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EDIT: Btw, your video is simply some joker talking about some things he seems to believe. No proof is offered for or against Darwinism.
You clearly did not watch the video... please stop pretending you did... I believe the bible says you are not supposed to lie, correct? I never said it offered proof for or against Darwinism... I said he details exactly how Christians twist the words of Darwin to imply something that Darwin did not intend I expect that everybody twists something sometime. What does that have to do with anything that we were discussing? Proof for the existence of God is found in the 3 scientific laws: 1. cause and effect; 2. complex universe; 3. universal entropy. If you can't figure out how it works, look at some of my previous posts where I explain it. To recap, the existence of God is scientific law. This is completely the reason why to stop attempting to examine all the possibilities, and accept the truth that God exists. Once you accept the truth of the existence of God, you can move on to healing yourself through the various things that God provides... especially healing your mortality through the Jesus salvation provided by God. Of course, the reason why people don't want to heal their morTality, is that it would include healing much of their morality. And people want death rather than to stop being immoral.
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February 16, 2016, 08:17:59 PM |
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Of course, the reason why people don't want to heal their morTality, is that it would include healing much of their morality. And people want death rather than to stop being immoral.
Newsflash: Atheists are more moral than Christians If you need examples, look up Norway, Sweden, etc... Do your own research since you won't take my word for it Atheists do not need a God to command them not to kill, steal, etc... We understand the reason why these crimes are detrimental to society without God dictating such Many Christians willingly admit... if they knew for sure God didn't exist... nothing would stop them from becoming a murdering rapist! Take a look at prison statistics... how many Atheists are in prison vs Christians? How many Atheists shoot up a Muslim mosque, abortion clinic or planned parenthood? How many Atheists are in the KKK lynching niggers? How many Atheists are in the WBC protesting soldier funerals, calling them fags? How many Atheists have told you that God will torture you in hell for eternity because you didn't believe their fairy tale?
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modern atheism works itself as a religion, they're programmed to fight each other
atheism is not a religious system.. it is even apart from any religious stuff.. dont give atheism a bad name.. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t: religion [ri-lij-uh n]
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
1. | - | a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe | - | especially in stronger atheists, even though each atheist might have his/her own basic set | | | | | | 1. | - | involving devotional and ritual observances | - | like staying away from the beliefs of other religions | | | | | | 1. | - | often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs | - | atheists live by moral codes | | | | | | 2. | - | a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects | - | many atheists adhere to things like Big Bang Theory and Black Hole Theory, which has been proven to be self-contradictory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc - and they stick together in their beliefs | | | | | | 3. | - | the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices | - | many atheists stick together in their proclamation of theories, often theories that have been proven to be incorrect | | | | | | 5. | - | the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith | - | since many scientific theories that atheists adhere to as fact have never been proven, yet atheists and atheist groups ritually brainwash themselves into maintaining their belief in them as truth; these are religious beliefs that atheists hold to by faith, just like any other religion | | | | | | 6. | - | something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience | - | weak atheists might not have this, just like weak believers of other religions; strong atheists have this, just like strong believers of other religions | | | | | | 8. | - | Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion | - | many atheists hold to their ideas even when they have been proven wrong... not daring to even examine the proof lest their faith be weakened or even fail |
By examining the above, it can be easily seen that atheism is a religion. Just like many other religions, atheism doesn't follow all the parts of the definition. But it follows a majority of them... just like many other religions. However, if atheism happens to NOT be a religion, it is so extremely close to a religion that many of its adherents and proponents are religiously atheistic people anyway.
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... This is completely the reason why to stop attempting to examine all the possibilities, and accept the truth that God exists. Once you accept the truth of the existence of God, you can move on to healing yourself through the various things that God provides... especially healing your mortality through the Jesus salvation provided by God. Of course, the reason w hy people don't want to heal their morTality, is that it would include healing much of their morality. And people want death rather than to stop being immoral.We are mortal. Nothing to heal there. It is a fact. People who die never come back. We don't have a mechanism to revive dead cells, yet. AI might offer immortality, once we completely understand how our brain works and can be transplanted to another host. I hope you are not getting your morality from the Bible. Don't romanticize about bronze age. Those there brutal, cruel times in human history. You would be afraid, cold and hungry most of your life. You would not want to live in those times, with Bible or without. BTW, we are Gods to all the people who lived in the times of Jesus. If you showed up with your smartphone, car or helicopter in the times when the bible was written, you'll be worshiped or killed.
