Why Socialism is the key

[ctlaltdefeat]

I find a lots of people here saying things like "Socialism is the worst thing ever, it doesn't work and it's why the government have so much debt".

Well clearly it is not and socialism is the only way to go.
I'm French, I'm from a socialist country and solidarity is extremely important here.
Here is a common example given by people saying socialism is the worst thing ever: Healthcare costs around 2 billions of debt every year to the country.
So people are saying that we shouldn't give so much. That we shouldn't help each other so much.

I say bullshit nothing more.
The private sector of health is 36 billions every year. Just nationalize this shit and you'll get enough money to repay the health debt, triple the employment, repay part of national debt and lower the taxes!

It's the same for all sectors! What is profitable has been privatised by corrupted politician and only what costs money is left for the state! Another example? Yeah the Highways were sold to private companies! Just after they were repayed by tolls.

The only thing killing socialism is greed. Greed and corruption.

How do you fight it? By creating a democracy. but a true one not one of our shitty Western false democracies! One using the blockchain to make people vote for every law and every constitution modification! That's what should be done! Then you would see that we have far enough money, we're just letting private investors keeping it.

socialism is the key of good life and interaction each human being,we can't denied that,i think even greed or corruption cannot killing it,socialsm will grow as many people more care each other,even so many bad people,there will always hero for who have good will to make world better plcae for us.

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[locho16]

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[7] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[8] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, cooperative, or collective ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[9] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[10] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms

[btcbug]

...It is not possible to live in anarchy because you would need a government to ensure that government doesn't form-- which negates itself. It is hereby proven that we can't live with too much government and we can't live without it, therefore we must put into place a limited government that benefits the most people by being the most transparent in its prime reason for existing: To guarantee individual's right to life, liberty, and property.

The constitution has no power to limit government. Politicians will simply wipe their asses with it. All it takes is a bit of fear and manipulation and foolish voters will beg them to amend it into the worthless garbage it is today.

I'm glad you're for limited government, thank you.

I agree that at present, lacking rulers, people would seek to put in power the next lunatic that would offer to be their master. Just as they currently do.

When people are ready to accept full responsibility for their lives then we will live in Anarchy. That is not say without laws, or rules, but that those things would be market services. There will be a tipping point at which time enough people will reject the notion of being ruled just in the same way that the world is quickly becoming less religious. Lacking belief in a deity and accepting that gods have no power in our lives is called Atheism. Anarchy is simply Atheism towards the state and full acceptance of the fact that we each control our own lives.

When enough people reject this superstition of authority then there is no power to grab. Don't confuse what I'm saying. People will always try to seek power and evil will always exist, we just won't let it have any mass influence where it can grow to something as grotesque as the USA is today.

The man who has no fear of pain and death cannot be controlled and is truly free. He rejects that any other man can control his life or liberty and is willing to die. Ask yourself how would the sociopaths rule us if most people truly understood that they are free?

Please watch the video I posted above for the an excellent explanation of this.

[Fatman3001]

Taxes aren't unique to socialism. Never has been.

Yes they are, its the parasite class that demands forced redistribution of wealth.

In a productive economy, everyone would keep what they earn, and everyone would spend on what they want (voluntarly).


The only ones that support taxation are the parasites that are unproductive and want to steal money from the productive people, because they are the only beneficiaries of it.

No, they aren't. This is the age of the internet. It's pretty easy to check these things for yourself. Taxation has been a way of financing the state long before it ever took it upon itself to offer any welfare services. To finance policing, the government, the courts and the military.

[Fatman3001]

Taxes aren't unique to socialism. Never has been.

And you guys can tell me this incorrect, because the USA isn't "technically" Socialist, it's considered Capitalist. Well sorry, but that is just bickering about the details and the "proper" implementation, of which there is no such thing.

While you guys are fighting about the correct way to redistribute those tax dollars to best suit your ideal version of Socialism, the rest of us are saying, "Hey guys, we don't care how you divide them because the principle of forced wealth redistribution will never work". That's what the circus of politics is all about. Politicians fooling their sheep into believing their scheme is the correct one. If you believe there is a proper scheme you will always be a sheep and in the end you will be sheared, possibly slaughtered.

Please stop rewriting the thesaurus. If you disagree with something it doesn't automatically mean it's socialism. And again, the state is about more than redistribution. That needs to be paid for.

I put this video here for you again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

Drivel. Just about every "fact" he presents is wrong. Learn to use your own head, sheep!

