Pope attacks Trump saying he is 'not Christian'

[countryfree]

Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

[tvbcof]

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Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Sounds like an awesome place.  I'll bet it's loaded with so called 'Syrian refugees' right?

[Moloch]

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Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Sounds like an awesome place.  I'll bet it's loaded with so called 'Syrian refugees' right?

Oh yes... I'll wager that the Pope invited all the Muslims over to his palace for dinner...

Did someone say open bar?

[mrflibblehat]

And they say priests are not interested on politics. Riiight.

[Lethn]

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Unless you're a heretic like Bill Maher, I'd consider it an honour to end up on a shit list and banned from a place like that.

[mrflibblehat]

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Unless you're a heretic like Bill Maher, I'd consider it an honour to end up on a shit list and banned from a place like that.

The fact that there are places where you can eat doesn't mean it isn't a fortress.
Yeah, you can get into the church for free, but not other places - they have to pay somehow for the lights.
Interesting as how this place that isn't a fortress has a private army and armed guards at the entrances.

[Lethn]

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Unless you're a heretic like Bill Maher, I'd consider it an honour to end up on a shit list and banned from a place like that.

The fact that there are places where you can eat doesn't mean it isn't a fortress.
Yeah, you can get into the church for free, but not other places - they have to pay somehow for the lights.
Interesting as how this place that isn't a fortress has a private army and armed guards at the entrances.

I love it when people say stuff like that, it's so obvious depending on your perspective, people just don't stop and think for about five seconds before responding about it. For instance, people often argue with me about schools when I say they're like prisons at my age, but think about it, when you're a kid, if you're in school why do they have fences or walls to keep everybody in? Why do they have in some cases guards? Why do scary people come after you if you try to run away?

[bryant.coleman]

The pope and his Roman Catholic church is yet to donate a single penny to the recent wave of immigrants from Syria. Vatican has not given refugee status to anyone from the Middle East. He is not ready to share the expenses of housing the immigrants in Europe. He expects the European tax payers to sponsor it instead. Can this guy become any more shameless?

[Moloch]

The pope and his Roman Catholic church is yet to donate a single penny to the recent wave of immigrants from Syria. Vatican has not given refugee status to anyone from the Middle East. He is not ready to share the expenses of housing the immigrants in Europe. He expects the European tax payers to sponsor it instead. Can this guy become any more shameless?

Don't be silly... Religions only take your money to live the high life... They don't spend it helping those in need... That's why God invented Atheists

[Wilikon]

Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Before the museum and the plastic gadgets made in china....

Today I Learn

Here's The Reason Walls Were Built Around The Vatican

Controversy continues to swirl around the apparent conflict between Pope Francis and Donald Trump, after the Pontiff implied that the billionaire's focus on building a wall on the Mexican border puts him at odds with the tenets of Christianity.

In Trump's defense, some have pointed to the fact that the Vatican City, the seat of papal authority, is itself surrounded by walls. However, this defense is being criticized by some on the left, who claim that the walls surrounding the Vatican are not analogous to those proposed to secure American borders.

In an article entitled "In Defense of Trump, Some Point (Wrongly) to Vatican Walls", write Liam Stack writes that Pope Leo IV built the walls around the Vatican "in an attempt to protect it from attacks by pirates and other marauders."

Indeed, the early walls that surrounded the Vatican became known as the Leonine wall in honor of the Pope responsible for their construction. Some of the Leonine wall still stands and makes up a portion of the structure that surrounds the Vatican to this day. But those walls were built with a far more specific enemy in mind than Stack lets on.

Leo built the walls in order to protect the city against the encroachment of "Saracens", an early term for the Arab Muslims who were hell bent on the conquest of Christian Europe. In 846, a year before the start of Pope Leo IV’s reign, the Saracens attacked the outskirts of Rome. The Muslim raiders targeted the Basilicas of St. Peter and St. Paul, which were located outside of the massive walls that defended Rome itself. The Saracens looted the two churches, robbing them of their relics and desecrating the tombs of two of Christendom’s most revered saints.

The 1910 Catholic Encyclopedia says that shortly after the raid, "[Pope Leo IV] began to take precautions against a repetition of the Saracen raid of 846. He put the walls of the city into a thorough state of repair, entirely rebuilding fifteen of the great towers. He was the first to enclose the hill by a wall." The walls that Pope Leo built, which were completed in 852, were nearly 40 feet high, twelve feet thick, and defended by dozens of towers that turned the site into a fortified city.

In response to Francis' criticism, Donald Trump, fittingly, noted that the Vatican remains a prime target for ISIS. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the rampaging zealots of the Islamic State are the modern day successor of the conquest-minded Saracens of the 9th century.