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February 16, 2016, 08:39:47 PM |
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... This is completely the reason why to stop attempting to examine all the possibilities, and accept the truth that God exists. Once you accept the truth of the existence of God, you can move on to healing yourself through the various things that God provides... especially healing your mortality through the Jesus salvation provided by God. Of course, the reason w hy people don't want to heal their morTality, is that it would include healing much of their morality. And people want death rather than to stop being immoral.We are mortal. Nothing to heal there. It is a fact. People who die never come back. We don't have a mechanism to revive dead cells, yet. AI might offer immortality, once we completely understand how our brain works and can be transplanted to another host. I hope you are not getting your morality from the Bible. Don't romanticize about bronze age. Those there brutal, cruel times in human history. You would be afraid, cold and hungry most of your life. You would not want to live in those times, with Bible or without. BTW, we are Gods to all the people who lived in the times of Jesus. If you showed up with your smartphone, car or helicopter in the times when the bible was written, you'll be worshiped or killed. One of the first things that scientists and researchers who are looking for anti-aging methods think about is, that someday we may not be mortal any longer. We don't have enough information scientifically speaking, to know whether or not we had immortality at some time in the past, but then threw it away. Religiously speaking we know about this, however.
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February 16, 2016, 08:40:18 PM |
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(ignorance clipped for your protection)
Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist... The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god... If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc
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February 16, 2016, 08:41:10 PM |
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modern atheism works itself as a religion, they're programmed to fight each other
atheism is not a religious system.. it is even apart from any religious stuff.. dont give atheism a bad name.. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t: religion [ri-lij-uh n]
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
1. | - | a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe | - | especially in stronger atheists, even though each atheist might have his/her own basic set | | | | | | 1. | - | involving devotional and ritual observances | - | like staying away from the beliefs of other religions | | | | | | 1. | - | often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs | - | atheists live by moral codes | | | | | | 2. | - | a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects | - | many atheists adhere to things like Big Bang Theory and Black Hole Theory, which has been proven to be self-contradictory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc - and they stick together in their beliefs | | | | | | 3. | - | the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices | - | many atheists stick together in their proclamation of theories, often theories that have been proven to be incorrect | | | | | | 5. | - | the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith | - | since many scientific theories that atheists adhere to as fact have never been proven, yet atheists and atheist groups ritually brainwash themselves into maintaining their belief in them as truth; these are religious beliefs that atheists hold to by faith, just like any other religion | | | | | | 6. | - | something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience | - | weak atheists might not have this, just like weak believers of other religions; strong atheists have this, just like strong believers of other religions | | | | | | 8. | - | Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion | - | many atheists hold to their ideas even when they have been proven wrong... not daring to even examine the proof lest their faith be weakened or even fail |
By examining the above, it can be easily seen that atheism is a religion. Just like many other religions, atheism doesn't follow all the parts of the definition. But it follows a majority of them... just like many other religions. However, if atheism happens to NOT be a religion, it is so extremely close to a religion that many of its adherents and proponents are religiously atheistic people anyway. Simplifying things a bit, and going to the definition: the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Now if you want to call it a religion, fine. Still it means what is means. Whether you call it a religion or not.
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February 16, 2016, 08:43:15 PM |
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Moloch, you beat me to it.
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February 16, 2016, 08:46:50 PM |
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Moloch, you beat me to it.
Not that it matters... BADecker knows he is lying... He thinks if he can get another fool to believe his lies, that he is doing Gods work... (which is the reason I started clipping his nonsense out of replies I make)
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February 16, 2016, 08:54:02 PM |
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I owe you a beer sir!
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February 16, 2016, 09:17:02 PM |
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(ignorance clipped for your protection)
Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma This is quite evident from the mush that they spout. Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist... But many atheists DO believe in these things. So, what? The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god... Since there is lots of evidence that can be interpreted in ways that show that there at least might be a God... And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists... And since no atheist knows for a fact that God does not exist... The atheist is setting himself up as god just by attempting to believe that God does not exist. Thus, atheism is self-contradictory, and therefor a lie. If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity The bible is eye-witness reports about things that could only exist if God exists. If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah The Koran is great evidence for allah. It proves itself a liar by being such evidence. But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc
Until you look at contradictory evidence. Then evolution and big bang crash out of even being theory.
