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September 13, 2017, 03:25:50 AM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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Hmmm, i think you have a big problem about racist with black people. All these problems happened with all presidents like Bush , Nixon, why you didn't talk about it ? Obama is a peaceful man, he doesn't want war to develop the economics. War makes people becomes homeless, pain and losing their husband, their wife or their son. Obama's care is the best medical services for Americans and it improves that Obama is a really nice person want peace. So i think he did his best at USA by his way. He didn't fail at all.
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September 13, 2017, 03:34:59 AM
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Ridiculously, she is not a debtor, she can bankrupt a minimum of 50 countries, which allocated funds for help. The country with the most developed economy, even the dollar when there was still no euro, was the main currency of many countries. But the points of view of aggression and submission to oneself, this is its worst quality.

America is not a debtor? Because that's demonstrably wrong. America is one of, if not the biggest, debtor nation in the world. America has a chronic inability to balance its budget, necessitating borrowing money from people, institutions and nations that have surplus money and are looking for a "safe" place to park them to mitigate inflationary risks. In no possible sense can America be said not to be a debtor.

I'd rather say it is arguably right

It doesn't really matter if Murrica is technically the largest debtor on the block. We should always face the facts without bias or prejudice (at least, as much as possible). And the first fact is that the US national debt is denominated in the same US dollars that the US government (the Fed, more specifically) happens to print. So this debt is entirely nominal. The second fact is that this debt (at least, the part which is held by foreign holders like the Gulf sheikhs, Japanese banks, Russian oligarchs, and Chinese nouveaux riches, to name a few) is not a debt at all. It is in fact a sort of toll that these nations pay to Murrica for being allowed to be what they are. It is just a handy and useful misnomer but we are not to be deceived into that shit, right?

You're just actively looking for reasons to disagree now. The debt is not nominal. Anyone with a cursory understanding of economics understands that printing money to pay off the debt would tank the currency, thereby destroying the value that's supposed to be repaid, and probably tanking the world economy in the process since so much of the world's saved value is denominated in the currency that would thereby be destroyed. Every nation that's tried to pay off their national debt by printing money has found out how not nominal the debt turns out to be. And even if you want to persist in that notion, it's still a debt, which by definition makes America a debtor nation. Your second point isn't even intelligible.

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September 13, 2017, 05:05:38 AM
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America is not a nation. Why does no one understand this?

America refers to ALL countries in the Western Hemisphere.

NORTH AMERICA plus SOUTH AMERICA = THE AMERICAS.
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September 13, 2017, 05:13:52 AM
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I think no! They always monopolize power, economic, military etc. I think Americans are benefiting from it because they have all the privileges. Majority wants to live American dream, excluding me. I love my nation above all.
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September 13, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
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Ridiculously, she is not a debtor, she can bankrupt a minimum of 50 countries, which allocated funds for help. The country with the most developed economy, even the dollar when there was still no euro, was the main currency of many countries. But the points of view of aggression and submission to oneself, this is its worst quality.

America is not a debtor? Because that's demonstrably wrong. America is one of, if not the biggest, debtor nation in the world. America has a chronic inability to balance its budget, necessitating borrowing money from people, institutions and nations that have surplus money and are looking for a "safe" place to park them to mitigate inflationary risks. In no possible sense can America be said not to be a debtor.

I'd rather say it is arguably right

It doesn't really matter if Murrica is technically the largest debtor on the block. We should always face the facts without bias or prejudice (at least, as much as possible). And the first fact is that the US national debt is denominated in the same US dollars that the US government (the Fed, more specifically) happens to print. So this debt is entirely nominal. The second fact is that this debt (at least, the part which is held by foreign holders like the Gulf sheikhs, Japanese banks, Russian oligarchs, and Chinese nouveaux riches, to name a few) is not a debt at all. It is in fact a sort of toll that these nations pay to Murrica for being allowed to be what they are. It is just a handy and useful misnomer but we are not to be deceived into that shit, right?

