[ANN] www.terrawallet.com - CLOSED -

[jubalix]

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand it is this:

Wallet is on a fork. The coins that are received on each address are then put into the SHARED wallet of the site. These coins then get mixed with all the other users coins. So when for example coins are sent out from your account, they are not sent from only your address, they are collected from all the addresses on the server. So you  might deposit on your address, but when you withdraw- it comes from any combination of addresses. Hence the idea that in an instawallet you don't own your private key.

With the terrawallet you also have Instacodes- which allows users to transfer their balances from one account to someone else's account. These transactions do not occur on the blockchain, thus if you put 100 TRC on your "address", and then send 100 TRC to another account with an instacode, no coins actually move with the private key of that address. Instead the balance is just moved. Additionally, the cold wallet sends coins automatically off the server to a different wallet entirely, not all the coins but only partially.

I am unable to determine accurately when we started being on the fork, and what transactions took place while being on the fork (indeed perhaps even which fork! As the software was updated multiple times due to errors) including instacodes and thus the remaining balances. If anyone else has problems, contact me and I will see what I can do.

But I can see exactly where you cleared the TRC to, using he TRC block chain eplorer

No THIS is not how block chains or forks of block chains work

wallets do not Fork just for a start IT IS IRRELEVANT WHEN THE FORK TOOK PLACE, Or that a Fork even took place.

Collect all you addresses for cold and hot storage, and list them here, then we can see what balance is there on the real block chain,

DO NOT DELETE ANY PRIVATE KEY OR ADDRESS YOU HAVE

for instance I can see 82 TRC on


http://cryptocoinexplorer.com:3750/address/16DEAoRSC3Dpe4QTrv6PRZyG22ZsGdoFeA

and this was the address you were clearing wallets to as my wallet was completely cleared including to that address, but not by me

You can then get access to them by using the debug console of any TRC client

All that happens to the Forked block chain is eventually those are new coins that people may or may not chose to reconise.


All the original coins on the accepted Block Chain all still exist.

Your description on what happened does not make sense....no one could be withdrawing to a legitimate chain from the forked chain...if you were running that some how Further I read through your links and it appears there was no "fork" or 51% attack

In any even every coin is preserved in the real blockchain!!!

I need mine back, and your holding the private keys

l will sort this out but your missing the point about how shared wallets work. You deposit coins on your address, an the wallet keeps track of your wallet, however when you SEND coins they can come from any address on the wallet- the dont come just from yours. Hence you can't play games like satoshi dice with a special transaction. Because your coins are tracked by a database, NOT by the blockchain. All instawallets and all exchanges, you can not track your balance by the blockchain. Will some else please chime in here to help explain what I mean? Your coins are not keep on a private key. Hence you can't check your deposit address at btce or gox with the blockchain to discover your balance. Try it- you will see I am right.

But I can see exactly where the TRC was cleared, to, and you then say that the TRC are stuck on a Forked chain.

They are not, when you fork a chain, You clone all the coins but as no one else support the chain, they do not accept the cloned coins on that chain

On the real chain you can still see all the address and and the amounts they contain.

Let me put it this way,

[1] You claim there was a negligible amount of TRC left anyway

[2] In your sell wallet thread you are going to delete all the data, keys private infor etc

[3] SO give me all the private keys to this "negligible amount" I will even pay you 100 TRC for the private keys to the neglible amount and let me sort this out because I can see how much TRC is there right now.

[crazy_rabbit]

I wi

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand it is this:

Wallet is on a fork. The coins that are received on each address are then put into the SHARED wallet of the site. These coins then get mixed with all the other users coins. So when for example coins are sent out from your account, they are not sent from only your address, they are collected from all the addresses on the server. So you  might deposit on your address, but when you withdraw- it comes from any combination of addresses. Hence the idea that in an instawallet you don't own your private key.