[craked5]

I can't find my words. Do you have anything to support your claims?

Because from my point of view, it seems you don't have the good genes...

Haha keep on insulting, it wont make your point more valid.

How about study the relationship between genes and IQ and see for yourself:
http://pumpkinperson.com/2014/11/09/hypocrites-who-deny-linear-iq-income-correlation/

Your link isn't even talking about IQ and genes you know? Did you actually read the article? xD

[craked5]

Taxes aren't unique to socialism. Never has been.

Yes they are, its the parasite class that demands forced redistribution of wealth.

In a productive economy, everyone would keep what they earn, and everyone would spend on what they want (voluntarly).


The only ones that support taxation are the parasites that are unproductive and want to steal money from the productive people, because they are the only beneficiaries of it.

No, they aren't. This is the age of the internet. It's pretty easy to check these things for yourself. Taxation has been a way of financing the state long before it ever took it upon itself to offer any welfare services. To finance policing, the government, the courts and the military.

What? You mean socialism didn't invent taxes and that even Pharaoos had taxes? 

[Fatman3001]

Taxes aren't unique to socialism. Never has been.

Yes they are, its the parasite class that demands forced redistribution of wealth.

In a productive economy, everyone would keep what they earn, and everyone would spend on what they want (voluntarly).


The only ones that support taxation are the parasites that are unproductive and want to steal money from the productive people, because they are the only beneficiaries of it.

No, they aren't. This is the age of the internet. It's pretty easy to check these things for yourself. Taxation has been a way of financing the state long before it ever took it upon itself to offer any welfare services. To finance policing, the government, the courts and the military.

What? You mean socialism didn't invent taxes and that even Pharaoos had taxes? 

Thx for bringing that up. I can't wait to hear the stories of the socialist Pharaohs.

[craked5]

Taxes aren't unique to socialism. Never has been.

Yes they are, its the parasite class that demands forced redistribution of wealth.

In a productive economy, everyone would keep what they earn, and everyone would spend on what they want (voluntarly).


The only ones that support taxation are the parasites that are unproductive and want to steal money from the productive people, because they are the only beneficiaries of it.

No, they aren't. This is the age of the internet. It's pretty easy to check these things for yourself. Taxation has been a way of financing the state long before it ever took it upon itself to offer any welfare services. To finance policing, the government, the courts and the military.

What? You mean socialism didn't invent taxes and that even Pharaoos had taxes? 

Thx for bringing that up. I can't wait to hear the stories of the socialist Pharaohs.

Horrible dudes.
They actually took the ressources of the people and split it through the temples in order to have their whole population fed and educated.

Those barbarians that created nothing invented nothing and were not even a civilization.

[Hizzmoot]

About Socialism.
The socialism that Russia eneted is far way from theory of socialism.
The only socialism I approve is Scandinavian Socialism. I am actualy living in one of Scaninavian countries and I can see how great society is here.
The only think that can upset the balance are refugees that use that good economy by getting as much benefits as its possible

[valta4065]

Ok so you care about people around you, fine. And you think there is no other way of doing that without violence and a system based on theft?

No there is none. Or at least nobody created another one. The violence of the system is here to compensate the greed and the individualism of humans.

Because if you really care about people around you, you would not want them subjected to this violent system.

Sur because a system in which poor people can't afford an education is much better. A system where if you got a cancer and you don't have enough money you gonna die slowly and painfully is incredibly better.

Taxes at their most fundamental level are meant to afford the necessary papers, rents, and essentials for government to function properly. Taxes cannot be based on donations because laws will be biased towards the donors. Each individual must have an equal investment, equal stake in the government to have an equal voice. It is not possible to live in anarchy because you would need a government to ensure that government doesn't form-- which negates itself. It is hereby proven that we can't live with too much government and we can't live without it, therefore we must put into place a limited government that benefits the most people by being the most transparent in its prime reason for existing: To guarantee individual's right to life, liberty, and property.

Then reform the tax system and eliminate the tax on income, that is the worst of them all, because it steals away productivity directly.

Wrong. Tax on income doesn't steal productivity wtf are you saying? Tax on income takes away money nothing else. Productivity has nothing to do with that do you even understand what you're talking about?

I personally would have no issue with property tax , but most taxes are just illogical and hurt your quality of life.

Property tax? Why is this one better than the other?
What you have to tax is the wealth, the ownership of capitals! That's what is dangerous in capitalism: the concentration of capital.

