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February 14, 2016, 08:02:27 PM
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similarly, all the scammer notations made by *just* Quickseller are now un-trusted and all the scammer's accounts are now showing neutral again.  (Something the scammers themselves seem to be mercifully unaware of)
I have actually been off of the default trust network for several months now.

In the days after I was officially removed there were a very high number of scammer accounts that logged in after several months of inactivity, many of which made additional scam attempts


Do you have examples on hand?

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February 14, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
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similarly, all the scammer notations made by *just* Quickseller are now un-trusted and all the scammer's accounts are now showing neutral again.  (Something the scammers themselves seem to be mercifully unaware of)
I have actually been off of the default trust network for several months now.

In the days after I was officially removed there were a very high number of scammer accounts that logged in after several months of inactivity, many of which made additional scam attempts


Do you have examples on hand?
There were a number of threads created including this one and this one, and I want to say there was at least one more.

I know that cryptoforcause and several other of puzzel.me's alts "came back to life" shortly after I was removed from the DT network

I am not sure if he was inactive after I left him negative trust, however GamingOn has negative trust for deleting posts in a self moderated thread in which he was attempting to scam.

Turtlehurricane was found to be in default of 20BTC+ worth of loans

CEG5952 defaulted on a 1BTC+ loan that he took out not long after I was removed.

I want to say there are a few others as well, but I cannot think of them off the top of my head.

edit: I know that a couple of alts of moriartybitcoin that I tagged had attempted to purchase a number of websites (that would likely be used to scam).

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February 14, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
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similarly, all the scammer notations made by *just* Quickseller are now un-trusted and all the scammer's accounts are now showing neutral again.  (Something the scammers themselves seem to be mercifully unaware of)
I have actually been off of the default trust network for several months now.

In the days after I was officially removed there were a very high number of scammer accounts that logged in after several months of inactivity, many of which made additional scam attempts


Do you have examples on hand?
There were a number of threads created including this one and this one, and I want to say there was at least one more.

I know that cryptoforcause and several other of puzzel.me's alts "came back to life" shortly after I was removed from the DT network

I am not sure if he was inactive after I left him negative trust, however GamingOn has negative trust for deleting posts in a self moderated thread in which he was attempting to scam.

Turtlehurricane was found to be in default of 20BTC+ worth of loans

CEG5952 defaulted on a 1BTC+ loan that he took out not long after I was removed.

I want to say there are a few others as well, but I cannot think of them off the top of my head.

edit: I know that a couple of alts of moriartybitcoin that I tagged had attempted to purchase a number of websites (that would likely be used to scam).

Thanks for the heads up!

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February 15, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
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Good one. Now add how ratings gain weight over time Tongue xD
Ah right, but the lazy me is back again so thats gonna take some time. JK, thats a pretty no-brainer itself:

When someone gets a feedback from someone in your trust list, their rating doesn't automatically increase.  The rating "system" is as follows
15: -0 / +7
15(Rating): -0(Negative feedbacks from users in your trust list) / +7(Positive feedbacks from users in your trust list)

When someone gets a feedback from someone in your trust list, it needs to "age" for the rating to increase. One feedback can amount to maximum of 10 ratings, with increase in 1 rating every month(after the feedback was given). However it has been observed(by me, so don't take it as a fact) that after 2-3 weeks of a feedback being  given, the rating increases by one. Now coming to negative feedbacks and rating, negative feedbacks as its obvious decrease your trust rating. But one thing to note here is, negative has more "power" than positive. It goes like this: Take negative feedback as X , positive feedback as Y, and rating as Z . Now you can calculate the rating as Z= Y-(2X). Taking an example of one negative and one positive it goes like - Rating= 1-(21) => 1-2 => -1 . There you have it.

And something that I forgot to add before, say there is an individual who is on the trust list of an user who is on your trust list. It follows that he will be on your trust ist, if you have the default setting of depth as 1 . Now if for some reason, you don't trust that individual's feedbacks/opinions , you can exclude him(and as a result anyone under him, unless you manually add them) by using "~" before his name and then adding him. And if you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix(add before) their name with a backslash.
BTW nearly forgot to add, the negative feedback gets complicated when the time variable changes or as some like to call it "trust age" here. So consider the negative feedback explanation incomplete for now.
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February 15, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
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BTW nearly forgot to add, the negative feedback gets complicated when the time variable changes or as some like to call it "trust age" here. So consider the negative feedback explanation incomplete for now.
Why don't you just link the exact algorithm in that case?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
Afraid it would be "too complicated" for users to understand?


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February 15, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
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BTW nearly forgot to add, the negative feedback gets complicated when the time variable changes or as some like to call it "trust age" here. So consider the negative feedback explanation incomplete for now.
Why don't you just link the exact algorithm in that case?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
Afraid it would be "too complicated" for users to understand?
If it wasn't the topic wouldn't be there to start with  Wink .
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February 15, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
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If it wasn't the topic wouldn't be there to start with  Wink .
Sorry, what? I don't even get you there.



My trust color is red and i like the red color...I like blue and red...
Thanks for moving OT, but since we're already there, you're welcome.


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February 15, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
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If it wasn't the topic wouldn't be there to start with  Wink .
Sorry, what? I don't even get you there.
If it wasn't complicated, we wouldn't be having this discussion and as a result this thread wouldn't be here.
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February 15, 2016, 01:57:05 PM
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If it wasn't complicated, we wouldn't be having this discussion and as a result this thread wouldn't be here.
Well, tbh I don't think it's complicated. For me, the hard part was finding the post (although shorenas "One to link them all" made that certainly easier).
But fair enough, a straight up explanation other than the pure algorithm might help some users who can't seem to get the latter.
Just don't make it "incomplete for now." the next time Cheesy


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