My wife is a hero: mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves kids

[iCEBREAKER]

How dare anyone suggest people don't have the right to keep and bear arms?

I'd love to see them suggest such a thing to Mrs. Herman and Sarah McKinley.  But they won't, because they basically are complete and total cowards.


Georgia mom shoots intruder 5 times in face, hides children
http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intruder-5-times-saves-children/

A Georgia mother hid her two 9-year-old twins and shot an intruder several times during a home invasion

“My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner,” Donnie Herman told WSB-TV.

Young Oklahoma Mom Shoots Intruder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4B_XbW7ds

19-year-old with a baby says 911 operator told her to "do what you need to do."

If you refuse to protect your kids from harm (including becoming orphans), you are the shittiest failed parent ever.

[dotcom]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

[myrkul]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

Damn! Gotta be some serious skull on that dude.

[MoonShadow]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

Damn! Gotta be some serious skull on that dude.

Or maybe just not enough functioning brain matter in order to make the critical kill area large enough that even 5 head shots were fatal.

[iCEBREAKER]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

Too bad the Amber Lamps got there in time.  

Mom needs a bigger gun!  Bet she gets a .45 or 12 gauge ASAP.

[myrkul]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

Damn! Gotta be some serious skull on that dude.

Or maybe just not enough functioning brain matter in order to make the critical kill area large enough that even 5 head shots were fatal.

Or that.

[Lethn]

This kind of thing is why I empathise with the gun owners out there way more than gun control people, it's not like any of them want this sort of thing to happen they're just far more realistic, this is also a complete textbook example of how I think self-defence should be carried out, leave the criminal alive if he gets the message, they'll also serve as a warning to anyone else dumb enough to rob her.

[iCEBREAKER]

This kind of thing is why I empathise with the gun owners out there way more than gun control people

All the confusing statistics and endless abstract debate in the world will never convince the all-too-numerous emotion-based sheeple who fear guns and want only cradle-to-grave security. 

A different approach is required for the dim, irrational types:

To control the narrative and reclaim the moral high ground from the gun grabbers, we must rely on incidents such as these to illustrate the starkly asinine amorality of disarming law-abiding citizens.  Especially mothers defending their children, which no can dispute without looking idiotic at best and evil at worst.

Remember the names of these home invasion survivors and throw them in the face of the statists.  Their stories are our best weapons to fight and win the emotional battle for hearts and minds.

[OpenYourEyes]

If you refuse to protect your kids from harm (including becoming orphans), you are the shittiest failed parent ever.

And what about introducing your kids to harm? (hint: recent school shooting).

[novusordo]

This kind of thing is why I empathise with the gun owners out there way more than gun control people, it's not like any of them want this sort of thing to happen they're just far more realistic, this is also a complete textbook example of how I think self-defence should be carried out, leave the criminal alive if he gets the message, they'll also serve as a warning to anyone else dumb enough to rob her.

It's smarter to kill the intruder. Dead people can't make an argument in court against you, and they deserve it anyways if they're breaking into your house.

[MoonShadow]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

Too bad the Amber Lamps got there in time.  

Mom needs a bigger gun!  Bet she gets a .45 or 12 gauge ASAP.

She doesn't need a bigger gun.  She obviously knows how to use that one quite well.  To be able to put all five rounds loaded in a 38 special and hit a target the size of a melon from across a room, particularly while hyped up on adrenaline, is the halmark of a sharpshooter.  Furthermore, the most effective (not most deadly) handgun calibers, statisticly speaking, are the .380 automatic followed by the 22LR.  In every defensive case, your goal is to get the attacker to stop, not necessarily to kill them.  With that in mind, the above small calibers are well known for accuracy as well as their ability for follow-up shots.  The most important factor in a defensive handgun caliber is your personal ability to hit what you are shooting at, everything else is a secondary consideration.  Also, statisicly, the 45 is a terrible choice for a defensive handgun, because the recoil is so harsh that nearly everyone under 6' 2" and 240 lbs has trouble bringing the sights back onto target for a follow-up shot in any speedy fashion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdr14xVetXM

[iCEBREAKER]

If you refuse to protect your kids from harm (including becoming orphans), you are the shittiest failed parent ever.

And what about introducing your kids to harm? (hint: recent school shooting).

The school failed to act 'in loco parentis.'  The parents failed by sending their kids to unsafe public schools (AKA shittiest substitute parents ever) run by libtards who think 'no guns allowed' signs actually work.

I'd like to see you meet a survivor of home invasions from the OP and be all "You had no right to save your life and defend your children using a weaoon.  Because Sandy Hook and stuff."

It would be really funny to watch you get your face smashed in by a justifiably furious hero mom.  

[MoonShadow]

It's smarter to kill the intruder. Dead people can't make an argument in court against you, and they deserve it anyways if they're breaking into your house.

I don't agree with that in all cases.  If some drunk guy breaks into your house, and you flee up the steps with your kids; the deciding factor is wether or not he follows you.  If he just passes out on the couch, he probably thought he was home and was confused as to why his keys didn't work.  If he chases you up the steps, it's prudent to assume he has real ill intent on his addled mind, and he brought upon himself whatever happens next.  This guy was no burgler, he wanted something from the wife and kids.  If I was to hazard a guess, he was a serial rapist, and shooting him dead on the steps would have only improved the violent crime rate going forward as well as saved the taxpayers the money in prosecution and incarceration.

An armed society is a polite society.  What is rarely mentioned with that old saying, is the reason is that the 'criminallly impolite' have relatively short expectancies in an armed society.

[Nachtwind]

Sorry, but thats just sick.
Noone except the law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons...

If i have the chance and time to shoot 6 bullets in head and NECK of someone else i cant be in mortal danger - hence the use of arms is unjustified.

