Altcoin blockchain experts - can anyone explain this semi-missing transaction?

[BARR_Official]

58236.37353502 FindCoins sent and confirmed in block 226766

Transaction ID 0a50f8c9e5a4154e0f24ea45316cb3dbfe3e7504293c8f6c13ad0ad87ca70d45

2 different block explorers agree that the transaction is confirmed:

http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&block=226766
http://findcoin.dcredits.com/explorer.php?226774




But 2 different block explorers also agree that the receiving address is empty and has never seen any transactions:


http://findcoin.dcredits.com/search.php?id=FXKLahV8uhruHY6zPsE1cYVGj67aTXVots
http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?address=FXKLahV8uhruHY6zPsE1cYVGj67aTXVots&blockexplorer=FIND




The reason this transaction was noticed is because it was apparently sent to an exchange for a coin-swap:









Does that mean that the sender fooled the exchange into accepting a deposit that never arrived?
The exchange has confirmed that the receiving address is one of their deposit addresses.


Because they're running their own block explorer during the coin swap, someone has suggested that they could be masking their own staking activity on their explorer.
But this transaction is on both explorers, so that doesn't apply here.



The only theory so far is that maybe because the transaction ID starts with a 0, it is accepted as valid within the block, but when it scans a different way for wallet balance the 0 gets automatically dropped and isn't a valid transaction ID?  It looks like there are some other transactions on the blockchain that begin with a 0, but this particular transaction was easily spotted as missing because the address "has never been seen".  No other transactions have been noticed as missing.



Raw block:

Code:

								Array
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    [hash] => 861903ec4ac45bf12d458f166dd28c89716ada3c7921b8e97c3a9594652ebdc6
    [confirmations] => 334
    [size] => 11607
    [height] => 226766
    [version] => 6
    [merkleroot] => 2d1ebbf8f30085ed28b51fe030125b065b3b66046eb46784a6efbaf1c9876b82
    [mint] => 1.02683232
    [time] => 1454114178
    [nonce] => 0
    [bits] => 1d530820
    [difficulty] => 0.0120434
    [blocktrust] => 31549de
    [chaintrust] => 13a8ce08c169
    [previousblockhash] =>
98d699076795c64f4af435817b6303450f55fc699cd3a704fb377008c6498062
    [nextblockhash] => 88da842a2db2fee84fd9ac1b2a24ef574ad77328c092932af4018b16939825c1
    [flags] => proof-of-stake
    [proofhash] => 0001c2f2d6fc43868123ba19281091b5af771421419ec51123a0f31a495b2f6c
    [entropybit] => 0
    [modifier] => 1e9ee79bd73677e0
    [modifierchecksum] => 10979f05
    [tx] => Array
        (
            [0] => 638d86d00c4c1f5e3ca31b7354067f900d9da5e33885ed80a09f2fe45d0dc9e8
            [1] => 2dccc876dd7a07d38e4693b009556dc6a72e3c9ea1cd85bf24b02d5a81f77d15
            [2] => 0a50f8c9e5a4154e0f24ea45316cb3dbfe3e7504293c8f6c13ad0ad87ca70d45
        )

    [signature] =>
304502210094289c479e456e3c86cd1805522db7cc8d1b1874184da018d9dad2cc781b724702206e6dd63325c4
7d429d79f4055010c935aa34e0eda6f6dce26c067cc7a5c39396
)

[BARR_Official]

The raw transaction is too long to post, here's a link (click "show raw transaction" at the bottom of the page)



http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&txid=0a50f8c9e5a4154e0f24ea45316cb3dbfe3e7504293c8f6c13ad0ad87ca70d45

[BARR_Official]

This is the address that sent the missing transaction, and it apparently still has the funds:

http://findcoin.dcredits.com/search.php?id=FVhHfaR1U7KVkPanD9K8mC5SaJnuSLZbcX


So it's not a typical double-spend, because the coins haven't been spent again yet.  Unless you count staking.

And a double-spend would usually mean that the block containing one of the transactions would be orphaned, but the block and the transaction are still on the blockchain.

Does that mean it has to be an error in the code which allows a transaction to be confirmed in a block but it doesn't show up when it scans for that address?

If this was an intentional exploit used to deposit coins at BTCPoolExchange without actually sending the coins, then the YoBit exchange might have an even larger discrepancy between the amount of FindCoins they're selling and the amount they're actually holding.

[BARR_Official]

New theory:

The coins are double-spent as Proof-of-Stake transactions, with one transaction going to an outside address and another transaction sending the same coins back to the sending address.

This could be done intentionally, or it could be an unintended result of modifications to the staking wallet.  Maybe someone changed the code to give themselves more stake rewards, and it accidentally caused these double-spends.