With the terrawallet you also have Instacodes- which allows users to transfer their balances from one account to someone else's account. These transactions do not occur on the blockchain, thus if you put 100 TRC on your "address", and then send 100 TRC to another account with an instacode, no coins actually move with the private key of that address. Instead the balance is just moved. Additionally, the cold wallet sends coins automatically off the server to a different wallet entirely, not all the coins but only partially.

I am unable to determine accurately when we started being on the fork, and what transactions took place while being on the fork (indeed perhaps even which fork! As the software was updated multiple times due to errors) including instacodes and thus the remaining balances. If anyone else has problems, contact me and I will see what I can do.

But I can see exactly where you cleared the TRC to, using he TRC block chain eplorer

No THIS is not how block chains or forks of block chains work

wallets do not Fork just for a start IT IS IRRELEVANT WHEN THE FORK TOOK PLACE, Or that a Fork even took place.

Collect all you addresses for cold and hot storage, and list them here, then we can see what balance is there on the real block chain,

DO NOT DELETE ANY PRIVATE KEY OR ADDRESS YOU HAVE

for instance I can see 82 TRC on


http://cryptocoinexplorer.com:3750/address/16DEAoRSC3Dpe4QTrv6PRZyG22ZsGdoFeA

and this was the address you were clearing wallets to as my wallet was completely cleared including to that address, but not by me

You can then get access to them by using the debug console of any TRC client

All that happens to the Forked block chain is eventually those are new coins that people may or may not chose to reconise.


All the original coins on the accepted Block Chain all still exist.

Your description on what happened does not make sense....no one could be withdrawing to a legitimate chain from the forked chain...if you were running that some how Further I read through your links and it appears there was no "fork" or 51% attack

In any even every coin is preserved in the real blockchain!!!

I need mine back, and your holding the private keys

l will sort this out but your missing the point about how shared wallets work. You deposit coins on your address, an the wallet keeps track of your wallet, however when you SEND coins they can come from any address on the wallet- the dont come just from yours. Hence you can't play games like satoshi dice with a special transaction. Because your coins are tracked by a database, NOT by the blockchain. All instawallets and all exchanges, you can not track your balance by the blockchain. Will some else please chime in here to help explain what I mean? Your coins are not keep on a private key. Hence you can't check your deposit address at btce or gox with the blockchain to discover your balance. Try it- you will see I am right.

But I can see exactly where the TRC was cleared, to, and you then say that the TRC are stuck on a Forked chain.

They are not, when you fork a chain, You clone all the coins but as no one else support the chain, they do not accept the cloned coins on that chain

On the real chain you can still see all the address and and the amounts they contain.

Let me put it this way,

[1] You claim there was a negligible amount of TRC left anyway

[2] In your sell wallet thread you are going to delete all the data, keys private infor etc

[3] SO give me all the private keys to this "negligible amount" I will even pay you 100 TRC for the private keys to the neglible amount and let me sort this out because I can see how much TRC is there right now.

You don't need to send pay me 100TRC, I will settle this with you jubalix. But understand this- your TRC was not "cleared" to any address. You are missing the point. Any other user could have withdrawn the TRC on your "address" because the wallet is shared. Walters example of the bank is the best example- all the coins get mixed together, it's not tracked by your address. 

Imagine before the fork users deposit 100 dollars in the bank, and the bank database says "100 dollars". Then during the fork a users deposits another 100 dollars and the bank adds 100 coins to this users balance. Now the bank has 200 dollars total. Then I upgrade the bank after the fork- the 100 dollars that was deposited durring the fork disappears. Now there is only 100 dollars in the bank, but in the database it shows I have 200 dollars. But I don't know who deposited durring the fork, so I don't know who's balance to deduct 100 dollars from. All i see is a database that shows 200 dollars and a wallet that shows 100 dollars. Any exchange would have the same problem.

The only 'instant wallet' that would not have a problem is one like blockchain- which are not instawallets at all, it's a client side decrypted version of an individual wallet- meaning yes, after a fork, your coins would all be still there.

Please don't be mad, I will settle this with you today, and if you have any more questions, please PM me and I will respond to everything.

