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February 18, 2016, 09:18:22 PM
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Pope attacks Trump saying he is 'not Christian' for wanting to build a wall with Mexico - then Donald hits back calling Catholic leader 'disgraceful'



    Pope spoke on Papal plane after trip to Mexico which took him to US border where he celebrated mass
    Condemned Trump's plan to build a wall between the United States and Mexico saying: 'This is not in the Gospel.'
    Trump, campaigning in South Carolina, hit back furiously, calling the Pope 'disgraceful' and accused him of being a 'pawn' of the Mexican government
    Trump is a Presbyterian who has highlighted his religion repeatedly and is battling Ted Cruz in South Carolina for evangelicals
    Pope had held right on the border at Ciudad Juarez, with celebration simulcast to stadium on American side of Rio Grande


U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is 'not Christian' because of his views on immigration, Pope Francis said on his way back to Rome from Mexico.


The Pope said, however, he did not want to advise American Catholics on whether or not to vote for Trump.
Trump fired back immediately, telling a packed room at a coastal South Carolina country club: 'For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful.'


The Pope's dramatic intervention came in a freewheeling conversation with reporters on his flight back from a visit to Mexico.
Francis was asked about Trump and some of his statements, such as vowing to build a wall between the United States and Mexico if he becomes president.


'A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,' Francis saidin answer to a specific question about Trump's views. 'This is not in the gospel.'



Asked if American Catholics should vote for someone with Trump's views, Francis said: 'I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt,' he said.


Trump issued a furious response, reading a lengthy statement from the podium on a campaign stop.
He reflected on the seismic impact of crossing swords with the leader of the world's largest religious denomination, and shrugged it off.
'Now it's probably going to be all over the world. Who the hell cares? I don't care!' he said. 'We have to stop illegal immigration ... and crime.'


Trump blasted the Vatican for what he said was a naive outlook on the ISIS terror army, saying in a statement released to reporters that 'If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened.'


'ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.'
On his last day in Mexico, Pope Francis said a Mass on the U.S. border, where he railed against immigration policies that force many underground and into the hands of drug gangs and human smugglers.


Trump has also said he would deport millions of illegal migrants if he wins the November U.S. election. Last week he told Fox Business television that Pope Francis did not understand the Mexican border issues.
'The pope is a very political person. I think he doesn't understand the problems our country has. I don't think he understands the danger of the open border that we have with Mexico,' he said.


Asked if he felt he was being used as a pawn of Mexico, Francis said he didn't know.
'I leave that judgment to you, the people.'
But he seemed quite pleased to hear that Trump had called him a 'political' figure, noting that Aristotle had described the human being as a 'political animal.'
'Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as 'animal politicus'. So at least I am a human person.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3453193/Pope-says-Trump-not-Christian-views-plans-immigration.html
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February 18, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
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Who cares?

I certainly wouldn't vote for someone based on their religion/mental illness

I might vote against a person who says stupid shit based on religious beliefs... like Ben Carson...

Dr. Ben Carson: Egypt's pyramids were storage, not tombs
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February 18, 2016, 10:03:47 PM
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I think Trump is too smart to be a Christian.  But you never know what is in person's mind.

My guess is he just plays along to get the Christian votes.

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February 18, 2016, 10:05:11 PM
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I think Trump is too smart to be a Christian.  But you never know what is in person's mind.

My guess is he just plays along to get the Christian votes.

Trump does a LOT of that... he tells people what they want to hear, not what he believes

Though, Obama did the same thing... he claimed to be a Christian when he's clearly not...

Quote from: Barack Hussein Obama
For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.

This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction. In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.
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February 18, 2016, 10:09:15 PM
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'A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,' Francis saidin answer to a specific question about Trump's views. 'This is not in the gospel.'

Very true. The Pope knows what he's talking about. Things are different in Europe because of all Syrian refugees, and terrorism, but with both Mexico and the US in peace, they should make deals rather than building a wall. Besides, there are more Americans crossing than Mexicans. I've seen with my own eyes loads of American teenagers crossing the border South of San Diego to go drinking and partying in Tijuana. Does Trump wants to stop that, too?

The goal should be to make Mexico a richer country, so that the people will not want to leave it have a better life up North.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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February 18, 2016, 11:02:43 PM
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February 18, 2016, 11:29:04 PM
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I love it.  The pope and Donald Trump trolling the fuck out of each other.  I cannot stand DT but he has some good points about immigration--but I still would not vote for him in a million lifetimes.  And the pope.  Yeah whatever.  Not sure why religious leaders are still relevant in 2016.  Have we not evolved beyond that?

