Maybe you don't debate like this in the USA, but here when two persons are engaged in a debate, we take care of everything said, which means that the arguments I presented and you just ignored are still important. It's not because you don't want to talk about it that it doesn't exist ^^
It's cute how you imitate me like a little monkey never understanding the words you think are "random" repeating them back at me as if that proves something. Your refractory bullshit is not an argument, an argument requires a premise, which you consistently avoid by bringing up red herring diversions, straw man arguments, and by simply accusing me of the logical fallacies I accuse you of. None of these things are considered logical forms of debate regardless of your ignorance of this fact.
I'm currently saying that banks are the first ennemies... So yes it crossed my mind thank you! Banks are responsible for more or less anything that is currently ruining the ideal of socialism which is, here I agree with you (which is not so common) totally corrupted by our shitty leaders.
I'm not asking everyone else to be over generous, I'm saying we don't have really the choice concerning the migrants. Cause we just can't close the borders. That's not physicaly possible considering the size of European borders in fact.
You over interpret my thoughts I believe... And Marxism has not much to do with generosity but with fairness. Rather different trust me.
You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers. Trust me bankers know how to abuse socialism just as well or better than capitalism. You are asking everyone else around you to be "over generous". You are asking them to risk their personal safety, the financial resources drained by the presence of the mass influx of "refugees", and potentially the breakup of the EU Schengen treaty agreement destroying Europe as we know it. All of this so you can protect your precious infallible ideology that will some how magically just workout if we just keep trying it even though history documents the mountains of bodies left behind socialism marxism and communism. The borders can and will be closed. You are too simple minded to realize that was the entire purpose of letting the mass immigration to happen to begin with. Now all of Europe can be locked down by the military and they can start a civil war in Europe! Socialism FTW!
P.S. I don't trust you, trust me.
You're saying that I should let my idealogy go because it's what will kill me. What a nice way of living. I'd rather die proud of what I've fought for. (1)
No we don't want guns. No we don't want liberalism. Keep it in the USA thank you very much. And we will welcome the refugees untill they're proven guilty of any crime. (2)
You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. (2) It has nothing to do with me personnally.
"You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers."
Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! (4) In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country!
P.S. could you at least try to answer correctly? You keep avoiding the subject, if you don't want to debate don't come here...
You still don't know how to define debate, let alone actually debate, and you accuse me of not wanting debate? I would laugh, but your redundancy is getting kind of boring. By the way do I "over interpret ... thoughts" or do I "just ignored" your points? Make up your mind.
I have emboldened your logical fallacies and numbered them so you can learn how logic works and understand these links aren't "random".
(1)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman(2)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon(3)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white(4)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque(5)
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulityI'm not asking everyone else to be over generous, I'm saying we don't have really the choice concerning the migrants. (3) Cause we just can't close the borders. That's not physicaly possible considering the size of European borders in fact. (5)
Yes, but you are. You are making choices for other people in your country who may or may not agree with you. You are claiming there is "no choice" but in reality choice is all anyone ever has. You most certainly do have a choice. You can screen and control the influx of economic migrants. Claiming you physically can not secure your borders at all is just ignorant.
You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. (2) It has nothing to do with me personnally.
Again, you are making choices for others when your government forces everyone to risk their safety and what little fruit of their labor they have left via more taxes as a direct result of allowing an uncontrolled mass influx of migration. As a result you are asking other people to sacrifice so that you can have your illusion of collective generosity, and tell yourself you did good, when in reality you are harming all involved.
Taxes fund your "generosity". Taxes are taken by force. Your "generosity" is taken by force. That is not generosity that is theft and redistribution of wealth. Also here is the definition of democracy:
1. a system of government in which
all the people of a country can vote to elect their representatives parliamentary democracy the principles of democracy
2.
a country which has this system of government Western democracies I thought we were supposed to be living in a democracy.
3. fair and equal treatment of everyone
in an organization, etc., and their right to take part in making decisions
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/democracy"as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied."
France is a republic by the way, not a democracy. Even if you did live in a democracy, there are still issues of representative government, otherwise your so called "democracy" is nothing more than mob rule. The population is free to decide on their own to defend themselves and their country if they need to. You however are attempting to deny people that choice by claiming to speak for everyone with populist rule and imposing penalties upon people for taking steps to do so. Additionally democracies are a flawed form of government, because all it takes is one intelligent individual to fool most of the people, and the masses can be lead around to any place the oligarchical class desire.
Göring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."
Gilbert: "There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."
Göring: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ringPretty soon your countrymen will be denouncing the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger, and by then it will be too late. You have a right to enforce your national borders. This is not racism. This is the protection of the human rights of your nation's population. Your nation does not owe anything to people just because they wander into your national borders. You are literally stealing from people within your country by force to accommodate people who most likely seek the destruction of your "generous" ideologies. Europe is being baited into accepting an untenable situation using appeals to emotion and collective cultural guilt. This will serve no one but the bankers you claim to oppose, yet actively serve.
