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[Zeke2345]

So we have a topic about trust abuse and here we are going after a member because they do not want to disclose who they are.

No, dont be dishonest, the OP has failed to even make a coherent case for his claim about there being an abuse of the trust system. What we have instead is a rambling diatribe employing fallacious reasoning and ad hominem complaint about how the commercial issuers of gift cards are apparently fully aware they are open to abuse but don't care, as though that is a reasonable defense of dishonest behaviour, even if it were true, which is highly unlikely.

Then, when the sock-puppet's posts in this thread are challenged for being utterly void of merit and lacking in substance, we see him and other, equally vapid contributors to this discussion, try to claim there is a fucking 'cultural' issue and that they are being 'attacked'.

The only people being put 'on the defensive' here are the assholes who clearly don't like the trust system being used for the purpose it exists for, namely, communicating to other forum users the referenced proof of a user's dishonest behaviour.

How am I being dishonest? My perception may be off but you can not call me dishonest because you do not agree.
Since when is voicing a contrary opinion so bad in this forum? You can write me off as sock-puppet by I am still here and it does not change my view. Hopefully others can think for themselves,nor do I wish to sway them. Just want a open discussion.

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[mexxer-2]

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a cultural difference that is in play,because it feels quite clear to me that there is some misuse of power.

or you are biased and your opinion should be discarded here.

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1363981.0

Edit: Allow me to clarify why I posted this. The discussion lacks good arguments as to why the two should be removed from DT. They are abusive is one argument, yet clear cases of abuse have not brought forth, besides for the gift cards. There is another thread discussing whether DT members should go against gift card sellers or not. I have a strong feeling that this (and the other two threads) are here for the same reason. Lutpin and mexxer-2 are new to DT so it is easier to attack them than others that took a stance against gift card sellers. It is in no way meant to attack or discredit you as a person, I think I just understood why this comes now and for what reason.

Pretty much yes, I admit I might've jumped the gun in anonymous3xx(some numbers) case as, now that I think about it 20% is a pretty reasonable discount. But its still open to discussion as to if the selling of such discounted cards is susceptible to a negative rating, jumping on the conclusion that I'm extorting someone for no reason is just stupid. My rating shows my opinion about such suspicious activity, and from what I know long-standing members'(not some mindless shill alts) opinion is the same, if you feel it should be different instead of rooting out users whose minority of ratings are on that topic, try convincing the community(not the biased mindless alts) why such an opinion is wrong.

And for f*ck's sake, don't use real life implications as an example.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

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a cultural difference that is in play,because it feels quite clear to me that there is some misuse of power.

or you are biased and your opinion should be discarded here.

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1363981.0

Edit: Allow me to clarify why I posted this. The discussion lacks good arguments as to why the two should be removed from DT. They are abusive is one argument, yet clear cases of abuse have not brought forth, besides for the gift cards. There is another thread discussing whether DT members should go against gift card sellers or not. I have a strong feeling that this (and the other two threads) are here for the same reason. Lutpin and mexxer-2 are new to DT so it is easier to attack them than others that took a stance against gift card sellers. It is in no way meant to attack or discredit you as a person, I think I just understood why this comes now and for what reason.

Pretty much yes, I admit I might've jumped the gun in anonymous3xx(some numbers) case as, now that I think about it 20% is a pretty reasonable discount. But its still open to discussion as to if the selling of such discounted cards is susceptible to a negative rating, jumping on the conclusion that I'm extorting someone for no reason is just stupid. My rating shows my opinion about such suspicious activity, and from what I know long-standing members'(not some mindless shill alts) opinion is the same, if you feel it should be different instead of rooting out users whose minority of ratings are on that topic, try convincing the community(not the biased mindless alts) why such an opinion is wrong.

And for f*ck's sake, don't use real life implications as an example.

So are you now going to remove the negative rating from anonymous22's account? Since you say that his discounts is reasonable i dont think the negative trust is needed, his trust page is here

[mexxer-2]

So are you now going to remove the negative rating from anonymous22's account? Since you say that his discounts is reasonable i dont think the negative trust is needed, his trust page is here

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

And I'm waiting for some smartass to post the loop again "Why are you not removing the feedback if you're not entirely suspicious? [After neg removed] See you had to admit you were wrong, and someone who makes even one wrong decision is not fit for DT"

[Your Point Is Invalid]

So are you now going to remove the negative rating from anonymous22's account? Since you say that his discounts is reasonable i dont think the negative trust is needed, his trust page is here

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

And I'm waiting for some smartass to post the loop again "Why are you not removing the feedback if you're not entirely suspicious? [After neg removed] See you had to admit you were wrong, and someone who makes even one wrong decision is not fit for DT"

Did OgNasty say he will release confirmation in a week? What if OgNasty does not deal with this matter within a week, although it will be out of anonymous22's control, would you again let him suffer?


edit: also, yes Heutenamos will rub the fact that you had to change the feedback in your face

[mexxer-2]

Did OgNasty say he will release confirmation in a week?

