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February 19, 2016, 08:55:31 PM |
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I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".
Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.
I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!
It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.
The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.
How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.
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February 19, 2016, 09:58:47 PM |
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You think that if you nationalize things all those money will go to the people? It will still be taken. Just that those money will be stolen by different people. It's about business, and making money, nothing more.
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February 19, 2016, 10:54:33 PM |
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Socialism means stagnation and a standstill of innovation.
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yugo23
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February 19, 2016, 11:06:40 PM |
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Socialism means stagnation and a standstill of innovation.
Why? France is socialist since 1789 and is leading in many technological development! |
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arbitrage
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February 20, 2016, 10:26:50 AM |
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Socialism means stagnation and a standstill of innovation.
This is filthy lies from capitalist countries! Do you remember national socialism? This was wrong, but you must admit it everything but stagnation! Russia could be economically strongest country in the world, but never had a chance, constant military growth and war preparation during peace, made this today. Free market is filthy lie that came from those multinational corporations. Socialism is all about care for those who can't do its, on their own, free education, free health service..social programs for workers without jobs! |
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February 20, 2016, 03:08:42 PM |
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I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".
Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.
I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!
It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.
The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.
How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.
love this "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".
and socialist is one of many problem people for some countries,they like people who confuse to spent their money,and if they become good people,they will be very very good. |
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Yakamoto
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February 20, 2016, 04:13:12 PM |
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Socialism is not the key, here is why:
1. There is no incentive for there to be any entrepreneurship or incentive to want to get better and higher-paying jobs if you are only going to receive a marginally better salary and get the majority of the rest of it taxed.
2. Technological and economic progress is stagnated, France is currently 6-8th largest GDP in the world (Over the past century), clocking in at roughly $2 Trillion in 2015, yet the IMF projects it falling off further to the #10 spot by 2020. The french have also made only a few technological innovations that are useful for the world, many "innovations" during the last 60 years have been beauty/fashion related or merely an improvement on an existing idea.
3. Back to point #1, socialism rewards mediocrity. Everyone gets a pat-on-the-back and gets money (In some form) for not being exceptional or striving ahead of everyone else. It is like kindergarten, socialism is giving everyone a participation award, and those who place first get the same trophy.
4. Capitalism doesn't tell you what to do. The richest people in the world don't force you to buy anything, do anything, or make anything. Everyone is free to their own interests, and can achieve whatever they want to with work and actually trying to strive ahead.
5. Free market, or, at least, a more open market. Resources are far more efficiently used in a free market, as the people can adapt to the changing needs and wants of the population. Centrally planned economies (A product of extreme socialism) are very inefficient, as the Soviet Union shows.
6. The goal of socialism is to create a utopia, but every personal has a different perception and thus it can never really be achieved. The person who must determine what this utopia is would be the state, with a theoretical consensus. This infringes on other people's capacity to fulfil their own interests, and if the state decides that video games are an illegal source of entertainment because they hurt productivity, that wrecks someone else's view of utopia.
Now for all the hate I'm giving socialism, it does have a place in the right situation.
For example, if/when AI takes over most jobs, basic incomes distributed by the state will be a necessity because we cannot have >4 billion people all working white-collar jobs, or, at the very least, there is very little infrastructure to support that for right now.
As the current world economy goes, however, socialism is not the best system. More things have to change for it to be the best system.
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Yakamoto
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February 20, 2016, 10:00:51 PM |
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I guess it is fair to argue that wild capitalism that affects people via control of various institutions is a bad thing, and yes it is a product of capitalism growing unchecked until major corporations have the money to have major influence in the government and other places. I have to chuckle with the quote "Competition in the wild is a contest for survival in which the largest and strongest typically win. Civilization, by contrast, is defined by rules; rules create markets, and governments generate the rules." The largest and strongest got to the place they are by making products which people wanted to buy, and as the government made rules around the good, the companies adapted to fit. This is also why it is so hard for "normal" people to start their own business these days. There is so much red tape that only the major corporations actually have the means to fill it all out. I agree, big pharma is an issue, and I do support national healthcare. The American model isn't really something I can get behind. If the industry is keeping someone alive who is in peril, it should be nationalized. There is no benefit having a dead person because he can't pay for the bill. GMOs are technically beneficial, however they are not currently distributed enough to make much of an impact. At the same time, though, they are relatively new. More time has to pass before we can have more accurate information. Chemtrails are an extremely fringe subject, there is very little evidence to support this, and two simple ways to argue this point are both Occam's razor and the fact that things such as chemtrails affect rich and powerful people, not just ordinary folks (Unless all rich and powerful people are also shape-shifting lizards which have resistances to such chemicals). I would be willing to have someone to fly behind planes and gather air samples to test this theory, but so far I have found no conspiracy theorists willing to fund such a venture. I'm getting kind of tired of typing so I'll summarize it like this; unchecked capitalism growing extremely quickly or extremely large is bad, and having excessive restrictions on what can be done is bad for a truly capitalist society. People would be able to vote with their dollars. |
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February 21, 2016, 01:45:08 PM |
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Capitalism could be a great system if you inject more socialism in it.  I mean more control for those corporation and more help for ordinary people. Especially after crisis when many people stayed without homes. This situation is not possible in communism. Everyone must work, must have to eat and where to sleep. Socialism is somewhere between..That is why is good. |
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February 21, 2016, 01:59:57 PM |
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well I have to agree with your opinion about socialism, especially the part of greed and corruption which will end socialism. Living in a socialist country, I have to say corruption is at its worst. Everything needs some money to get it done fast and billions are stolen by corrupted officials
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arbitrage
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February 21, 2016, 02:12:25 PM |
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But this can be fixed with more control, but this is centralized control.