Donald seems to have softened his tone with the Pope. At Thursday's CNN's townhall, Trump called Pope Francis "a wonderful guy".



http://www.hannity.com/articles/war-on-terror-487284/heres-the-reason-walls-were-built-14400553/

[zenitzz]

Does the Pope know he lives in a fully walled off Church with a very low population and the tightest citizenship policy in the world?

[BADecker]

The question isn't really about Trump being a Christian. The question is about whether or not the Pope and Papacy are Christian.

The place in the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church uses as its excuse for the Papacy is Matthew 16:16-19:

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Looks like they might be right. But other people say that Jesus was referring to Peter only when Peter expressed Jesus salvation. Are they right when they say this? Might it be that Peter is not the first Pope after all? Look what happens directly after the above Bible quote. From Matthew 16:21-23:

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

Now we see. The Papacy is based on Satan. The Pope is the anti-Christ that is predicted in several places in the New Testament, especially in the Revelation.

There is more N.T. explanation the shows that this is so. Even the O.T. has some clarification in a few places showing this to be true. MakingMoneyHoney pointed out one time, the place that says that when the Pope comes in His own name, and claims to be from God, that this is the sign of the anti-Christ.

Anyone who sets himself in the place of God is the anti-Christ. The Pope fits this description. But people always want a king other than God. In this case, their king, the Pope, is dragging them away from salvation.

Trump's few mistakes here and there are nothing when compared with the lies of the Pope and Papacy.

[eon89]

You're behind Trump and not the Pope? That's an unexpected turn of events...

[TECSHARE]

Hiding pedophile priests after they are caught raping children is not in the gospel either, but the pope managed to work his interpretation of it into his ideology.

[catch.me.if.you.can]

Pope must read this book:

Pope Joan by Emmanuel Rhoides
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27253.Pope_Joan 

[countryfree]

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Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Sounds like an awesome place.  I'll bet it's loaded with so called 'Syrian refugees' right?

No, there aren't any Syrian refugees there, for the most obvious reason that it isn't a good place to house people. Most of the Vatican is a museum. It's like saying that the Louvre in Paris, or the British National Museum should house refugees. Let's put it clearly that this isn't a proper place for that.

The fact that there are places where you can eat doesn't mean it isn't a fortress.
Yeah, you can get into the church for free, but not other places - they have to pay somehow for the lights.
Interesting as how this place that isn't a fortress has a private army and armed guards at the entrances.

Have you been to a government building in Europe recently?
Armed police forces are everywhere. I bet there are more soldiers around the city hall in Paris than in the whole Vatican.
I've seen loads of police forces and soldiers with machine guns in hand in Paris, Ventimiglia, Barcelona. That's a sad sign of our times.

[pr0d1gy]

I may be old fashioned, but I prefer my religion, FAR away from my politics... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mrflibblehat]

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Has anyone here ever been to the Vatican?

I've been there, and it's not a walled estate at all. It's more like a large meeting place, with restaurants, shops, a post office and museums. Nothing's closed. Most of the place is open to all. I mean you need to buy a ticket to get into the museum, there are staff only areas, and the free parking is for employees only, but you can get into the church for free, and no one asks you your ID. So it isn't like a border wall the way Trump's planning one.

Sounds like an awesome place.  I'll bet it's loaded with so called 'Syrian refugees' right?

No, there aren't any Syrian refugees there, for the most obvious reason that it isn't a good place to house people. Most of the Vatican is a museum. It's like saying that the Louvre in Paris, or the British National Museum should house refugees. Let's put it clearly that this isn't a proper place for that.

The fact that there are places where you can eat doesn't mean it isn't a fortress.
Yeah, you can get into the church for free, but not other places - they have to pay somehow for the lights.
Interesting as how this place that isn't a fortress has a private army and armed guards at the entrances.

Have you been to a government building in Europe recently?
Armed police forces are everywhere. I bet there are more soldiers around the city hall in Paris than in the whole Vatican.
I've seen loads of police forces and soldiers with machine guns in hand in Paris, Ventimiglia, Barcelona. That's a sad sign of our times.

Exactly my point.Thank you.

[bryant.coleman]

No, there aren't any Syrian refugees there, for the most obvious reason that it isn't a good place to house people. Most of the Vatican is a museum. It's like saying that the Louvre in Paris, or the British National Museum should house refugees. Let's put it clearly that this isn't a proper place for that.

Have you ever been to Vatican? Not all of Vatican is a museum. There are offices, restaurants and hotels. There is a lot of space available for residence. Most of the guesthouses and villas in Vatican remain vacant 90% of the time. These buildings can be used to house the refugees. I am not asking the Vatican to take in thousands of refugees. Even if they could take a few dozen, it will be fine with me.

[McDonalds5]

Pope ain't nothing but a scammer. Period.