You're just actively looking for reasons to disagree now. The debt is not nominal. Anyone with a cursory understanding of economics understands that printing money to pay off the debt would tank the currency, thereby destroying the value that's supposed to be repaid, and probably tanking the world economy in the process since so much of the world's saved value is denominated in the currency that would thereby be destroyed. Every nation that's tried to pay off their national debt by printing money has found out how not nominal the debt turns out to be. And even if you want to persist in that notion, it's still a debt, which by definition makes America a debtor nation. Your second point isn't even intelligible

In fact, I had always been saying that

So it is certainly not a just one-off disagreement with your point (so to speak). As I said, we should face the facts. Here, another first fact is that the Fed had already printed massive amounts of dollars in the past to extinguish or quell the subprime mortgage crisis. Did this tank the dollar? Not in the least, as you likely know yourself, for the simple reason that this new money ("aeroplane money") never entered the real economy at all to make a dent in the purchasing power of the dollar (you should know that yourself). The second fact is that owing in the currency which you happen to print yourself prevents you from defaulting on your "debts", as simple as it gets, i.e. you can't default on the debt denominated in your own currency (unless you are out of you mind, obviously). That pretty much means that being a debtor in such circumstances is inconsequential. I don't know a proper term for this, but the term debt doesn't seem to be proper here (pardon the pun)

America is not a nation. Why does no one understand this?

We are talking about Murrica

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September 13, 2017, 09:55:01 AM
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YES:

USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



What do you guys think?

For me I think that America was not a failed nation it just got many debts, that's all. Debts can be repaid in due time but the fact that america has the largest military ever and with NSA spying on everyone I wont say that it is a failed nation. America has proven a lot in the past and in the present and is still treated as one of the powerful countries right now and a country. At least that is what I think of now but it might change in the future.
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September 14, 2017, 12:23:44 PM
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most of the things you mentioned are not true.. economies are mainly build on debt and credit, and America is doing a hell of a job in that regard. Can they improve other things? Sure, but we all can
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September 14, 2017, 01:24:52 PM
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America is an adigrivate country that many other countries for adoption in various fields to the American state in any sector. In the United States I am a country that has a lot of cooperation in terms of industry, especially in the field of technology. can not be denied that until now technological developments that occurred in my country can not be separated from the role of the United States that continue to supply the needs of technology for industrial needs. so what you say is I really do not understand. If America is a failed state of course, the country will not be known in many countries.
I think the circle of the bitcoin is not that small it is gaining more and more value. As much as America concerned it is not the nation only it is the well developed country so I think in America bitcoin is getting more and more famous and it is not failed at all but it is being more famous so in the future bitcoin will become the legal currency and it will increase the price of the bitcoin more and more.

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September 14, 2017, 03:20:13 PM
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if your point is which country is good as military so they aren't a failed nation ? Look at North Korea. what do you say about this country? North Korea is against the whole world. They're still poor and self-sufficiency. Are they success nation ?
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September 15, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
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I think every nation is a failure right now with their economic standards(fiat). If they can switch to a more stable economic system, like Bitcoin or gold standard, then they have a much better chance of becoming successful.
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September 15, 2017, 11:53:05 AM
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you are really joking,most of the country leaders send their sons daughters and wives to america for studying,living etc.why dont they stay in their own country?people tend to earn money in their own country and spend in America.in their eyes ,America is the heaven in the earth.

Agreed, in fact lot of nations are receiving huge help from America from huminatarian aid, foods, medicine, arms and money. America have the most help provided in the whole word plus they have the most advance technology and system.If America is a failed nation then it will not be respected by most countries in the world.
America is helping so many countries in stabilizing their economy. Any third world country whenever hit upon by natural calamity, America does help them in recovering their loss but at the same time, on the other hand many countries are suffering in the name of terrorism. America does invade such states and kill even innocent people too.

