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Looks like Bible stories were taken from other, earlier myths. Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish." According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE. It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story in the Bible: Item | Ancient Israelite Creation Story | Babylonian Creation Story | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | Source | Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 | Enuma Elish | Date of writing (liberal belief) | 8th or 9th century BCE | Late 12th century BCE | Date of writing (conservative belief) | 13th century BCE, the time of Moses | Late 12th century BCE. | Author (liberal belief) | "P," authors of the Priestly tradition. | Unknown. | Author (conservative belief) | Moses. | Unknown. | Creator(s) of the universe | Multiple Gods, Elohim. | A God battling a Goddess. | Initial state of the earth | Desolate waste; covered in darkness. | Chaos; enveloped in darkness. | First development | Light created. | Light created. | Next development | Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven. | Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome. | Next development | Dry land created. | Dry land created. | Next development | Sun, moon, stars created. | Sun, moon, stars created. | Next development | Creation of men and women. | Creation of men and women. | Final development | God rests and sanctify the Sabbath. | Gods rest and celebrate. |
source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htmAccording to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period. source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htm
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Creator(s) of the universe | A single God, YHVH. | A God battling a Goddess. |
I'm curious where it says YHVH created the universe... the first verse of the bible refers to Elohim, plural for gods, creating the universe ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbible.ort.org%2Fwebmedia%2Ft1%2F0103C111.gif&t=665&c=QXT7X-pUUSPMeQ) protip: Read Hebrew from right to left In the beginning created gods, the heavens and the Earth. Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets. Bereshit (בראשית) = In the beginning bara (ברא) = created Elohim (אלהים) = gods (plural) et (את) = the hashamayim (השמים) = heavens (plural) ve'et (ואת) = and the ha'arets (הארץ) = Earth IIRC, YHVH (יהוה/Yahweh/Jehovah) means lord... so, lord = gods? Now I'm confused
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Creator(s) of the universe | A single God, YHVH. | A God battling a Goddess. |
I'm curious where it says YHVH created the universe... the first verse of the bible refers to Elohim, plural for gods, creating the universe ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbible.ort.org%2Fwebmedia%2Ft1%2F0103C111.gif&t=665&c=QXT7X-pUUSPMeQ) In the beginning created gods, the heaven and the Earth. Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets. Bereshit (בראשית) = In the beginning bara (ברא) = created Elohim (אלהים) = gods et (את) = the hashamayim (השמים) = heavens ve'et (ואת)= and the ha'arets (הארץ) = Earth IIRC, YHVH (יהוה) means lord... so, lord = gods? Now I'm confused Fixed it.
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You guys should check out the sumerian mythology/religion.
A lot of our world religions have their roots in their. Creation of the world and men, paradies, great flood and so on.
This is also no surprise because usually if a new dominant religion is emerging the old one will be partly assimilated to make the transition as smooth as possible.
Christians would be surprised if they read the bible and the Sumerian texts... it would blow their minds... Christians copied their entire tradition from somewhere... the texts are stolen from Sumerian and Jewish, the dates and festivals they stole are Germanic pagan... December 25 (winter solstice), aka Yule, had been celebrated for centuries before anyone invented the name Christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YuleEaster was also a pagan tradition... ever wonder what the Easter bunny and egg hunts have to do with Jesus rising from the dead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ĒostreĒostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre, Northumbrian dialect Ēostre; Old High German: *Ôstara (reconstructed form)) is a Germanic divinity who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter.
Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Eostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. december 25 isn't the birth of christ as you can read the bible, they do have sheeps and the big star is there when jesus was born and the 3 kings were one the way as well. if it were december, its going to be damn cold and has snow everywhere in jerusalem/bethlehem. so christ birthday its definitely not dec 25.
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Many men wrote the bible. The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also
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Many men wrote the bible. The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also
you mean those dead sea scrolls isn't exactly what it is and that its not really the real manuscript as these stories are handed down by word of mouth?
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Many men wrote the bible. The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also
Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible.
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Many men wrote the bible. The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also
Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible. King james is just very recent maybe around 1611 years After Christ. God knows what they've changed. New testament should have been back when few disciples were still alive. i believe Paul reached Asia to spread the word..
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Many men wrote the bible. The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also
Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible. King james is just very recent maybe around 1611 years After Christ. God knows what they've changed. New testament should have been back when few disciples were still alive. i believe Paul reached Asia to spread the word.. Yeah, Apostle Paul reached Asia, and base on my research King James Version is much closer to the translation of the original context of the bible. Because King James got the most intelligent scholars that time to translate the original bible.
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The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.
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The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.
You have a very loose definition of the word, fact... How many times does the word unicorn or dragon appear in the bible? Are you saying these mythological creatures are factual?
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The Bible is a book. Nothing more. Written by people. A collection of stories. That's it. Enough with the talking. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that it's real.
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The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.
there are lots of it aren't factual. the parables like the prodigal son i think isn't real but they jsut add the story there to set an example about the lost sheep. The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.
You have a very loose definition of the word, fact... How many times does the word unicorn or dragon appear in the bible? Are you saying these mythological creatures are factual? snake with 7 heads as well.
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I always wondered about the historical roots of the books in the Bible. Who wrote the books of the Bible? When were they written? Why someone wrote them? Were they inspired by God? Wikipedia does not list the author(s): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_BibleIt seems weird that 2 billion people in the world follow this book but nobody knows who wrote it. Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish." According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE. It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story in the Bible: Item | Ancient Israelite Creation Story | Babylonian Creation Story | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | Source | Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 | Enuma Elish | Date of writing (liberal belief) | 8th or 9th century BCE | Late 12th century BCE | Date of writing (conservative belief) | 13th century BCE, the time of Moses | Late 12th century BCE. | Author (liberal belief) | "P," authors of the Priestly tradition. | Unknown. | Author (conservative belief) | Moses. | Unknown. | Creator(s) of the universe | Multiple Gods, Elohim. | A God battling a Goddess. | Initial state of the earth | Desolate waste; covered in darkness. | Chaos; enveloped in darkness. | First development | Light created. | Light created. | Next development | Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven. | Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome. | Next development | Dry land created. | Dry land created. | Next development | Sun, moon, stars created. | Sun, moon, stars created. | Next development | Creation of men and women. | Creation of men and women. | Final development | God rests and sanctify the Sabbath. | Gods rest and celebrate. |
source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htmAccording to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period. source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htmSome disturbing verses from it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0i think a person who was living in a delusional life and had schizophrenic mindset wrote the work of fantastic fiction.. when i read this , i made up my mind like that..
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There is no clear authorship of the bible but I think its Jesus' disciples because they were one of the first who heard the word of God.
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This just tiring. This must be the strategy of religious people. To make others so tired that they just give up.
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This just tiring. This must be the strategy of religious people. To make others so tired that they just give up.
I think their strategy was to make the bible so long and boring that nobody would actually read the damn thing
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Well no one is lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.
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February 21, 2016, 05:44:40 PM |
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Well not all are that lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.
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February 21, 2016, 05:46:03 PM |
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Well no one is lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.
What? no one is lazy?!? Have you... met... ... people?
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