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February 18, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
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From Wikipedia:

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The Vatican City (i/ˈvætᵻkən ˈsɪti/; Italian: Città del Vaticano [tʃitˈta del vatiˈkaːno]; Latin: Civitas Vaticana),[d] officially the Vatican City State (Italian: Stato della Città del Vaticano;[e] Latin: Status Civitatis Vaticanae),[f] is a walled enclave and sovereign state within the city of Rome. With an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of 842,[3] it is the smallest internationally recognized independent state in the world by both area and population.
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I bet one won't find a lot of 'Syrian immigrants' (aka, displaced ISIS mercenaries) in that city.  What a slimy fucking hypocrite Bergoglio is!


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February 18, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
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So... the pope recently said that Catholics are allowed to use condoms to help prevent the spread of the Zika virus...

Why would Catholics need condoms?  Is he implying that God won't protect them from Zika?
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February 18, 2016, 11:45:16 PM
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So... the pope recently said that Catholics are allowed to use condoms to help prevent the spread of the Zika virus...

Why would Catholics need condoms?  Is he implying that God won't protect them from Zika?


Exactly. If he's wrong with the zika virus he is wrong with the MAGNIFICENT TRUMP WALL.

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February 19, 2016, 12:39:57 AM
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Mom Whose Son Was Tortured to Death by Illegal Endorses Trump, Says ‘Pope Doesn’t Care About Me’





In an exclusive telephone interview with Breitbart News, Laura Wilkerson, whose son was tortured to death by an illegal alien, explained why she cast her early ballot today for GOP frontrunner, Donald Trump.

“Trump will get in there and do something about [immigration]. I believe him. I want someone in there who has said they’ll do it and will do it… So many people stay home because it doesn’t affect them,” Wilkerson said. “And I understand that. I was the same way until [my son] Josh was murdered. But at some point, we have to close the door and deal with who we have here before anyone else comes.”

By contrast to her support for Trump, Wilkerson said that she “gave no consideration to voting Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)… I do not trust him for one second… He does not speak to the victims [of illegal alien crime],” Wilkerson explained. “Obviously, Rubio wants more immigration, no borders. That’s what his backers want and that’s the way he’s going to vote.”

Wilkerson, who described herself as a deeply religious person, defended Trump from the attacks by Pope Francis.

“I don’t think I’ve ever heard the Pope say one thing about our families [families who have lost loved ones at the hands of illegal immigrants]. I’m not sure he understands the loss we have felt. Is he just ignoring that? It rubbed me the wrong way,” Wilkerson told Breitbart.

Wilkerson’s 18-year-old son Joshua was tortured to death by a so-called DREAMER — i.e. an illegal immigrant who allegedly came to the country as a minor.



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/18/exclusive-mom-whose-son-tortured-death-illegal-endorses-trump-says-pope-doesnt-care/


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February 19, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
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I have never seen a bigger hypocrite than the current pope. Here are the examples:

1. Lives behind a walled estate in Vatican and argues against border walls everywhere else.

2. Apologizes for the Catholic genocide of the native Americans, and the next day proclaims the main perpetrator (Junipero Serra) as a Saint.

3. Sheds crocodile tears in front of media, while talking about the poverty in Africa and Latin America. At the same time, he refuses to spend a penny out of the massive $3 trillion worth of property owned by the Roman Catholic church, for the benefit of these same people. Things does not stop here. He shamelessly accepts funds from various churches in Africa and Latin America, and adds them to the Vatican treasury.

4. Says that he is against Catholic priests sexually abusing children. At the same time, he promotes priests who are accused of pedophilia.

5. Says that the nature must not be destroyed. At the same time, causes deforestation and poaching by encouraging population explosion.  
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February 19, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
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I'm not Catholic, but I confused at how Catholics criticize the Pope when they believe the Pope to be infallible.  If the Pope can't be wrong, the how can Catholics disagree with him?
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February 19, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
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I think Trump is too smart to be a Christian.  But you never know what is in person's mind.

My guess is he just plays along to get the Christian votes.

yes , i totatly agree with you.. he pretend to be christian for the sake of gaingg much more votes..

 
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good quotes.. pope and other religious guys should eat their own shit.. and leave us alone..

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February 19, 2016, 08:38:39 PM
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So... the pope recently said that Catholics are allowed to use condoms to help prevent the spread of the Zika virus...

Why would Catholics need condoms?  Is he implying that God won't protect them from Zika?

yes he is definetely implying this.. god save the catholics from all bad things in this world except zika virus.. because zika virus isnt created by god.. it is created by atheists Tongue
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So... the pope recently said that Catholics are allowed to use condoms to help prevent the spread of the Zika virus...

Why would Catholics need condoms?  Is he implying that God won't protect them from Zika?

yes he is definetely implying this.. god save the catholics from all bad things in this world except zika virus.. because zika virus isnt created by god.. it is created weaponized and/or marketed by atheists Tongue

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good quotes.. pope and other religious guys should eat their own shit.. and leave us alone..

Fantastic!

I forgot about how tall the Vatican City walls were... what is that?  Around 50 feet tall?

I suppose the pope also forgot that part in the bible where it says... and I quote:

Quote from: Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye
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