[valta4065]

Thanks for pointing this out. You know that before privatisation electricity cost 1.5 times less where I live? You know what happened after privatisation? They fired half people working here, cut all the costs then increased the price.

The "private companies work better" is just a big fat lie. It's not true. The only things that changed after privatisation of energy in my country was a rise of prices, more unemployment and more debt for the states that's all.

Cherrypick 1 situation that we dont know anything about, I dont know the circumstances of your situation with the electricity, but it may be just because the companies are forced to deliver the electricity cheaper.

Which is kind of anti-free market, price controls and shit like that. And eventually it will end in disaster as those companies could go bankrupt if their prices are not allowed to freefloat

Because you provided any example to prove your point?

I don't know a single company that was privatized and that is working better, creating more jobs for the people.

[yugo23]

I can't find my words. Do you have anything to support your claims?

Because from my point of view, it seems you don't have the good genes...

Haha keep on insulting, it wont make your point more valid.

How about study the relationship between genes and IQ and see for yourself:
http://pumpkinperson.com/2014/11/09/hypocrites-who-deny-linear-iq-income-correlation/

Did you read your article?
Your article is about correlation between IQ and income. I never said anything against that and it's not what you're talking about.

You're saying one's characteristics are much more determined by their genetic capacities than by their actions through life.

[yugo23]

Thanks for pointing this out. You know that before privatisation electricity cost 1.5 times less where I live? You know what happened after privatisation? They fired half people working here, cut all the costs then increased the price.

The "private companies work better" is just a big fat lie. It's not true. The only things that changed after privatisation of energy in my country was a rise of prices, more unemployment and more debt for the states that's all.

Cherrypick 1 situation that we dont know anything about, I dont know the circumstances of your situation with the electricity, but it may be just because the companies are forced to deliver the electricity cheaper.

Which is kind of anti-free market, price controls and shit like that. And eventually it will end in disaster as those companies could go bankrupt if their prices are not allowed to freefloat

Please explain me how a company with no need of huge profits and no greedy shareholders taking away on average 40% of the income is not able to produce a good or service for cheaper than a private company?

And simple idea: nationalize some companies but don't create a state monopoly. Hence if private companies are so much better they'll just crush the public ones.

But the fact is that I don't know a single company that was privatized and where the privatization was a good thing. The price never dropes, the quality of service doesn't rise but sure as hell the unemployment keep growing.

Give me ONE example of a company that was privatized in a successful way.

[Fatman3001]

About Socialism.
The socialism that Russia eneted is far way from theory of socialism.
The only socialism I approve is Scandinavian Socialism. I am actualy living in one of Scaninavian countries and I can see how great society is here.
The only think that can upset the balance are refugees that use that good economy by getting as much benefits as its possible

The refugee issue is not exclusive to Scandinavia. Nor are they particularly ill equipped to handle it. The frenzy around this issue is due to the lack of preparedness and shoddy handling of the crisis. Shit happens, that doesn't mean it's ok to stop treating people like human beings.

The scandinavian countries have focused on only applying plan economics to the parts of the economy which benefit from it. So health care, child care/kindergartens, education, unemployment pay, and certain types of highly targeted welfare are controlled by the state, either through highly regulated private companies or state owned entities. Unlike France or the USA, the scandinavian countries don't bail out large private companies or nationalize electricity suppliers and similar. Government interference in these areas is rare. This means that, in spite of having a comprehensive social safety net, they rank high in ease of setting up a business and have some of the freest markets in the world.

While GM and Chrysler were deemed "too big to fail" in the United States, both of the swedish brands Volvo and SAAB were in similar dire straits. However, in Sweden the PM simply said: "It's not the business of the state to build cars".

Another thing which helps these countries "stay relevant", and drives natives nuts, is the "scandinavian reformism". These countries are reforming every bit of its government run programs continuously. When people finally are used to the reforms they're changed. This can be tiresome, but it prevents organizational stagnation.

[BTCBinary]

Socialism is key to freedom.
It is currently the only political organization model system that offers true freedom and true citizenship.
It is the most modern and developed political system we have ATM. So let's keep it

[WhatTheGox]

Socialism is key to freedom.
It is currently the only political organization model system that offers true freedom and true citizenship.
It is the most modern and developed political system we have ATM. So let's keep it

I think we need to create platforms and system which offer us the most non forced socialism possible.  Like internet, bitcoin and blockchain tech etc.  Platforms in which people willingly offer their resources for the benefit of society.

