Why do Christians hate Atheists?

[youdamushi]

The fact that you think your mind has evolved, shows that it has really devolved. You still haven't shown any differences, while I have shown how people are all alike.

You want differences?
-We now understand most of physics laws which were not even thought about in the 1300

Wrong. The simplest physical laws are still the greatest. For example. One of these is Newton's Law of Gravitation. It is such a strong, evident law, that it took a guy who was into organizing aspects of science to state it. Everyone else understood that gravitation is real, naturally, and they had no reason to state it... probably even thought they would look silly to state something so evident.

Yeah so evident that we had to wait for Newton's law to be able to calculate with precision the trajectory of each planet. That he revolutionned completely both optic and astronomy. Evident.

-The duration of life was doubled

Wrong. You can find both, today, nations and tribes who live on average less than 40 years, and groups like the Hunzas that outlive us on average.

The duration life was doubled in Western world. Precision needed indeed.

-The average human is 30 cm taller and 30Kgs heavier

Simply more meat and protein in the diet. Nothing to do with evolution changes.

Who said it's because of Evolution? You claimed there is no difference, I give you some.

-The nutrition (and so what our body is made of) is incredibly different and more varied than in 1300

Yet you can find groups of people today, who have a less varied diet than that of popular 1300s people.

yes and? You want to bring perticular case or we talk about average difference?

Don't you think those are differences? And that's just what I could think about in 1 min!

You talk like you think that people around the world are all the same. Where in the world do some of you people come up with the junk you talk. I know, I know. It is simply evidence of modern devolution in people. You jokers are getting worse than the Roman Catholic Church of the Middle Ages.

So evidence of evolution of people is not evidence that people are different?

Wow, it seems we don't have the same definitions of the word "different"...

You completely misunderstand, intentionally. People are the same as they have always been. How are they the same? They are the same in that they have ALWAYS been different, not only different between now and the 1300s. People were different in the 1300s just like they are different now.

People are the same in the fact that they have always been different. There isn't anybody who is not different. Therefore they are all the same in this.

AND WE HAVE A WINNEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

"people are the same as they have always been different"!!!


Good! Well we don't need to do anything now! Everything is right as it has always been different!!!
What? Statistical average? It doesn't count at all! It's not because on average we won 20 years of duration of life that it counts you know? Statistics mean nothing anyway!

[BADecker]

The fact that you think your mind has evolved, shows that it has really devolved. You still haven't shown any differences, while I have shown how people are all alike.

You want differences?
-We now understand most of physics laws which were not even thought about in the 1300

Wrong. The simplest physical laws are still the greatest. For example. One of these is Newton's Law of Gravitation. It is such a strong, evident law, that it took a guy who was into organizing aspects of science to state it. Everyone else understood that gravitation is real, naturally, and they had no reason to state it... probably even thought they would look silly to state something so evident.

Yeah so evident that we had to wait for Newton's law to be able to calculate with precision the trajectory of each planet. That he revolutionned completely both optic and astronomy. Evident.

-The duration of life was doubled

Wrong. You can find both, today, nations and tribes who live on average less than 40 years, and groups like the Hunzas that outlive us on average.

The duration life was doubled in Western world. Precision needed indeed.

-The average human is 30 cm taller and 30Kgs heavier

Simply more meat and protein in the diet. Nothing to do with evolution changes.

Who said it's because of Evolution? You claimed there is no difference, I give you some.

-The nutrition (and so what our body is made of) is incredibly different and more varied than in 1300

Yet you can find groups of people today, who have a less varied diet than that of popular 1300s people.

yes and? You want to bring perticular case or we talk about average difference?

Don't you think those are differences? And that's just what I could think about in 1 min!

You talk like you think that people around the world are all the same. Where in the world do some of you people come up with the junk you talk. I know, I know. It is simply evidence of modern devolution in people. You jokers are getting worse than the Roman Catholic Church of the Middle Ages.

So evidence of evolution of people is not evidence that people are different?

Wow, it seems we don't have the same definitions of the word "different"...

You completely misunderstand, intentionally. People are the same as they have always been. How are they the same? They are the same in that they have ALWAYS been different, not only different between now and the 1300s. People were different in the 1300s just like they are different now.

People are the same in the fact that they have always been different. There isn't anybody who is not different. Therefore they are all the same in this.

AND WE HAVE A WINNEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!

"people are the same as they have always been different"!!!


Good! Well we don't need to do anything now! Everything is right as it has always been different!!!
What? Statistical average? It doesn't count at all! It's not because on average we won 20 years of duration of life that it counts you know? Statistics mean nothing anyway!

Statistical average is a lie. Almost never does anyone fit the average close to perfectly. Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.

[valta4065]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

[BADecker]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Bible uses laws to impose the best form of orderly freedom.

Atheism is the religion that imposes slavery.

[BADecker]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

[adverbelly]

I only see hatred flowing in a single direction...