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February 16, 2016, 09:20:59 PM |
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modern atheism works itself as a religion, they're programmed to fight each other
atheism is not a religious system.. it is even apart from any religious stuff.. dont give atheism a bad name.. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t: religion [ri-lij-uh n]
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites: painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
1. | - | a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe | - | especially in stronger atheists, even though each atheist might have his/her own basic set | | | | | | 1. | - | involving devotional and ritual observances | - | like staying away from the beliefs of other religions | | | | | | 1. | - | often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs | - | atheists live by moral codes | | | | | | 2. | - | a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects | - | many atheists adhere to things like Big Bang Theory and Black Hole Theory, which has been proven to be self-contradictory - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc - and they stick together in their beliefs | | | | | | 3. | - | the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices | - | many atheists stick together in their proclamation of theories, often theories that have been proven to be incorrect | | | | | | 5. | - | the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith | - | since many scientific theories that atheists adhere to as fact have never been proven, yet atheists and atheist groups ritually brainwash themselves into maintaining their belief in them as truth; these are religious beliefs that atheists hold to by faith, just like any other religion | | | | | | 6. | - | something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience | - | weak atheists might not have this, just like weak believers of other religions; strong atheists have this, just like strong believers of other religions | | | | | | 8. | - | Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion | - | many atheists hold to their ideas even when they have been proven wrong... not daring to even examine the proof lest their faith be weakened or even fail |
By examining the above, it can be easily seen that atheism is a religion. Just like many other religions, atheism doesn't follow all the parts of the definition. But it follows a majority of them... just like many other religions. However, if atheism happens to NOT be a religion, it is so extremely close to a religion that many of its adherents and proponents are religiously atheistic people anyway. Simplifying things a bit, and going to the definition: the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Now if you want to call it a religion, fine. Still it means what is means. Whether you call it a religion or not. As I have said before (above) the fact that atheists do not know that God doesn't exist, yet try to believe that God doesn't exist, shows that they are setting themselves up as gods. So, atheism is self-contradictory and a lie.
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February 16, 2016, 09:27:56 PM |
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And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists...
Go talk to James Randi and claim your $1,000,000 if you think you can All the proof you need is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_ChallengeSince 1964, the James Randi foundation offered to give anyone $1,000,000 who could provide any scientific evidence for anything supernatural, including religion... In over 50 years, not a single person could provide any legitimate scientific evidence in a controlled setting... In fact, not a single person made it past the preliminary stage, which was much less controlled... Be careful with Randi though, he's smart: James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith Healer
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February 16, 2016, 09:41:49 PM |
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And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists...
Go talk to James Randi and claim your $1,000,000 if you think you can All the proof you need is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_ChallengeSince 1964, the James Randi foundation offered to give anyone $1,000,000 who could provide any scientific evidence for anything supernatural, including religion... In over 50 years, not a single person could provide any legitimate scientific evidence in a controlled setting... In fact, not a single person made it past the preliminary stage, which was much less controlled... Be careful with Randi though, he's smart: James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith HealerHey, thanks for the advice and encouragement.
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February 16, 2016, 09:55:03 PM |
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And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists...
Go talk to James Randi and claim your $1,000,000 if you think you can All the proof you need is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_ChallengeSince 1964, the James Randi foundation offered to give anyone $1,000,000 who could provide any scientific evidence for anything supernatural, including religion... In over 50 years, not a single person could provide any legitimate scientific evidence in a controlled setting... In fact, not a single person made it past the preliminary stage, which was much less controlled... Be careful with Randi though, he's smart: James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith HealerHey, thanks for the advice and encouragement. I just want to see the video he makes for the lols
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And since I have shown the scientific proof that God exists...
Go talk to James Randi and claim your $1,000,000 if you think you can All the proof you need is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_ChallengeSince 1964, the James Randi foundation offered to give anyone $1,000,000 who could provide any scientific evidence for anything supernatural, including religion... In over 50 years, not a single person could provide any legitimate scientific evidence in a controlled setting... In fact, not a single person made it past the preliminary stage, which was much less controlled... Be careful with Randi though, he's smart: James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith HealerHey, thanks for the advice and encouragement. Dude if you get the one million I swear to God I'll give you another one! You can quote me for future reference xD
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February 17, 2016, 11:01:06 PM |
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Moloch, you beat me to it.
Not that it matters... BADecker knows he is lying... He thinks if he can get another fool to believe his lies, that he is doing Gods work... (which is the reason I started clipping his nonsense out of replies I make) I don't think he knows he's lying. i think he can't really understand this ^^
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As I have said before (above) the fact that atheists do not know that God doesn't exist, yet try to believe that God doesn't exist, shows that they are setting themselves up as gods. So, atheism is self-contradictory and a lie.