[MedaR]

About Socialism.
The socialism that Russia eneted is far way from theory of socialism.
The only socialism I approve is Scandinavian Socialism. I am actualy living in one of Scaninavian countries and I can see how great society is here.
The only think that can upset the balance are refugees that use that good economy by getting as much benefits as its possible

I don't know why people  are so scared from socialism?
Socialism have different forms and can be apply very successfully in every country who cares for its people.
I'm not for communism such was in Russia, but you must understand that many people and today in Russia believe this was best time for living.
Mild variants of socialism as in Scandinavia are a true example in what direction I need to watch.

[RealBitcoin]

No there is none. Or at least nobody created another one. The violence of the system is here to compensate the greed and the individualism of humans.

Wow that is ignorance. So because there is none created that means that we should never try creating one, that is what you are basically saying.

Imagine if Edison or Tesla would have said that when they invented stuff. If a lightbulb doesnt exist, it means we should not try inventing one, lets all use candlesticks forever.

Sur because a system in which poor people can't afford an education is much better. A system where if you got a cancer and you don't have enough money you gonna die slowly and painfully is incredibly better.

But dying slowly and painfully in a gulag is much better?

Because you provided any example to prove your point?

Yes I did, read my previous posts.

Did you read your article?
Your article is about correlation between IQ and income. I never said anything against that and it's not what you're talking about.

You're saying one's characteristics are much more determined by their genetic capacities than by their actions through life.

IQ is predominantly hereditary, therefore genes are responsible for success and wealth in one's life.

Please explain me how a company with no need of huge profits and no greedy shareholders taking away on average 40% of the income is not able to produce a good or service for cheaper than a private company?

And simple idea: nationalize some companies but don't create a state monopoly. Hence if private companies are so much better they'll just crush the public ones.

But the fact is that I don't know a single company that was privatized and where the privatization was a good thing. The price never dropes, the quality of service doesn't rise but sure as hell the unemployment keep growing.

Give me ONE example of a company that was privatized in a successful way.

I`m talking about INCOME TAX, which is not the same as CORPORATE TAX.

Corporations already barely pay 1-2%, while you and me and other poor folks are taxed 40-70% depending on country.

The food is taxed out from the mouth of your children.

Socialism is key to freedom.
It is currently the only political organization model system that offers true freedom and true citizenship.
It is the most modern and developed political system we have ATM. So let's keep it

Because there is nothing better than paradise gulag....

[btcbug]

Please explain me how a company with no need of huge profits and no greedy shareholders taking away on average 40% of the income is not able to produce a good or service for cheaper than a private company?

Lol. I love how you're so cocksure about this. Seems somewhat logical on the surface, I do agree. Socialism is a cute idea where those greedy capitalists aren't taking everything for themselves, right? Oddly, greed still exists even if you try and outlaw it. All you're doing in Socialism is restricting or completely banning competition with the state services. If the market (millions of individuals acting for their own self interests) isn't allowed to determine the natural price levels, then you're just giving that job to people who claim they know better than those individuals (centralizing the job of economic calculation). Being a person here discussing Bitcoin and decentralization, how the fuck do you not see that markets are decentralized and socialism is centralized? Communism just happens to be the most centralized form.

And simple idea: nationalize some companies but don't create a state monopoly. Hence if private companies are so much better they'll just crush the public ones.

Have you ever heard of Cooperatives (Co-ops)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

This would be somewhat similar to what I believe you're proposing. Great I'm all for that! Co-ops have been around for probably 100 years, I honestly don't know. The fact is though, that they are not "crushing" private companies. Co-ops seem to do well enough and I'm happy that people have the choice. That's called the free market!

But the fact is that I don't know a single company that was privatized and where the privatization was a good thing. The price never dropes, the quality of service doesn't rise but sure as hell the unemployment keep growing.

In a government run company they'll just keep propping it up with the use of tax dollars. It doesn't matter that economically speaking, it's a complete disaster. When you do that then of course you can keep your price low, but in the end you can't violate the laws of economics. People will just pay for it out of tax dollars. It's obfuscation and that's a classic strategy of Socialists, Environmentalists and the like. Quality wise you've got to be kidding if you can't understand how market competition improves quality! Look at Uber for example. Where I live we don't have Uber yet, but even the rumor that we will has been enough to get the local taxi cartels upping their game. Wow, all of a sudden they have taxi Apps. Funny how that works.