According to studies, an atheist is less trusted than a child molester
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office

Atheist are just like everyone else, except they don't believe in fairy tales... why is everyone so scared of atheists?

not just christians , all the religions hate atheists.. i dont understand their mindset..

[BADecker]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Bible uses laws to impose the best form of orderly freedom.

Atheism is the religion that imposes slavery.

You don't even understand what words in English mean.

How the hell did you get from Atheism to slavery?  Please explain.  You are just putting these things straight out of your ass aren't you?

Look what you just asked. You asked about two different subjects. Do I always have to talk about the same subject? Are you the only one who can talk about more than one subject? How dense are you going to continue to prove that you are?

[BADecker]

I only see hatred flowing in a single direction...

According to studies, an atheist is less trusted than a child molester
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office

Atheist are just like everyone else, except they don't believe in fairy tales... why is everyone so scared of atheists?

not just christians , all the religions hate atheists.. i dont understand their mindset..

Generally Christians don't hate atheists. How can we tell? We can tell by the evangelizing that Christians do among atheists. Christians love atheists, and are trying to see that they get saved.

[BADecker]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

Here you go:

Cause of Bing Bang is not explained.  Saying it is God is just an assertion.
Complexity is not God.  Complexity is just that, complexity.  It is your assertion.
There is no causation between increasing entropy and God.  It is your assertion.

We can't even determine if the Big Bang is real. And you are trying to determine the cause of it?

At least science proves the existence of God, so we know He is real.

If the Big Bang happened to be real in some strange way, it would have to be God to produce the complexity that we see around us, using cause and effect that directs everything, especially in the face of the all-pervading entropy.

[BADecker]

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If the Big Bang happened to be real in some strange way, it would have to be God to produce the complexity that we see around us, using cause and effect that directs everything, especially in the face of the all-pervading entropy.

Why?  Prove that you need God to produce complexity.  Don't say it "would have to be", prove it.

Go.

Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

Since there is no complexity in the universe that we see coming from something equally complex, what is left?

Since we know that there is no real random because everything comes about by cause and effect, what is left?

The only thing that is left is that complexity comes from something more complex.

Science bears this out. Two people of opposite sex are more complex than one person. Why? The one person has only one sex. Even if the person is Bi, the two are still more complex than the one. Only less complexity comes from greater complexity.

Or take a car for example. The car is complex. But the people who made it are way more complex.

There are so extremely many of examples of less complexity coming from greater complexity, and no examples of greater complexity coming from lesser complexity, that this is a law of the universe... at least until someone proves it wrong. They need to start by finding even one example.

The complexity of the universe, and of the brain and mind of man, was made by greater complexity. And since man, complex as he is, barely knows how to extend life a little, the complexity that made life must be way beyond the complexity of man and the universe.

[Moloch]

Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

This is a horrible argument...

If nothing can come from something less complex, means that God must have created the universe... who created God?!?  You just said you need something more complex to create complexity... You can't use this to justify God's existence without using it to exclude the possibility of God...

This is known as the Infinite Regress fallacy

At least science proves the existence of God, so we know He is real.

You should really stop saying that since nobody on the planet agrees with this statement... not even other Christians

If you state something as fact, and nobody agrees with your evidence or conclusion... You are wrong. Period. Full Stop.

[BADecker]

Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

This is a horrible argument...

If nothing can come from something less complex, means that God must have created the universe... who created God?!?  You just said you need something more complex to create complexity... You can't use this to justify God's existence without using it to exclude the possibility of God...

This is known as the Infinite Regress fallacy

We don't know enough about God to suggest that He needed creating - I'm talking from a scientific viewpoint. However, the standard suggestion would be that He doesn't need creating. Here's how it works.

If you build a garage, you might be inside the garage part of the time that you are building it. Yet, you are never part of the garage (except if you accidentally nail your hand to a stud with the nail gun). Neither is God part of the universe He created.

Even if God is within the universe, He is never part of it. Why should He have to follow the laws of the universe? If He followed universe laws, he might become part of the universe a little. But such wouldn't necessitate that He exist completely according the laws of the universe.

While from a scientific standpoint, we might speculate that God might need a cause or reator, we have a long way to go to see if He does or not.

[Moloch]

Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

This is a horrible argument...

If nothing can come from something less complex, means that God must have created the universe... who created God?!?  You just said you need something more complex to create complexity... You can't use this to justify God's existence without using it to exclude the possibility of God...

This is known as the Infinite Regress fallacy

We don't know enough about God to suggest that He needed creating - I'm talking from a scientific viewpoint. However, the standard suggestion would be that He doesn't need creating. Here's how it works.

If you build a garage, you might be inside the garage part of the time that you are building it. Yet, you are never part of the garage (except if you accidentally nail your hand to a stud with the nail gun). Neither is God part of the universe He created.

Even if God is within the universe, He is never part of it. Why should He have to follow the laws of the universe? If He followed universe laws, he might become part of the universe a little. But such wouldn't necessitate that He exist completely according the laws of the universe.