Dude if you get the one million I swear to God I'll give you another one! You can quote me for future reference xD
I will also give you a million, and I think every other user that contradicted you here. So, (BADecker) as to continue with the idea, I'd like to personally inform you that theoretically you're a millionaire. On the practical side - not so much. I think you got the general idea.
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February 18, 2016, 01:46:38 AM |
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Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma
Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist...
The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god...
If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity
If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah
But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc
I hate to break this to you, but Atheists do have a belief.... They believe there is no god and there is no almost atheist. You are or you are not and anyone who feels they don't believe something that is in the Koran or in the bible (this includes the "evidence," as you put it, which isn't the entire reason people read the bible or the Koran) does not mean that they do not believe in God. It would really be the interpretation of what they read and would be the main reason for the numerous amounts of religion and factions of religion. Now I am under the impression that many Atheists are misguided and are really just Non-Theists, which is what I would claim to be. A Non-Theist of course would define themselves as someone who doesn't understand why people even care about the belief and even disbelief in god and also someone doesn't care about proof or no proof. Newsflash: Atheists are more moral than Christians
If you need examples, look up Norway, Sweden, etc... Do your own research since you won't take my word for it
Atheists do not need a God to command them not to kill, steal, etc... We understand the reason why these crimes are detrimental to society without God dictating such Many Christians willingly admit... if they knew for sure God didn't exist... nothing would stop them from becoming a murdering rapist!
Take a look at prison statistics... how many Atheists are in prison vs Christians?
How many Atheists shoot up a Muslim mosque, abortion clinic or planned parenthood?
How many Atheists are in the KKK lynching niggers?
How many Atheists are in the WBC protesting soldier funerals, calling them fags?
How many Atheists have told you that God will torture you in hell for eternity because you didn't believe their fairy tale?
This is probably your greatest post. It is full of good points, I suppose, but you negate to notice key events in history. The Nazi agenda was not fueled by religion, it was quite the opposite and would see the decimation of millions; over ten million to be exact. Stalin's Soviet Russia is another that had a great impact who would see millions also killed under his rule. This again, was practically Atheist. Karl Marx would write that religion was the opiate for the masses. So if you want to make a tally, at least ensure that you are not forgetting the tens of millions dead due to anti-religious agendas.
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February 18, 2016, 01:56:21 AM |
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Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma
Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist...
The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god...
If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity
If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah
But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc
I hate to break this to you, but Atheists do have a belief.... They believe there is no god and there is no almost atheist. You are or you are not and anyone who feels they don't believe something that is in the Koran or in the bible (this includes the "evidence," as you put it, which isn't the reason people read the bible or the Koran) does not mean that they do not believe in God. It would really be the interpretation of what they read and would be the main reason for the numerous amounts of religion and factions of religion. Now I am under the impression that many Atheists are misguided and are really just Non-Theists, which is what I would claim to be. A Non-Theist of course would define themselves as someone who doesn't understand why people even care about the belief and even disbelief in god and also someone doesn't care about proof or no proof. Newsflash: Atheists are more moral than Christians
If you need examples, look up Norway, Sweden, etc... Do your own research since you won't take my word for it
Atheists do not need a God to command them not to kill, steal, etc... We understand the reason why these crimes are detrimental to society without God dictating such Many Christians willingly admit... if they knew for sure God didn't exist... nothing would stop them from becoming a murdering rapist!
Take a look at prison statistics... how many Atheists are in prison vs Christians?
How many Atheists shoot up a Muslim mosque, abortion clinic or planned parenthood?
How many Atheists are in the KKK lynching niggers?
How many Atheists are in the WBC protesting soldier funerals, calling them fags?
How many Atheists have told you that God will torture you in hell for eternity because you didn't believe their fairy tale?
This is probably your greatest post. It is full of good points, I suppose, but you negate to notice key events in history. The Nazi agenda, was not fueled by religion, it was quite the opposite and would see the decimation of millions; over ten million to be exact. Stalin's Soviet Russia is another that had a great impact who would see millions also killed under his rule. This again, was practically Atheist. Karl Marx would write that religion was the opiate for the masses. So if you want to make a tally, at least ensure that you are not forgetting the tens of millions dead due to anti-religious agendas. Hitler killed in the name of Nazism not Atheism or Christianity. Stalin killed in the name of Communism not Atheism.
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