For anyone else- this sort of situation is exactly why the site had listed everywhere that it was beta and you could lose coins for any reason- my own stupidity included. Indeed in the end the problem had nothing to do with the wallet at all- a fork was beyond my control as I was unable to update the software fast enough. I'm a huge TRC fan but there is even yet *another* mandatory update right now out. The reason I'm open sourcing the software, or selling it if someones interested, is because I dont' have time to keep with these sort of mandatory updates and I'm not interested in the responsibility of holding something more valuable like BTC or LTC. Too much stress.

[crazy_rabbit]

I wanted to do an update as another user has come forward to ask about coins.

The wallet is closed and will not reopen. For a combination of reasons that were described in this thread and another by Jubalix, I have mismanaged the service and your coins are lost. At some point during upgrading the database balance no longer reflected the actual server balance and a user or users withdrew more coins then they really had on balance.  I assume this was inadvertent as some users may have deposited while the wallet was on one chain, and withdrew while on another. The software was not final version- nor anywhere close and many things had not been taken care of yet.

That said, there are a number of things I am unhappy about that I believe lead to this, however they have been spoken about numerous times in other threads.

To the users who have written thoughtfully to ask for questions or details, I believe I have have written you each back. To those who have written rather nasty messages even before I announced the closure to complain with vulgar language: I probably won't write you back.

I must stress that all users were warned clearly on every page of the site that it was Beta and that there was a very real possibility of losing your coins. I regret that this has happened but I must stress the warning listed on every page:

"Do not lose your password- it can not be reset! As the Value of TRC rises on the exchange we must say again- this is BETA and with no warrenty! Also, don't store more coins then you can afford to lose- this site is still yet BETA and we won't take any responsbility for hacks, intrusions, coding errors or negligence! Don't be stupid. If you think it's real money, treat it like it's real money, and store it in a paper wallet! You can make one here: www.terrawallet.info"

I will be posting the source code for the wallet soon.


 

[Walter Rothbard]

Thanks for the service, Rabbit!  I actually used Terrawallet.com before I even had the Terracoin client running locally.

[webosftw]

Thanks for the service, Rabbit!  I actually used Terrawallet.com before I even had the Terracoin client running locally.

This. Really hate seeing it get closed down.

[Walter Rothbard]

Thanks for the service, Rabbit!  I actually used Terrawallet.com before I even had the Terracoin client running locally.

This. Really hate seeing it get closed down.

It or something like it might reemerge from the market.

But if so, it won't be run by anybody as nice as Rabbit, will it?

[crazy_rabbit]

The core will be open sourced so anyone else can build something like it. It was great while terracoin wasn't real money. Thank god I didn't run into these problems when TRC was worth $1 each or something. When the source is checked, I'll release it for download.

[kooke]

aww I had 100 TRC on there 

[ZephramC]

I wanted to do an update as another user has come forward to ask about coins.

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I must stress that all users were warned clearly on every page of the site that it was Beta and that there was a very real possibility of losing your coins. I regret that this has happened but I must stress the warning listed on every page:

"Do not lose your password- it can not be reset! As the Value of TRC rises on the exchange we must say again- this is BETA and with no warrenty! Also, don't store more coins then you can afford to lose- this site is still yet BETA and we won't take any responsbility for hacks, intrusions, coding errors or negligence! Don't be stupid. If you think it's real money, treat it like it's real money, and store it in a paper wallet! You can make one here: www.terrawallet.info"

I will be posting the source code for the wallet soon.


 

Well. It looks that I should be more careful next time and take the warnings seriously . Deset korun v háji.

[webosftw]

So when will you be releasing the source? Are you still planning on releasing it?

[Walter Rothbard]

Any plans for a testnet wallet?

[webosftw]

@crazy_rabbit any news?

[MoneypakTrader.com]

@crazy_rabbit any news?

Ditto, there's people who want to see just how crappy TradeFortress' web-dev is.