While from a scientific standpoint, we might speculate that God might need a cause or reator, we have a long way to go to see if He does or not.

Are you a robot?  Are you Marco Rubiobot 3000?

Nevermind... silly question... a robot would understand logic...

[mainpmf]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

We just explained why you were wrong and you answer "statistics means nothing".

I can't really say we go much further, if statistics are useless it'll be hard to conclude anything on whole humanity...

[Zeke2345]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
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I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Bible uses laws to impose the best form of orderly freedom.

Atheism is the religion that imposes slavery.

Bible has been rewritten to many times to suit the current power to hold weight in todays world. A lot of the things that are claimed to happen are mostly just mushrooms taking effect. Bring back mushrooms in churches and I will come join.

[BADecker]

Because there is no evidence in any of the complexity in the universe, that it comes from something less complex, we know that complexity must come from something at least as complex.

This is a horrible argument...

If nothing can come from something less complex, means that God must have created the universe... who created God?!?  You just said you need something more complex to create complexity... You can't use this to justify God's existence without using it to exclude the possibility of God...

This is known as the Infinite Regress fallacy

We don't know enough about God to suggest that He needed creating - I'm talking from a scientific viewpoint. However, the standard suggestion would be that He doesn't need creating. Here's how it works.

If you build a garage, you might be inside the garage part of the time that you are building it. Yet, you are never part of the garage (except if you accidentally nail your hand to a stud with the nail gun). Neither is God part of the universe He created.

Even if God is within the universe, He is never part of it. Why should He have to follow the laws of the universe? If He followed universe laws, he might become part of the universe a little. But such wouldn't necessitate that He exist completely according the laws of the universe.

While from a scientific standpoint, we might speculate that God might need a cause or reator, we have a long way to go to see if He does or not.

Are you a robot?  Are you Marco Rubiobot 3000?

Nevermind... silly question... a robot would understand logic...

Robots only seem to understand the things that are programmed into them. Why are you trying to imitate a robot all the time?

[BADecker]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
...

I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

We just explained why you were wrong and you answer "statistics means nothing".

I can't really say we go much further, if statistics are useless it'll be hard to conclude anything on whole humanity...

I understand your frustration. You don't want God to exist for some reason, so you act like you explained something, which you didn't.

Explain what is wrong with the laws or the combining of them.

[Moloch]

A lot of the things that are claimed to happen are mostly just mushrooms taking effect. Bring back mushrooms in churches and I will come join.

Wow, you noticed the shroom thing in the bible too? I thought I was the only one...

Manna = shrooms


According to the bible, manna sprouts up overnight (just like shrooms)... mana resembles a small loaf of bread (like shrooms)

"And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it" (Numbers 11:9)

"And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground" (Exodus 16:14)

"...and when the sun waxed hot it melted" (Exodus 16:21)

"And the house of Israel called the name there of manna: and it was like coriander seed" (Exodus 16:31)

The biggest evidence for manna = shrooms, is the effect it has... eat shrooms, see a burning bush and talk to God...

[mainpmf]

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 Averages exist to be used by governments and big business to control and enslave the people. The propaganda that God doesn't exist is being used for the same thing.
...

I thought that is religion's job, i.e. to control and enslave people.  Bible recommends and describes rules on how to implement slavery.

Yeah but you know him, everytime we get to explain him how he's wrong he denies the last argument. He doesn't counter it, he just denies it. He says "no it doesn't work" and then go on ^^

Yabut, every time I post the laws behind the things I say, nobody counters the laws. They just say that I am wrong. You do the exact thing that you say I do, but you do it almost in everything that you say. At least I give the reason why I say what I say.

We just explained why you were wrong and you answer "statistics means nothing".

I can't really say we go much further, if statistics are useless it'll be hard to conclude anything on whole humanity...

I understand your frustration. You don't want God to exist for some reason, so you act like you explained something, which you didn't.

Explain what is wrong with the laws or the combining of them.

Which laws? You were just talking about how humans don't change and are the same since 1300 and even before...

[BADecker]

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Or take a car for example. The car is complex. But the people who made it are way more complex.

There are so extremely many of examples of less complexity coming from greater complexity, and no examples of greater complexity coming from lesser complexity, that this is a law of the universe... at least until someone proves it wrong. They need to start by finding even one example.
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That is why paying attention in biology class pays off.

I have two questions for you:

Do you know we are mammals? yes or no, please?

Do you know that we have a common ancestor with chimpanzees? yes or no, please?

I'm assuming you acknowledge the evolution since you are claiming God programmed it.

If you accept that live evolves from simpler live forms, you accept that life becomes more complex over time.

These are not necessarily yes or no questions.

We are considered mammalian by many.

Nobody has scientific proof that we have common ancestry with chimpanzees.

Life changes in some ways. The definition of evolve or evolution has only been assumed so far, but has not been given.