually had a $300 moneypak to load and did not immediately phone GreenDot to dispute.  I could care less if he disputes now as there is no money left on the card.

Since when is "money laundering" with bitcoins bad behavior on OTC deserving a -5 rating daniel?  This has nothing to do with you.  There are people who openly mix coins.  Do they deserve -5's?  I have mixed coins before.  Do I deserve -5?

[danieldaniel]

Me to BCB:  "did you tell greendot it was your moneypak?"
BCB:  "No.  I could have pushed harder, but didn't want to get danieldaniel in trouble."

Lots of people have ratings over 150 on OTC.  Does this mean I would trust them with half a million like those idiots did with pirate?  LOL.  The web of trust is just an indicator, not proof that someone won't run with $500k USD.  I only verified it is not a scam in that he actually had a $300 moneypak to load and did not immediately phone GreenDot to dispute.  I could care less if he disputes now as there is no money left on the card.

Since when is "money laundering" with bitcoins bad behavior on OTC deserving a -5 rating daniel?  This has nothing to do with you.  There are people who openly mix coins.  Do they deserve -5's?  I have mixed coins before.  Do I deserve -5?

Mixing coins != money laundering.  Money laundering is hiding CRIMINAL (drug) money.

He has OPENLY admitted to being a drug dealer on SR.  He is using this to launder money.

Would you trust an international criminal?  That's the reason for the -5.

EDIT:
Also, he said it was a gift.  How can anyone say it's their moneypak without a receipt?  They wouldn't have believed him anyways, unless he had a reciept.

[sethsethseth]

Me to BCB:  "did you tell greendot it was your moneypak?"
BCB:  "No.  I could have pushed harder, but didn't want to get danieldaniel in trouble."

Lots of people have ratings over 150 on OTC.  Does this mean I would trust them with half a million like those idiots did with pirate?  LOL.  The web of trust is just an indicator, not proof that someone won't run with $500k USD.  I only verified it is not a scam in that he actually had a $300 moneypak to load and did not immediately phone GreenDot to dispute.  I could care less if he disputes now as there is no money left on the card.

Since when is "money laundering" with bitcoins bad behavior on OTC deserving a -5 rating daniel?  This has nothing to do with you.  There are people who openly mix coins.  Do they deserve -5's?  I have mixed coins before.  Do I deserve -5?

Mixing coins != money laundering.  Money laundering is hiding CRIMINAL (drug) money.

He has OPENLY admitted to being a drug dealer on SR.  He is using this to launder money.

Would you trust an international criminal?  That's the reason for the -5.

EDIT:
Also, he said it was a gift.  How can anyone say it's their moneypak without a receipt?  They wouldn't have believed him anyways, unless he had a reciept.

So you think greendot expects people to hang onto the receipt forever in case of dispute?  I throw the receipt and the moneypak card away as soon as I load the number.  Clearly I don't need a receipt, or it would specify this on the greendot card.  They will always give you back the money if you say it's yours and escalate if necessary.

MoneypakTrader did NOT admit to being a drug dealer!  WTF?  You are just making stuff up.  Please quote where he admitted to this.  There are many SR sellers who only conduct legal trade because the profit margins are higher on there, but obviously you are not aware of this.  It is not illegal to browse the site.  Maybe you should educate yourself.  MoneypakTrader only has listings in the money trading section.

You are neg rating based on speculation and bad information.  Please raise the rating.  Guys with 300 SR ratings are not likely to be scammers.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

They will always give you back the money if you say it's yours and escalate if necessary.
MoneypakTrader did NOT admit to being a drug dealer!  WTF?  You are just making stuff up.  Please quote where he admitted to this.  There are many SR sellers who only conduct legal trade because the profit margins are higher on there, but obviously you are not aware of this.  It is not illegal to browse the site.  Maybe you should educate yourself.  MoneypakTrader only has listings in the money trading section.
You are neg rating based on speculation and bad information.  Please raise the rating.  Guys with 300 SR ratings are not likely to be scammers.

+1, thanks for the support.

Site will be going live for beta testing soon.

Please use this thread for feedback on my site/service.

[bbit]

I have verified this is not a scam.  MoneypakTrader loaded my card with $300 and it was not disputed with greendot.  Danieldaniel is out of control.  Moneypak can only be reversed if you deny ownership of the moneypak, as BCB did.  There are lots of retarded people who don't know any better or don't care, who pay huge markups to trade moneypaks for bitcoins.

