MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS AND TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS

[yugo23]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well it's the same for Islam...

[yugo23]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

You can debate that all day. I think the important point is that the primary driver was not religious ideology, but greed, as opposed to modern Muslim extremism which is very clearly motivated primarily by ideology.

It's never religious ideology the first driver of any war...

[mrflibblehat]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

You can debate that all day. I think the important point is that the primary driver was not religious ideology, but greed, as opposed to modern Muslim extremism which is very clearly motivated primarily by ideology.

Are we sure it's ideology and not something precise and calculated behind it?

[yugo23]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

You can debate that all day. I think the important point is that the primary driver was not religious ideology, but greed, as opposed to modern Muslim extremism which is very clearly motivated primarily by ideology.

Are we sure it's ideology and not something precise and calculated behind it?

Nothing is never ideological. There are always very precise and material reasons behind, even behind the crusades.

[romero121]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

[yugo23]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

Damn that's some blank and void assumptions...

[mrflibblehat]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean. No comprendes.

[craked5]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean. No comprendes.

Same here. Take some grammar courses...

[Spendulus]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

The facts about the conquest of Mexico and South America, largely by Cortez and Pizzaro, are very well documented.  They were sent on their missions by Kings, not Popes.

Regardless, the question was about "THE INQUISITION."  And I answered that question.  160 years of the Inquisition matches only two months of violent Muslim killings.

Now, someone says, "Oh, but Christians have done far, far worse.  Somewhere ELSE, you see.  Somewhere we can look and find some moral equivalency with Islam.  Let me just keep looking here."

Well, sorry, you can't.  Look right around you today and answer your own question.  Look at who is doing the beheadings, the bombings and the senseless killings.

[criptix]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Regardless, the question was about "THE INQUISITION."  And I answered that question.  160 years of the Inquisition matches only two months of violent Muslim killings.

and i showed that you figures are wrong by atleast two orders of magnitude.

did you miss it or are you just a lier like our bryant?

[Spendulus]

....

Let's be large and say 400 years. 400 years we're totally sure that Christianity was fucking more violent than Islam now ^^

+1

LOL.

Islam today is religion of peace comparing to Christianity 500 years ago.  Inquisition was way worse than ISIS.

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Seriously? Please cite your source.

Every source in german and english i checked are going into 5-6 figit numbers from around 1500-1650 lol

Are you by chance lying or did you talked about a single small village?

You ppl get more desperate each day.

It's easy enough to just look it up, isn't it?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060903192705AAZ0Dnd

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histórico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1560 and 1700. This material provides information about 49,092 judgements, the latter studied by Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras. These authors calculate that only 1.9% of those processed were burned at the stake.



The archives of the Suprema only provide information surrounding the processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals, however the majority....

The numbers your cited are wrong then, you cited wrong or you are obviously lying.

Also do you know what "controversial disputed" means?

Also you know that the spanish inquistion was one beside three? There was also the german and portugese inquisition.

Im not a expert so i will let wiki explain:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

You are welcome to refute

You asked for the proof of my statement, bolded, I provided it.  I quoted it.  What more do you want?  I have shown that the Spanish Inquisition was a walk in the park compared to modern day Islamic terrorism....

I am quite curious, what is wrong with just accepting this fact?  It is what it is. 

[Spendulus]

and i showed that you figures are wrong by atleast two orders of magnitude.

did you miss it or are you just a lier like our bryant?

No you did not show my figures wrong by two orders of magnitude.  You provided a link.  I read the link.  I saw nothing there that supported your assertion.

If I missed something supporting your claim, just quote it directly. 

After all, that's what I did when you did not believe me.  I quoted the exact excerpt from the link.

[bryant.coleman]

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

I wouldn't blame Christianity as 100% responsible for these crimes. Greed obviously played a part in this, as gold and silver were looted from the natives, and transported back to Spain / Portugal. But we can't obviously ignore the role played by the Roman Catholic church. At that time, the Pope was the most powerful person in the Europe. The Spanish and Portuguese monarchs were literally serving as vassals of the Pope. The natives were forced in to slavery and systematically exterminated after the Pope granted permission for the same.