Does anyone know what this transaction does?  The type of transaction is "stake modifier", it has no inputs or outputs, and it seems to be included in the blocks with the disappearing transactions:

Code:

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    [hex] =>
01000000292eac56010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff
0403207603ffffffff0100000000000000000000000000
    [txid] => 98ce3f65056c078b0f05ebf26a78381e39bcdd7739ffa0aeb1a0c233dbf9d3fa
    [version] => 1
    [time] => 1454124585
    [locktime] => 0
    [vin] => Array
        (
            [0] => Array
                (
                    [coinbase] => 03207603
                    [sequence] => 4294967295
                )

        )

    [vout] => Array
        (
            [0] => Array
                (
                    [value] => 0
                    [n] => 0
                    [scriptPubKey] => Array
                        (
                            [asm] => 
                            [type] => nonstandard
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                )

        )

    [blockhash] => 746d449263f90f07665120b45bb9f7fa25971f80e3a234aa437b76540589226a
    [confirmations] => 403
    [blocktime] => 1454124585
)

Stake modifiers are supposed to help prevent double-spending, but I've seen a new attack described in March 2015 which some coins solved with checkpointing, and FindCoin hasn't been updated since before then.

[BARR_Official]

That is my wallet, as you can see below in the screen shots and the included transaction record for my wallet, there is no double spending and no scam happening here.

Isn't this explorer hosted at your own website?

http://findcoin.dcredits.com/



Your explorer says the coins are still in your address.


This topic is addressed to blockchain experts, not people who don't know how to rescan their own wallet.  Or people who think 100,000 coins overloads the blockchain.

You deposited 58236.37353502 FindCoins at BTCPoolExchange, and you exchanged them for your own premined DGCS coins, and you still have the FindCoins in your wallet.

Those coins were supposed to be sent to a burn address, but the burn address is only holding 100 coins.

These are proven facts that everyone can see on the blockchain, so your screencaps mean nothing.

Besides, your screencap shows 162 confirmations, and the block explorer now has 577 confirmations for that block.  Did you have some reason to take that screencap before this topic was started?  Because you just said there's no double spending going on.

If you plan to transfer more the 100,000 coins I suggest you break it up into smaller amounts and do it in several transactions. Now sure how much the block chain can handle, I know we had issues with large amounts of space being transferred over at once.

[BARR_Official]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

The January Burn has ended. 449,479 FIND coins have been burned and 112,369 new Digital Credits have been released into the world.

The burn address has only received 1 transaction from BTCPoolExchange, for 124,689 FIND.  But they still sent out the premined DGCS (mostly to you, intristin) in exchange for FindCoins that are still in your personal address. 

http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&address=FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn

Please note that their was some sort of attack on the FINDcoin block chain which appears to have forked it somehow. This is causing the block explorers to display incorrect information. We are looking into getting that all sorted out and will let you know if and when we do.   

The block explorer shows what is on the blockchain.  Everyone's wallets on the same network have to agree.

Therefore, it's not the block explorer that's displaying incorrect information.  You are the one displaying incorrect information.

You say there was an attack, but the double-spend happened exactly when you sent your FindCoins to the BTCPoolExchange, exchanged them for DigitalCredits, and then still kept the FindCoins in your own address.  Which means you could still send them to YoBit to sell them after you've already sold them at BTCPoolExchange.

That's why you're supposed to use Proof of Burn, so it's proven that the coins can never be sold again.  But that's not what you're doing. 





And now you're exchanging FlozCoin, a scam ICO that just launched December 20th.  Who launched it?  Did you launch it yourself, or did you plan it with the Floz dev just to burn it the next month after it launched?

[BARR_Official]

Update on the mystery transactions:

Apparently the network forked, and now everyone is back on the same chain.

But the block explorer is still showing confirmed transactions to addresses that are still empty.

[BARR_Official]

Update:

The Digital Credits dev is still holding FindCoins in his own address after those coins were double-spent and sold at BTCPoolExchange:

http://findcoin.dcredits.com/search.php?id=FVhHfaR1U7KVkPanD9K8mC5SaJnuSLZbcX

(that's his own block explorer hosted at his own website, here's another:)

http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&address=FVhHfaR1U7KVkPanD9K8mC5SaJnuSLZbcX


And he's still claiming they burned FindCoins that are not actually in the burn address (and are still in their own addresses):

http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&address=FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn



And he doesn't like me talking about it, so he started trying to dox me in C-Cex chat by posting people's facebook links, names, phone numbers, and street addresses that he thinks are mine.  And then for good measure he said I'm a "racest biggit" and that he's going to sue me for "salnder" and get half my paychecks for the next 20 years. 

...but he still didn't send the coins.