Well, there seems to be quite a different opinion

Even Henry Kissinger (the eminence grise behind the American foreign policy for decades) once quipped that "it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal". The US is controlling the IMF (also known as the International Misery Fund), and through this fund, America is destroying the economies of the countries to which the IMF is providing credit lines. Anyway, you may want to learn more about the so-called economic hitmen

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September 27, 2017, 04:48:42 AM
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America is an adigrivate country that many other countries for adoption in various fields to the American state in any sector. In the United States I am a country that has a lot of cooperation in terms of industry, especially in the field of technology. can not be denied that until now technological developments that occurred in my country can not be separated from the role of the United States that continue to supply the needs of technology for industrial needs. so what you say is I really do not understand. If America is a failed state of course, the country will not be known in many countries.
I think the circle of the bitcoin is not that small it is gaining more and more value. As much as America concerned it is not the nation only it is the well developed country so I think in America bitcoin is getting more and more famous and it is not failed at all but it is being more famous so in the future bitcoin will become the legal currency and it will increase the price of the bitcoin more and more.
No I don’t think that America is a failed nation because they are far more ahead from the various developed countries in the field economics, technology, education and a lot more. In fact their governments invest money on the people to increase their ethical standard in the society. They work for the welfare of the people and society to become more successful.
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September 27, 2017, 05:08:34 AM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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America has made sure they always win and they get what they want, by black mailing or by arms, one way or the other.  Now that Trump is the president, God knows what will happen in the near future.  World war 3,if it happens, lord forbid, the chances for America to be replaced from being a super power is high because this time Norh Korea is well prepared and the nuclear weapons that they possess seems to be a lot of trouble for the whole world.

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September 27, 2017, 05:27:34 AM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



What do you guys think?

America has made sure they always win and they get what they want, by black mailing or by arms, one way or the other.  Now that Trump is the president, God knows what will happen in the near future.  World war 3,if it happens, lord forbid, the chances for America to be replaced from being a super power is high because this time Norh Korea is well prepared and the nuclear weapons that they possess seems to be a lot of trouble for the whole world.
Indeed, I dont think America is a failed nation, america has the superpower it has. They are even advanced in technology and education. Yet lets hope world war3 will never happen if north korea will declare of since they are already prepared for the world war.
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September 27, 2017, 06:04:28 AM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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Is Not America a failed nation, they are very strong. because they have high level education, technology. so they are not failed nation.

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September 27, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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No i do not think bitcoin is a failed nation because america is one of the greatest countries in the world so their no reasons that america is really a failed nation. America has a high level education and so many advance technologies. Even at the past America is not a failed nation they are still one of the greatest countries.
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November 05, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
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nope, but technology wise they are one who manipulated in the internet. they have strong tracking device and can track down any site in the world they just want to protect human identity. America is helping other countries to make the world a better place.
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November 06, 2017, 02:00:47 AM
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USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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United States of America is the number 1 famous in the world, America also is the most largest financer of the army tools all over the world, America is the debtor nation, all I know is America is a Great nation But now they are fast going down. They are experiencing economy crisis. Yes I do believe that since obama control the government he do not care for it rather he ruined everything. Today they are starting again to rise up. I think they can recover but not absolutely they can try to come back again as Great America before.


Because this is an issue of one of the best country in the history (one of the largest too), we can't have all the facts just by searching the surface webs and we can't just rely on the information on the deepweb (about politics and nation). We must feel and see for ourselves, specially those people who are residents of America if the nation itself is a failed. A nation is the group of people that is living there, and this nation will only rise if all of its people will rise.
Considering the factors, and the blames that's is being pointed out in the government itself, the useless printing of dollars for political reasons, and the controversy that the gold is missing in the fort Knox, makes it hard to believe that America is going strong.
If the nation itself is not true to its people and those who are in the position are seeing the population as a club and different species then we can conclube by just observing what is happening right now, that it is failing hard.
And the same goes for the other countries.

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November 06, 2017, 03:13:24 AM
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YES:

USA largest debtor nation in history of human species
Obamacare ruined everything
Federeal reserve
0% rates
Eventual economic collapse or hyperinflation

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Largest military ever not going down without a fight
NSA is spying on everyone



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I do not think America is a failed nation, they are always great. The things you are seeing are just the surface, what they are doing and will achieve may not be known.
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Okay now that depends on how are we looking at different country’s? According to the power of destruction they are having or according to the services provided within there country. If that is the case then I believe nation is not much successful because there most of the funds, taxes and all the stuff goes into military development. No matter what I think they are preparing for alien invasion! It could happen who know? Anyway, no offence by the way. But yeah development of country depends on whats going on inside the nation but not over the borders of it. Somehow they have managed both the things.
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