TPTB_Coin vs AmericanPegasusCoin: which next-gen currency to invest in for 2016?

[americanpegasus]

TPTB_need_war claims to be on the verge of releasing a new cryptocurrency so advanced it will render all others obsolete.  He claims to be a master of marketing and many other areas of human enterprise as well.  Many of us have been regaled by his economic analysis over the years.  Clearly then, this legendary currency of his will likely be special.  
  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0

However, as we know, AmericanPegasus Is also about to unleash his incredible master-currency upon the world and has also been hard at work, first learning C++ fundamentals, then learning cryptography, and finally putting them together into the most advanced financial network that may even be possible using Euclidian geometry.  Now certainly he's seen his share of controversy too, but has a slight marketing edge and clearly superior technology.  
  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914517.0  
  
But which one should I trust with my time and value?  Inquiring minds want to know, and please: serious replies only.    
  

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[50cent_rapper]

Please add DOGE as a vote option 

[monsterer]

Heh heh, I needed a laugh, thanks

[ArticMine]

TPTB_Coin was recently gored by a GNU.

[Fuserleer]

In other news, popcorn stocks have doubled in 30 minutes!

[TPTB_need_war]

I have no project for the readers to invest in, so the topic of the thread is nonsense.

If this is a forward looking question, assuming that I might produce a project, then I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.

My intuition is that the purpose of this thread is to try to collect and manipulate public opinion, and this is apparently already well documented tactic of the Monero (and now apparently by association the Aeon) clan.

I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.

[LucyLovesCrypto]

I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.

My guess is that AmericanPegasus started this thread as an attempt at comedy and not for any other nefarious purpose.  I won't spend more time in this thread either but I do not assume ill intent. There are many people in the Monero and Aeon communities who value the contributions of TPTB.

[igatcha]

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Before I make any investment I would like to know if you have left the Monero Saturday Gentlemens-club?

Edits: After actually checking your announcement thread I have changed my mind. Im in.

Nevermind.

[TPTB_need_war]

I would much prefer to discuss technological and marketing solutions for our goals in crypto currency. Thus I don't think I will be participating in this thread. Time waster.

My guess is that AmericanPegasus started this thread as an attempt at comedy and not for any other nefarious purpose.  I won't spend more time in this thread either but I do not assume ill intent. There are many people in the Monero and Aeon communities who value the contributions of TPTB.

Okay my bad. Humor is most welcome at this juncture (and even if but not iff I am the butt of the joke).

[tokeweed]

Is this Bob Surplus' new angle? 

[LucyLovesCrypto]

Is this Bob Surplus' new angle? 

What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.

[Fuserleer]

Is this Bob Surplus' new angle? 

What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.

* plot twist *

[tokeweed]

Is this Bob Surplus' new angle? 

What are you talking about? Bob Surplus has no connection to TPTB or AmericanPegasus that I am aware of.

* plot twist *

Lol yup.

[TPTB_need_war]

Who the hell is Bob Surplus. I used to watch Sanford & Son, does that apply?

[illodin]

Who the hell is Bob Surplus.

A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.

Surprised he's still alive tbh.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

[rustynailer]

Who the hell is Bob Surplus. I used to watch Sanford & Son, does that apply?

The story of Bob Surplus
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896480.0

[altcoinUK]

Who the hell is Bob Surplus.

A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.

Surprised he's still alive tbh.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

I am sure you remember that my unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857457.0 crashed the Bitbay party. Bobsurplus admitted the scam as well as challenged David Zimbeck there. Since I know the the story quite well, let me point out an inaccuracy in your post.

To say that Bob was the scammer without mentioning David Zimbeck is a misinformation. Yes, Bob is a scammer (thought at least unlike others he admit that his business is P&D), but Bob wasn't the main figure behind that scam - it was David Zimbeck. Without the active input of David the Bitbay scam could never happen. Bob deployed the army of sockpuppets and shills to P&D the coin - which is a scam and that's what he does with all coins he is involved with - but not mentioning David Zimbeck is like you wouldn't mention Laurel in the analysis of the Laurel & Hardy act. On that note, it's actually hilarious as Laurel & Hardy was that many of us warn users, becuase the shit they sell is not a real projects, only a P&D that is suported by shills and sockpuppets, Bob admits himself that he is a P&D organiser, but idiots and wannabe rich greedy "investors" (most of the time with a no more than a high school lunch money size investment) still buy his shitcoins.

Anyway, I think Bob is already finished his operation.

[altcoinUK]

On the note of TPTB_need_war, I like him, he is a very smart fellow, bring up interesting points in technical discussions, but here is my warning and prediction: if he ever release his coin (which is doubtful as he is unable to work with anyone, e.g now he is having a fight with his former best friend smooth) then that coin will create nothing but tears and disappointment for the inevitable bagholders. It will be P&D like other coins with the army of disappointed bag holders at the and of the chain.  

TPTB_need_war's innovations such us the no PoW and his plan of pursuing the third world market are nothing but marketing gimmicks. There is zero chance for monetization (except that he and the early adopters will pocket some profit via the P&D) and his coin will never find way to real world businesses and won't be a factor in the real world's economy. It will exists in this pathetic no volume microcosms for a while, and then it will disappear like all other coins.

[traumschiff]

I will not involve myself in discussions of the probabilities surrounding vaporware.

Hah, that's new.

[illodin]

Who the hell is Bob Surplus.

A scammer who has conducted multiple pump and dump scams, the largest (afaik) being cheating BitBay investors and his own pump group out of 700 BTC by conspiring with an exchange (BTER) to pump the price using the ICO funds that were supposed to be frozen by the exchange until the coin is released. The deal was Bob and his partner Gekko were supposed to handle the marketing of the coin but they just took the BTC, dumped the BitBay coins, and ran.

Surprised he's still alive tbh.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113238/chat-logs-allegedly-show-bter-creating-and-pumping-its-own-coin

I am sure you remember that my unmoderated thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857457.0 crashed the Bitbay party. Bobsurplus admitted the scam as well as challenged David Zimbeck there. Since I know the the story quite well, let me point out an inaccuracy in your post.

To say that Bob was the scammer without mentioning David Zimbeck is a misinformation. Yes, Bob is a scammer (thought at least unlike others he admit that his business is P&D), but Bob wasn't the main figure behind that scam - it was David Zimbeck. Without the active input of David the Bitbay scam could never happen. Bob deployed the army of sockpuppets and shills to P&D the coin - which is a scam and that's what he does with all coins he is involved with - but not mentioning David Zimbeck is like you wouldn't mention Laurel in the analysis of the Laurel & Hardy act. On that note, it's actually hilarious as Laurel & Hardy was that many of us warn users, becuase the shit they sell is not a real projects, only a P&D that is suported by shills and sockpuppets, Bob admits himself that he is a P&D organiser, but idiots and wannabe rich greedy "investors" (most of the time with a no more than a high school lunch money size investment) still buy his shitcoins.

Anyway, I think Bob is already finished his operation.

This is how I remember it, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Zimbeck is still working on BitBay this day, Bob never did anything to help the project. Bob and the rest of the scam team hired Zimbeck to implement his smart contracts into the wallet (and that was supposed to be all he would do and be paid for), and started advertising the project using Zimbeck's name as the lead developer without his consent to give it more credibility.

Zimbeck's only fault imo was that he didn't quit and tell everyone after finding out Bob and his scam team were up to no good, but kept quiet instead hoping the project could deliver regardless.

After Bob left soon after the ICO and took all the project's money there were no funds left for development, and Zimbeck decided to stay and finish the project alone even though that wasn't his job, it should've been Bob's team's responsibility.