[iGotSpots]

Simple. Your coin forked and explorers are on opposite prongs

[BARR_Official]

Simple. Your coin forked and explorers are on opposite prongs

Both explorers agree, so the senders who double-spent coins can spend their coins again on the main chain

[BanzaiBTC]

Hi,


I'm resposible for the blockexplorers on the digital credits website. Intrisitin hires me to do some work for him from time to time.. I have nothing to do with dgcs besides some freelance jobs.. But we've talked about that before 

This chain is really screwed.. I did a complete resync with the coin daemon, and a complete re-index of the explorer today.. Somehow intristins address has a negativ balance now.. really strange.. the burn address also has more coins in it then before..

I don't know much about whats going on between you and intristin.. But from the way I've got to know him over the last few months I doubt he is pulling tricks here.. This is purely source related crap..

If you want, I will do another explorer, with the iquidus open source code on my own server, or yours whatever you want.. Multifaucet must do a resync and reindex also imo.. If you don't trust or believe me and my explorers, I am willing to teach you how to setup the iquidus explorer yourself to see the facts.. If you dont know how to make one that is..


I really hope you and him can work this out..


Cheers,
Banzai

[BARR_Official]

This chain is really screwed.. I did a complete resync with the coin daemon, and a complete re-index of the explorer today.. Somehow intristins address has a negativ balance now.. really strange.. the burn address also has more coins in it then before..

There was definitely something unusually broken about it, but it looks like you've fixed it enough so that the transactions are showing in the proper addresses.

Of course the burn address still only shows 324789.4, as I predicted, and not the 449,479 that intristin says were exchanged for premined DGCS and burned.


See here for a detailed analysis of the numbers:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905226.msg13746789#msg13746789


The dev has deleted most of his own comments, and he says he's suing me for pointing out the discrepancies in his numbers.

He also tried to dox me in C-Cex chat, posting phone numbers and addresses that were supposed to be mine, and he encouraged people to visit my house in a threatening way. 

But the burn address still doesn't have 449,479 FIND.

I don't know much about whats going on between you and intristin..

You knew about it 3 months ago, did you forget?

Maybe you can check your personal sent messages and refresh your memory:

...

I was just pointing out that this fight is not good for barr and dgcs.. Look at how you handled that!?
Seriously dude.. Stop behaving like a little bitch... Just ignore dgcs.. I also talked with dgcs dev about this a few times already..

...

Or if you'd like to review my original comments about DGCS and your responses, you can read here:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219460.msg13004301#msg13004301

[intristin]

Look, The blockchain of FIND coin was attacked and forked. You, BARR_Official, aka runpaint, aka Adam Hornbuckle have been trying to imply that Digital Credits and BTCPOOL have been running some kind of scam in an effort to steal a tiny amount of some worthless dead altcoin.

We have provided evidence that the blockchain was attacked and split. You want people to think we are behind all of it, yet you have no proof. Because of the forked blockchain we can provide no further proof of anything.

To everyone else reading this thread you have two choices. Trust that we are telling the truth or trust that BARR_Official, aka runpaint, aka Adam Hornbuckle is. If you trust him and his multiple identities, don't buy our coin, It really is as simple as that. Otherwise, invest in our coin and profit like so many others have.

[BARR_Official]

Look, The blockchain of FIND coin was attacked and forked.

How do you know it was attacked instead of accidentally forked?  Are you making things up again? 

Or do you know for a fact that it was attacked? 



 

You, BARR_Official, aka runpaint, aka Adam Hornbuckle

No phone number and address this time?  You sick pathetic stalker. 

have been trying to imply that Digital Credits and BTCPOOL have been running some kind of scam in an effort to steal a tiny amount of some worthless dead altcoin.

No, I just posted facts.  You deposited FindCoins at BTCPool exchange and sold them for DGCS, but BTCPool Exchange didn't actually receive the FindCoins.   So you got the DGCS for free.  How does that imply that BTCPool was scamming?

I never said the double-spending was intentional on your part. 

You're the only one who says it was an intentional attack, so you're the only one implying that you are a thief who did it on purpose.

Are you going to sue yourself?

We have provided evidence that the blockchain was attacked and split.

No you haven't.  I'm the one who provided evidence that there was a problem, and you're the one who denied it and tried to intimidate me into keeping the truth hidden.

It's like the bank telling you that they never received your check, and you screaming and crying that they're slandering you, but your only proof is "Look, I wrote it down in my checkbook!" 

Because of the forked blockchain we can provide no further proof of anything.

Actually the transactions have gone through now, only because of my efforts, so what are you talking about? 

The only remaining question is where you got your figures for how many FindCoins you burned (although I pretty much answered that question for you with basic deduction). 

To everyone else reading this thread you have two choices. Trust that we are telling the truth

Why should they trust your word when they can see proof on the blockchain?  I'm not asking anyone to trust me or take my word for anything. 

IMO, only a fool or a scammer would come here and ask thousands of complete strangers around the world to "trust" you.

So I guess you have two choices.