(Fixing of socialism)
Capitalism can't be fixed because everyone have some price.
Corruption and monopoly is very dangerous, small people are not important at all only interests.
You must choose which of two is less bad.
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Laosai
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February 21, 2016, 02:19:15 PM |
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But this can be fixed with more control, but this is centralized control.
(Fixing of socialism)
Capitalism can't be fixed because everyone have some price.
Corruption and monopoly is very dangerous, small people are not important at all only interests.
You must choose which of two is less bad.
Perfectly agreed! Socialism isn't perfect but it's better than capitalism! |
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zodiac3011
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February 21, 2016, 02:27:12 PM |
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But this can be fixed with more control, but this is centralized control.
(Fixing of socialism)
Capitalism can't be fixed because everyone have some price.
Corruption and monopoly is very dangerous, small people are not important at all only interests.
You must choose which of two is less bad.
Perfectly agreed! Socialism isn't perfect but it's better than capitalism! if you live in a socialist country you will find it's kinda lame although it's better than capitalism. Most socialist country got a not developed economy so the living condition is not at its best |
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Laosai
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February 21, 2016, 02:33:34 PM |
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But this can be fixed with more control, but this is centralized control.
(Fixing of socialism)
Capitalism can't be fixed because everyone have some price.
Corruption and monopoly is very dangerous, small people are not important at all only interests.
You must choose which of two is less bad.
Perfectly agreed! Socialism isn't perfect but it's better than capitalism! if you live in a socialist country you will find it's kinda lame although it's better than capitalism. Most socialist country got a not developed economy so the living condition is not at its best Well France is rather cool to live in. And socialism is still far better than capitalism. Not perfect of course but good. |
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February 21, 2016, 02:43:02 PM |
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maybe socialism is a little beter than capitalism but the both have advantage and disadvantage but you need to choose what type will be good for you
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February 21, 2016, 02:59:17 PM |
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maybe socialism is a little beter than capitalism but the both have advantage and disadvantage but you need to choose what type will be good for you
Haha. Yea thats about right. You have to know what it is really that you want first before anything else, what you really feel would be the best for you in this case. |
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February 21, 2016, 04:15:17 PM |
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Problem is when you don't have a chance to choose.
Many Arab countries choose to live on their own way of life and US had a self proclaimed task to bringing them a democracy.Why?
This is not called democracy expansion this is aggression, and every time we have disastrous aftermath.Why capitalism have tendency to outbreak, and every other system acknowledge only as opponents?
Now many European countries have problems caused by US-NAto bombs.
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February 21, 2016, 04:23:02 PM |
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Actually real key is: socialist touches (generally for social problems, income distribution etc.) under capitalist rule.
Just like scandinavia did.
Other than that, getting absolute power from riches and giving bureaucrats doesn't change a thing.
Because it corrupts absolutely.
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February 21, 2016, 05:21:27 PM |
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well I have to agree with your opinion about socialism, especially the part of greed and corruption which will end socialism. Living in a socialist country, I have to say corruption is at its worst. Everything needs some money to get it done fast and billions are stolen by corrupted officials
It is not the problem of socialism alone. Corruption is bane of any political system. Saying that in socialism corruption it is worse is usually untrue. But seeing how socialists regimes of some countries are riddled with corruption is somewhat interesting. I have been reading about Venezuela recently. Amount of problems caused by socialist government for this country created the biggest crisis in the history of this nation, coincidence? |
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