My proposal to reduce signature campaign spamming

[Lauda]

Much spam comes from 20 posts per day.. or more.. Just quit this practice paying per day and per post.
Best is paying per week or per month.
Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

All is on managers and Admins..

What are you basing these numbers on? Are you trying to tell me that nobody is able to make more than 5 highly contructive posts per day? If so, then this is a case of faulty generalization. Take for example Shorena. Should we punish them and reduce their payout just because 99% of other people are spamming in signature campaigns? If we're going to put up limits then the limits have to be right.

Well, I'm quite tolerable in terms of sig spam.

You're weak; my cat does not like weak people. I'd start with a 1 year signature removal with the first ban.

[arbitrage]

Many posters are here only because of paid posts not like Shorena.
I think many can post quality posts but this is only opportunity for those with bad intent..
If you limit paid posts you will get more quality. At least you will have 4x less posts.
I don't mind if you ban someone for a year, but ban him from signature if we talk about signature spam!

[mexxer-2]

You're weak; my cat does not like weak people. I'd start with a 1 year signature removal with the first ban.

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

Aand another point for mesmer speech. Mesmer -1 Cat -1(Strength)

[Lauda]

Many posters are here only because of paid posts not like Shorena.
I think many can post quality posts but this is only opportunity for those with bad intent..

So the solution is to punish people like Shorena because of the people with bad intentions? That's not really the right way forward. Either we remove them completely or work out a really good set of restrictions.

If you limit paid posts you will get more quality. At least you will have 4x less posts.
I don't mind if you ban someone for a year, but ban him from signature if we talk about signature spam!

I didn't say ban them for a year, I said remove their signature for a year.

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

There won't be many changes if the community does not do anything.

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

You're saying that we should give up?

Aand another point for mesmer speech. Mesmer -1 Cat -1(Strength)

Understand this, I do not.

[arbitrage]

Managers of those campaigns must find better solutions for validation of members and their posts.
Shorena shouldn't be paid as others, posts history can determine price for example.
 So more you give more you get..

[arbitrage]

I don't see the end if you hunt people and punishing them for posting low quality.
Try to stimulate people through system of rewards, and disqualifications from game.
You have here clear example: of math:

(number of posts/day)*number of days = low quality from majority.
( pay/week)+bonus for quality =quality improving
pay per month based on quality = clear quality

They already have limits per week or month..

Give me  0.01 or more    per week and i will give you quality, if not good buy..
So i must prove to management of S.C. that my post are worth something.

[mexxer-2]

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

There won't be many changes if the community does not do anything.

*Cough* The sig spammers are "the community"

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

You're saying that we should give up?

Considering the authority doesn't want to do anything about it, just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

[Heutenamos]

Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

So what, i can still spam those 5 posts if i have to ? and 5 spam posts from 50k people is like 250000 spam posts a day.Do you think this is going to work ?

Many of the reputed people around were banned in their past and some even multiple times.People get banned and they learn to post.It's just a forum with people.Pupil are not even losing their shoes dirt.This is just overrated.

The Community ? The Revolution ? The Change ? The Apocalypse ? -- just stop dreaming and start thinking

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them    I don't want to be a human , I am GOD 

[mexxer-2]

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them    I don't want to be a human , I am GOD 

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

[ColderThanIce]

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them    I don't want to be a human , I am GOD 

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

I think that definitely helped to clean up a bunch of those Off-Topic, 2 word spammers, but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned. Seems that the most problematic campaigns are the massive ones (like Yo-Bit) where there is very little or no policing of posts going on - I think that's the real root of the problem. If they did some manual work looking at the post history of some of their participants, and removing the spamming participants on their own that would benefit all of us.

[Heutenamos]

but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned.

Maybe alt's of the old banned users ?

very little or no policing of posts going on

Why should they ? It's not their job.

that would benefit all of us.

How ?

[mexxer-2]

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them    I don't want to be a human , I am GOD  

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

I think that definitely helped to clean up a bunch of those Off-Topic, 2 word spammers, but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned. Seems that the most problematic campaigns are the massive ones (like Yo-Bit) where there is very little or no policing of posts going on - I think that's the real root of the problem. If they did some manual work looking at the post history of some of their participants, and removing the spamming participants on their own that would benefit all of us.