If you trust him and his multiple identities

lol? 

don't buy our coin, It really is as simple as that. Otherwise, invest in our coin and profit like so many others have.

Oh yeah, the people who bought in November at 10 times the current price are really making out.

[BARR_Official]

BARR_Official, aka runpaint, aka Adam Hornbuckle,

intristin, aka screenname DigitalCredits, aka Tristin something, aka whatever other different names you use online, here, C-Cex chat, YoBit chat, etc.

What is your point?

The only one questioning us is you.

That is not true.

Every post you make and claim you toss at us is ignored.

Then why are you here?

You and your alt accounts talk to each other a lot but no one else seems to care.

You're projecting.  Just because you do things dishonestly doesn't mean everyone else does.

I started this account for official BARR purposes, and other people can use it to answer messages, update the ANN, and swap people's coins.  runpaint is my personal account, it's not a secret, and I've openly explained this before on bitcointalk for anyone who cares or is in love with me and wants my personal details.

You, on the other hand, created your own fake forum with your own fake users to take your own fake votes about sending millions of premined coins that you had publicly promised you would never send.  And then after you had the "vote" consisting of 2 "new users" with 0 activity, neither you nor anyone else made any posts on your "forum" for the next 3 weeks.  And then you deleted the entire forum along with all posts and records.

You toss up buy orders for coins you target to burn but nobody else burns them.

Your statement is untrue, as usual.

The only people interested in BARR is the voices in your head, Good luck with your worthless NXT asset!

Thanks!

[BARR_Official]

The January Burn has ended. 449,479 FIND coins have been burned and 112,369 new Digital Credits have been released into the world.

Where did the 449,479 FindCoins come from, and where is the proof that they were burned?

The block explorer doesn't show that many, and even BTCPoolExchange doesn't claim to have sent that many.

[BARR_Official]

lol, I haven't said if that's me or not.  And I won't.  Keep saving pictures of dudes and obsessing over them.

But even if that guy is me, and even if he's stupid, what does that have to do with anything?

Why can't you show transactions for 449,479 Findcoins? 

[Makingsure]

wait arent you the digitalcredits dev?
the immaturity you are showing here is literally blowing my mind .
and to think i found this thread cause i was gonna invest in your coin
people tell me , dont invest in the coin, invest in the dev
well this is the dev of dgcs people, this is who you trust your money to?
well not me haha, screw it ill buy cube, even spots shady ass aint as bad as this dev omg lol

[BARR_Official]

The January Burn has ended. 449,479 FIND coins have been burned and 112,369 new Digital Credits have been released into the world.

According to you, BTCPoolExchange burns the coins.

Here is what BTCPoolExchange says they sent:

DGCSBurn   FindCoin   99999.8   a86a6983ada8afa364d1a054a235bef4efd4b8530e52069a853e17bf26d281eb   2016-01-30 03:24:21.880   FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn
DGCSBurn   FindCoin   99999.8   daccba3587afecb7b1c6bf4f327a5522ec57847ff42b2f0e715792c9769229cc   2016-01-30 03:25:11.893   FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn
DGCSBurn   FindCoin   124689.8   pending...   2016-01-30 03:26:11.890   FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn

That's a total of 324,689.4

The block explorer that you own, hosted at the website you own, says the address has 324,789.4

http://findcoin.dcredits.com/search.php

But you counted one transaction twice.

324,689.4 is the actual amount, but you added the 124,689.8 again.  And that equals 449,379.2.  And then you added the 100 coins you sent from your own address, so you're claiming the burn address has received 449,479.

Because 3 transactions was too many for you to add without getting confused.


(and the block explorer that you don't own says the burn address has only received a total of 124,789.8 )
http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?blockexplorer=FIND&address=FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn

The January Burn has ended. 449,479 FIND coins have been burned and 112,369 new Digital Credits have been released into the world.

That's obviously not true.

But even if it was an honest mistake on your part, how did you end up releasing 112,369 DGCS?  
449,479 X .25 = 112,369, and that's the exchange rate you were using.

But 449,479 is an error, right?  Just because you counted a transaction twice while attempting simple arithmetic, that doesn't make BTCPoolExchange put DGCS into someone's account.  Or does it?

[BARR_Official]

wait arent you the digitalcredits dev?
the immaturity you are showing here is literally blowing my mind .
and to think i found this thread cause i was gonna invest in your coin
people tell me , dont invest in the coin, invest in the dev
well this is the dev of dgcs people, this is who you trust your money to?
well not me haha, screw it ill buy cube, even spots shady ass aint as bad as this dev omg lol

Well I didn't think it was just my imagination.  He seems unstable, I feel sorry for him.  But I'm sure every dishonest dev has an excuse. 

And now he's saying you're me, and that he can see your IP address when you post on bitcointalk.  Are you scared yet?