So actual bet history (
bold = in screenshot):
#98146261 - nonce #2495 - BTC0.016 (win)... 466 bets with 0 amount ?? (I am too lazy to run my script to get those
) ...
#98189833 - nonce #2960 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189843 - nonce #2961 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189847 - nonce #2962 - BTC0.001 (loss)#98189852 - nonce #2963 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189864 - nonce #2964 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189875 - nonce #2965 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189886 - nonce #2966 - BTC0.002 (loss)#98189887 - nonce #2967 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189896 - nonce #2968 - BTC0.004 (loss)#98189899 - nonce #2969 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189910 - nonce #2970 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189921 - nonce #2971 -
BTC0 (win)
#98189932 - nonce #2972 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189943 - nonce #2973 -
BTC0 (win)
#98189954 - nonce #2974 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189962 - nonce #2975 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189973 - nonce #2976 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98189981 - nonce #2977 -
BTC0 (win)
#98189989 - nonce #2978 -
BTC0 (win)
#98189998 - nonce #2979 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190005 - nonce #2980 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190015 - nonce #2981 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190022 - nonce #2982 - BTC0.008 (loss)#98190028 - nonce #2983 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190036 - nonce #2984 - BTC0.016 (loss)#98190037 - nonce #2985 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190044 - nonce #2986 - BTC0.032 (loss)#98190048 - nonce #2987 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190055 - nonce #2988 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190065 - nonce #2989 - BTC0.064 (loss)#98190067 - nonce #2990 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190074 - nonce #2991 - BTC0.128 (loss)#98190075 - nonce #2992 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190081 - nonce #2993 - BTC0.256 (loss)#98190085 - nonce #2994 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190091 - nonce #2995 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190100 - nonce #2996 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190110 - nonce #2997 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190119 - nonce #2998 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190125 - nonce #2999 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190136 - nonce #3000 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190143 - nonce #3001 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190153 - nonce #3002 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190162 - nonce #3003 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190169 - nonce #3004 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190179 - nonce #3005 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190188 - nonce #3006 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190195 - nonce #3007 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190205 - nonce #3008 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190215 - nonce #3009 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190223 - nonce #3010 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190230 - nonce #3011 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190242 - nonce #3012 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190249 - nonce #3013 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190260 - nonce #3014 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190266 - nonce #3015 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190275 - nonce #3016 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190286 - nonce #3017 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190294 - nonce #3018 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190304 - nonce #3019 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190312 - nonce #3020 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190323 - nonce #3021 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190331 - nonce #3022 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190339 - nonce #3023 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190346 - nonce #3024 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190356 - nonce #3025 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190366 - nonce #3026 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190376 - nonce #3027 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190387 - nonce #3028 -
BTC0 (loss)
#98190396 - nonce #3029 -
BTC0 (win)
#98190403 - nonce #3030 - BTC0.512 (loss)Seems plenty of bets were 0 amount (way more than 30.) Note: if you
refresh the page on SafeDice, the 0 amount bets are actually
not shown in bet history.
Player's fault?The most logical explanation is that player made 0 amount bets, which are not shown after you refresh the page. But OP claims he doesn't make 0 amount bets. It does make me curious why between that last win and first lose, there are 466 bets with 0 amount. I find it hard to imagine that OP clicked 466 times without getting any bet result.
But if it's really true that his nonce-counter says "3000" but his real last bet nonce is at "3030", then there is probably at least some server-side problem. (In theory that screenshot could have been made in between though, but I assume SafeDice can check this.)
Rigging?I was going to give multiple reasons why I do not think it's "rigging". But 1 reason seems enough: from nonce #2960 to nonce #2970 (including), he would have a losing streak of 11 bets. While this actual losing streak is only 10 bets. So if it's rigged, they are not very good at it :XD
Overall to me it implies much more some server-side issue that results in 0 amount bets, but I have no idea what/how.
Basically I do hope/expect another explanation from SafeDice.
Just my 2 satoshis.
Thank you for the analysis Nico
I did analyzed the same thing. I hope this can clarifies what happened wasn't an ill intention from the server.
Regarding the 3000 & 3030 nonce, (tl;dr) it was only a display discrepancy...
When the browser loaded, it will take the latest nonce from the server and increment it only when you " click " the roll. The server, on the other hand will increase the nonce whenever it receives a roll command. What happened on this case was that all the rolls were valid on the server, but probably wasn't made by the same browser, the browser only notices it was made few rolls until 3000 nonce.
First of all my apologies for this confusion, especially to Ned. Please dont get it wrongly, we have been established since 2014 and there are people who won more than 50 BTC in total.
I ensure you it wasn't an attempt to 'rig' your rolls or to make you have a losing bet. I havent check the bets myself but I see Lutpin has done it. Whatever causes this isn't planned and therefore I believe the end result is random. I'd love to see if there's a pattern in it.
From the server side, all bets seem to be pretty valid, I'll check if I got any clue on this.
Website is 15 months old so don't get to excited with established since 2014.
Showing 0 bet if bet actually arrived to server, but you're too afraid user will win again is just too sick.
What do you mean by " too afraid user will win again? "
Everyone is always welcome to place a bet, even we put a marketing budget on this
Hello SD Admin? Care to share what happened? Also what is up with not being able to withdraw again?
Sorry to make you wait, there are several possibilities:
1) Imagine you have two browsers running at the same time, logged in on the same account, the first one is the browser in the screenshot, the other one made those zero rolls.
2) You were running a bot, and it has a bug
3) Something wrong happened with the network and it sends a " shadow roll request " (very unlikely)
I also have an explanation why this case happened only to you. This probably related to your previous report which happened few days before this.
In short, few days before Ned started to win, his account was compromised. It has nothing to do with the server, and I gave him all information that I got, ask him to use 2FA, and reimburse some amount because he was a returning user.
For security measure, I'll just message Ned directly about the explanation.