Well they did hire hilarious for signature campaign managing, so... any new spammers are on him I guess

[Jet Cash]

The problem is deciding whether to reward for posting, or post for rewards. Thequality of posting can be different for each. You also have to consider the economics of running the forum, If its income isderived from ppi, then spammers help the board, but not if they drive away quality members. The answer could be heavy modding for the tech and information boards, and a more relaxed attitude to some of the other boards.

[ColderThanIce]

very little or no policing of posts going on

Why should they ? It's not their job.

That's fair, but it gives their site a poor reputation. After seeing users spamming posts while wearing signatures of websites, I'm definitely not interested in visiting or using the site being advertised. I suspect there are other people who would feel the same way about this.

that would benefit all of us.

How ?

Do you appreciate reading through threads when a good portion of the posts are spam or make no sense? I don't, and often that's what signature campaign spammers seem to do. If you cut down on the spamming signature campaign participants, I think you'd be cutting down on these sort of spam posts too. Obviously not all of them, but a good chunk of them.

[Heutenamos]

That's fair, but it gives their site a poor reputation.

Since when the signatures are being run for reputation.Every withdrawal or typical problems reported by users on yobit has been sorted out pretty quickly.I would say the guy is active and the exchange is not a scam to this time.

I'm definitely not interested in visiting or using the site being advertised. I suspect there are other people who would feel the same way about this.

I don't think that is a wise decision cause there is more than 60,000 btc trade volume on Polo and pretty huge on Trex too, but i don't see their signatures at all ? Do you think that betcoinTM,Polo,Trex owner's are going to visit the forum to police the posts ?

The company's advertising manger could be a lazy guy or something similar but there is no point to judge their brand based on that.Sometimes the owner might not even know what the manger is doing or where he is promoting.

Do you appreciate reading through threads when a good portion of the posts are spam or make no sense?

No I don't ,but it is not my job to read those posts cause i have a right to ignore them or even the whole board.Why should i involve myself into that ? I might report if someone is abusing terribly or wrong sectioning, other than that PAID staff is there.

[arbitrage]

The Community ? The Revolution ? The Change ? The Apocalypse ? -- just stop dreaming and start thinking

This is very inspiring but it is less helpful.

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

This is what i'm talking about you won't accomplish anything with this.
But managers can and must.

Well they did hire hilarious for signature campaign managing, so... any new spammers are on him I guess

Yes this is their responsibility in majority cases!

Do you think that betcoinTM,Polo,Trex owner's are going to visit the forum to police the posts ?

Yes this is why they have managers for campaign and they must take justice in their hands, instead they do nothing at the moment..They are paid i think. If they don't have managers they must hire some.

Conclusion?

[arbitrage]

@Mexxer
You could be great supervisor for those signatures campaigns?
You could be paid from managers, as "quality checker" for what you are doing now, i suppose?
 

[mexxer-2]

@Mexxer
You could be great supervisor for those signatures campaigns?
You could be paid from managers, as "quality checker" for what you are doing now, i suppose?
 

I did offer my services as a campaign manager, no site would be interested in quality campaigns however(except ones run by zengry and Carra) as most favor quantity for sticking their ads up your face. Nothing will change unless administration(forum) decides to make it strict. Personally Quora's rules seem awesome

[Heutenamos]

This is very inspiring but it is less helpful.

What is inspiring ?

Yes this is why they have managers for campaign

I said that because reputation and spam are two separate things.

Quora's rules seem awesome

So Quoraing instead of Signaturing ?

[arbitrage]

This is very inspiring but it is less helpful.

What is inspiring ?

I was sarcastic. I don't know why alway someone must say things like you did ?

The Community ? The Revolution ? The Change ? The Apocalypse ? -- just stop dreaming and start thinking

We just talking about this, and i think we all can contribute solving this problem.

Personally Quora's rules seem awesome

I don't know what is that? An how this is going to help?