My thread buying moneypaks is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105179.0

You realize for any scam to work they have to have one or two things "work" first then the flood of others follow and thus the scam moves forward.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

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[MoneypakTrader.com]

Alright, so what is going on here?
There are 1) people who want to buy BTC and 2) people who can sell their BTC.
I'm just connecting the 2 parties.

1) People are willing to pay 15% over market prices to use Moneypak to buy their BTC.
They contact me with their codes wanting BTC.

2) I'll help people get 8% profit by accepting these MP to their debit cards.

There's no special tricks or illegal activity going on, just simple supply and demand.

[sublime5447]

Money pak trader seems legit to me. I am the person who initiated the bet between BCB and daniel about money pack being reversible. I was told by BCB that is was reversed and i honored the bet for 2 btc to daniel. i did put the caveat that BCB had to tell them it was his money pak, I do not know if that was followed through with or not. i can also verify that danieldaniel is a slanderer. He has also been banned from our page because of defamation. Daniel has apologized to me for treating me unfair and has removed his negative rating other members have not. I initiated the bet to see if I could treat money pak as cash. I found that you can not, but the reason to not use money pak is that the card can be marked stolen then you load it and have tied yourself to a crime. If you accepted a few stolen one especially if they are over 1000 you could get in serious trouble. MPT never said he was a drug dealer daniel, stop being a drama queen.     

[sublime5447]

Me to BCB:  "did you tell greendot it was your moneypak?"
BCB:  "No.  I could have pushed harder, but didn't want to get danieldaniel in trouble."

Lots of people have ratings over 150 on OTC.  Does this mean I would trust them with half a million like those idiots did with pirate?  LOL.  The web of trust is just an indicator, not proof that someone won't run with $500k USD.  I only verified it is not a scam in that he actually had a $300 moneypak to load and did not immediately phone GreenDot to dispute.  I could care less if he disputes now as there is no money left on the card.

Since when is "money laundering" with bitcoins bad behavior on OTC deserving a -5 rating daniel?  This has nothing to do with you.  There are people who openly mix coins.  Do they deserve -5's?  I have mixed coins before.  Do I deserve -5?

Shit so the truth comes out god damn truth it just will not stay hidden. So I was the one scammed. BCB didnt tell him it was his money pak. When the bet was made I said I would honor it if BCB said it was his. You asshole draging my name thought the mud and you are the one scamming daniel!

[sublime5447]

Money pak trader seems legit to me. I am the person who initiated the bet between BCB and daniel about money pack being reversible. I was told by BCB that is was reversed and i honored the bet for 2 btc to daniel. i did put the caveat that BCB had to tell them it was his money pak, I do not know if that was followed through with or not. i can also verify that danieldaniel is a slanderer. He has also been banned from our page because of defamation. Daniel has apologized to me for treating me unfair and has removed his negative rating other members have not. I initiated the bet to see if I could treat money pak as cash. I found that you can not, but the reason to not use money pak is that the card can be marked stolen then you load it and have tied yourself to a crime. If you accepted a few stolen one especially if they are over 1000 you could get in serious trouble. MPT never said he was a drug dealer daniel, stop being a drama queen.     

When I say bet that is not exactly accurate daniel never took me up on the bet neither did anyone else. No one was willing to risk their capital to see if it was reversible. So basically I told daniel I would pay him to get one reversed for my knowledge and the communities knowledge. I did not need to know if it was reversible if it wasnt yours MPT already told me that. I need to know if you said it was your money pak was it reversable. 

[Kempelen]

I have successful purchased a MoneyPack.

Made the deal via Torchat, the reply was prompt and my reload was processed one confirmation after I sent BTC. Would buy again.

[MoneypakTrader.com]

Thanks for weighing in.
I've successfully loaded a few thousand dollars to people's cards with no reported problems, thanks to all my customers.
I'm still waiting on the programmer to finish up the site, but that looks like it will be a good, streamlined way to conduct business in the near future.

For now, you'll need to either
a) join my other customers and trust me with your investment
b) use escrow (freemoney on SR or other options)
c) wait (Once the site is ready, you can use that)

I hope I've addressed all the issues presented in this thread, if not, exposing the issues to the sunlight of rational discussion is welcome.
Of course, irrational and unfounded accusations are always unwelcome and should be ignored.

I look forward to becoming a new option for btc traders, offering relatively anonymous purchasing of BTC, and a high profit margin avenue for selling of BTC at these outrageous prices we're experiencing.

As I write this, an 18.14 BTC investment will net the investor at least $500 in debit loads.
I have nearly a dozen MPs waiting to be loaded from people who will pay the extra fee to invest in BTC without exposing their identities.

Please use torchat to arrange an investment return to your debit card.