[Anon136]

It's smarter to kill the intruder. Dead people can't make an argument in court against you, and they deserve it anyways if they're breaking into your house.

I don't agree with that in all cases.  If some drunk guy breaks into your house, and you flee up the steps with your kids; the deciding factor is wether or not he follows you.  If he just passes out on the couch, he probably thought he was home and was confused as to why his keys didn't work.  If he chases you up the steps, it's prudent to assume he has real ill intent on his addled mind, and he brought upon himself whatever happens next.  This guy was no burgler, he wanted something from the wife and kids.  If I was to hazard a guess, he was a serial rapist, and shooting him dead on the steps would have only improved the violent crime rate going forward as well as saved the taxpayers the money in prosecution and incarceration.

An armed society is a polite society.  What is rarely mentioned with that old saying, is the reason is that the 'criminallly impolite' have relatively short expectancies in an armed society.

to me this just sounds like an argument for why drunk people should be prepared to accept the consequences of their poor decisions.

[iCEBREAKER]

Noone except the law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons...

If i have the chance and time to shoot 6 bullets in head and NECK of someone else i cant be in mortal danger - hence the use of arms is unjustified.

What a fascinating opintion you have.  Why don't you share it with Mrs. Herman and Sarah McKinley, the ladies from the OP?

Tell single teen mom Sarah McKinley, whose husband died of cancer on Christmas, that her child should be an orphan.  Tell her that her orphaned child's last memoir of his mother should be her screaming on a 911 tape as she's raped and murdered by her hunting knife carrying stalker.  Because only the police should have weapons, dontcha know?

And also tell Mrs. Herman that the last time her 9 year old twins see her alive should be while a home invader does god-knows-what to her.  Because it shooting a home invader after retreating to a closet is unjustified, naturally.

Please LMK ahead of time so I can laugh at you as they let you have exactly what you're asking for.   

[Nachtwind]

Noone except the law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons...

If i have the chance and time to shoot 6 bullets in head and NECK of someone else i cant be in mortal danger - hence the use of arms is unjustified.

What a fascinating opintion you have.  Why don't you share it with Mrs. Herman and Sarah McKinley, the ladies from the OP?

Tell single teen mom Sarah McKinley, whose husband died of cancer on Christmas, that her child should be an orphan.  Tell her that her orphaned child's last memoir of his mother should be her screaming on a 911 tape as she's raped and murdered by her hunting knife carrying stalker.  Because only the police should have weapons, dontcha know?

And also tell Mrs. Herman that the last time her 9 year old twins see her alive should be while a home invader does god-knows-what to her.  Because it shooting a home invader after retreating to a closet is unjustified, naturally.

Please LMK ahead of time so I can laugh at you as they let you have exactly what you're asking for.   

..and emotional outbursts as this are one of the reasons i wnt take people serious who think that carrying guns is a good thing.
If you cant even start arguing about something without such polemics, then you shouldnt talk about a metter like that at all. Not my opinpion? Ridicule? Still not following my opinion? Shoot?
Sorry mate, you just disqualified yourself.

[MoonShadow]

Sorry, but thats just sick.
Noone except the law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons...

If i have the chance and time to shoot 6 bullets in head and NECK of someone else i cant be in mortal danger - hence the use of arms is unjustified.

We aren't talking about you, some self-rightous statist who has been programmed by the German educational system all his life.  If you had the time to shoot 5 bullets (38 special revolvers only hold 5 rounds, this ain't no Dirty Harry movie) at an attacker, it's because they were willing to keep their face in your sights instead of retreating, or even falling down and surrendering.  This guy did neither.  In order to even take more than one shot to the face without giving up, considering he didn't appear to have a gun himself, he had to be hyped up on PCP or some other major drug.

And even in the best hands, such as this obviously well practiced mother, firing all five rounds in a 38 special revolver (particularly with this kind of accuracy) takes several seconds.  This article doesn't give many details, but I'd wager that he got all five because the first four didn't stop him; and not because she just kept firing as fast as she could.  Those old west movies that show gunslingers shooting by slapping the hammer while shooting from the hip are total bullshit.  And even the fact that this mother was willing to run upstairs and call the cops first shows her consideration for the intruder; because it proves that she was willing to let him take anything and leave.  She lives in Georgia, which is a 'castle doctrine' state.  Said simply, this means that anyone who uses force to enter into your home is already presumed to have violent intent, and she could have waited at the door for him to break it down and shot him in the atrium, and she wouldn't even have been arrested.

[OpenYourEyes]

The school failed to act 'in loco parentis.'  The parents failed by sending their kids to unsafe public schools (AKA shittiest substitute parents ever) run by libtards who think 'no guns allowed' signs actually work.

I'd like to see you meet a survivor of home invasions from the OP and be all "You had no right to save your life and defend your children using a weaoon.  Because Sandy Hook and stuff."

It would be really funny to watch you get your face smashed in by a justifiably furious hero mom.  

In turn it would be even more rewarding to see you get castrated by one of those unfortunate parents.
I pray, I really do, for the sake of your children, that you may never have any.
 

[MoonShadow]

Sorry mate, you just disqualified yourself.

No mate, you disqualified yourself with your first post.  There is no debate to be had.  No one on this side of the pond really gives a fat flying fuck what "arguments" against our human rights some Eurotrash might be able to present in an obscure Internet forum.  I get so tired of this bullshit.  If you want to have this debate, come to my house and we can have a little chat over tea and crumpets.  I bet you have no idea how many of your countrymen have moved to this country just to get away from asshats like yourself.  I've met several, particularly down at the BBC (http://www.bbcbrew.com/) and all of them would have preferred to stay in their homeland.

And make no mistake, myself and many others really do consider it to be a human right.

http://www.a-human-right.com/

Bugger off, wanker.