[craked5]

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

[mainpmf]

....

Let's be large and say 400 years. 400 years we're totally sure that Christianity was fucking more violent than Islam now ^^

+1

LOL.

Islam today is religion of peace comparing to Christianity 500 years ago.  Inquisition was way worse than ISIS.

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Here. 15 million deaths for Christianity, 2 million for Islam.
https://www.quora.com/Which-religion-is-responsible-for-the-greatest-number-of-deaths-of-infidels-over-its-entire-history

ok seems like nobody cares for my numbers xD

I keep bumping this link hmm, if anyone is interested in true comaparison...

[youdamushi]

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

Yeah, facts are not important, what's important is that they have the impression, impression is important that's all.

[Spendulus]

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

Because your numbers are wrong.

Since 911 there have been over 27,000 terror attacks.  Typically these kill more than 2,000 in any given month.  In just forty years, that adds up to a million people - and that's largely innocent victims, isn't it?  Really nice bunch you are defending there.....

But going to historical sources, let's see what we find.




Here is a source that suggests just since 1948, 11 million muslims have been killed

https://wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims/
....
This grisly inventory finds the total number of deaths in conflicts since 1950 numbering about 85,000,000. Of that sum, the deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 in all. Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

These figures mean that deaths Arab-Israeli fighting since 1950 amount to just 0.06 percent of the total number of deaths in all conflicts in that period. More graphically, only 1 out of about 1,700 persons killed in conflicts since 1950 has died due to Arab-Israeli fighting.

(Adding the 11,000 killed in the Israeli war of independence, 1947-49, made up of 5,000 Arabs and 6,000 Israeli Jews, does not significantly alter these figures.)

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

[criptix]

and i showed that you figures are wrong by atleast two orders of magnitude.

did you miss it or are you just a lier like our bryant?

No you did not show my figures wrong by two orders of magnitude.  You provided a link.  I read the link.  I saw nothing there that supported your assertion.

If I missed something supporting your claim, just quote it directly. 

After all, that's what I did when you did not believe me.  I quoted the exact excerpt from the link.

let us clarify one thing first:
Are we talking about death sentences or dead victims?

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

Because your numbers are wrong.

Since 911 there have been over 27,000 terror attacks.  Typically these kill more than 2,000 in any given month.  In just forty years, that adds up to a million people - and that's largely innocent victims, isn't it?  Really nice bunch you are defending there.....

But going to historical sources, let's see what we find.




Here is a source that suggests just since 1948, 11 million muslims have been killed

https://wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims/
....
This grisly inventory finds the total number of deaths in conflicts since 1950 numbering about 85,000,000. Of that sum, the deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 in all. Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

These figures mean that deaths Arab-Israeli fighting since 1950 amount to just 0.06 percent of the total number of deaths in all conflicts in that period. More graphically, only 1 out of about 1,700 persons killed in conflicts since 1950 has died due to Arab-Israeli fighting.

(Adding the 11,000 killed in the Israeli war of independence, 1947-49, made up of 5,000 Arabs and 6,000 Israeli Jews, does not significantly alter these figures.)

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

So i assume im safe as a non muslim? 

[bryant.coleman]

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

You should also count those non-Muslims who were killed by the Muslims. A few examples here:

1. 2 million Animist South-Sudanese killed by the Sudanese Arabs from 1983 to 2011.
2. 3 million Hindus exterminated by Pakistani Muslims during the 1971 Liberation of Bangladesh.
3. Thousands of Buddhists killed by Muslims in Chittagong Hill Tracts from 1977-2016.
4. A total of 400,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in New Guinea, 1962-2016.
5. A total of 300,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in Timor, 1975-1999.
6. Tens of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) killed by Muslims during 1989-2016.
7. More than 6,000 Greek Christians exterminated by Turkish Muslims, during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

[neinnein125]

Muslims are not terrorists. But extremists are always dangerous. Even if they are iron man believers, you know.