No but anonymous did(that he'll be letting one of the trusted member to confirm ASAP, 7 days is more than enough)

although it will be out of anonymous22's control, would you again let him suffer?

Its not out of his control, he just has to get one of the trusted non-biased 3rd party individual to confirm any of his GCs aren't obtained illegally. You can go over the details as to how with EcuaMobi

[Your Point Is Invalid]

You can say all you want about how DT isnt trustworthy, the fact of the matter is that it is forced upon the forum's users and therefore should be regulated

Are you saying anyone isn't free to create their own list of people who they trust, and use DT not because they're lazy but because theymos is forcing it down their throat? You're kidding right?

Also, you are not offering people choices, when their reputations are on the line you are forcing them

While you're forcing Blazed to remove me from his trust list, while making it seem as if his reputation is getting affected by me. Anyway, so, you guys are allowed to question my activities/loans/ratings while I can't question something that is suspicious and can(and according to anonymous has been proved to a trusted member) be proved otherwise if provided the proof?

How am i forcing blaze to remove you? do you have any evidence?

[Emerge]

You can say all you want about how DT isnt trustworthy, the fact of the matter is that it is forced upon the forum's users and therefore should be regulated

Are you saying anyone isn't free to create their own list of people who they trust, and use DT not because they're lazy but because theymos is forcing it down their throat? You're kidding right?

Also, you are not offering people choices, when their reputations are on the line you are forcing them

While you're forcing Blazed to remove me from his trust list, while making it seem as if his reputation is getting affected by me. Anyway, so, you guys are allowed to question my activities/loans/ratings while I can't question something that is suspicious and can(and according to anonymous has been proved to a trusted member) be proved otherwise if provided the proof?

How am i forcing blaze to remove you? do you have any evidence?

Don't mind it, he's being overly defensive to protect his DT state. All we came here to do was voice our opinions on the matter till he started acting up here in the thread

[Blazed]

Well, I see this has turned into quite the shit storm. I have been afk for the last few days and not had a chance to go over all these threads yet. I will read all these posts in this thread and the others and see why we have all of this drama.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So are you now going to remove the negative rating from anonymous22's account? Since you say that his discounts is reasonable i dont think the negative trust is needed, his trust page is here

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

And I'm waiting for some smartass to post the loop again "Why are you not removing the feedback if you're not entirely suspicious? [After neg removed] See you had to admit you were wrong, and someone who makes even one wrong decision is not fit for DT"

Did OgNasty say he will release confirmation in a week? What if OgNasty does not deal with this matter within a week, although it will be out of anonymous22's control, would you again let him suffer?


edit: also, yes Heutenamos will rub the fact that you had to change the feedback in your face

Oh what a fucking drama queen you are.  The boy isn't going to suffer because of a negative rating and if he does then he should get to a hospital.

Heutenamos will do as you said because he's a fucking asshole, and most of what he says should be summarily disregarded, like most of what you say.

[OgNasty]

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

My name seems to be appearing a lot in this thread.  Let me just poke my head in and say a couple things.

1) Nobody sent me any proof of anything, and I don't think such a thing exists relating to the purchase of gift cards.  If someone asked me to confirm such a thing, I would tell them no.

2) Guns were sold on this forum.  It is legal to do so in the US.  All the gun sales I saw involved shipping to licensed dealers for pickup.  Perhaps this seems odd to those who do not live in the US, but here we can buy guns from anyone fairly easily and legally.

3) People who spam the forum with crap to make a couple dollars a week are not contributing anything.  Paid signature campaigns, account sellers, and the escrows who support them are making this community a really crappy place.

[Quickseller]

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

My name seems to be appearing a lot in this thread.  Let me just poke my head in and say a couple things.

1) Nobody sent me any proof of anything, and I don't think such a thing exists relating to the purchase of gift cards.  If someone asked me to confirm such a thing, I would tell them no.

Has there been any attempt to send you anything that could possibly be considered evidence of legitimicy or has there been any attempt to prove to you that the gift cards in question are legit?

If the answer is yes then it would be possible that you simply do not wish to stake your reputation on someone else who you do not know which I would not find to be unreasonable. However if there was outright no attempt to send any kind of documentation of the legitimacy of the GC in question then he was outright lying when he said that he sent you "proof"

[OgNasty]

Fair enough, changing it to a neutral for now, but considering his side of the argument , he has sent OgNasty necessary proofs that the method used to obtain those. The neg will be reinstated(in a week's time to be specific) if a confirmation is not posted by OgNasty as he has promised

My name seems to be appearing a lot in this thread.  Let me just poke my head in and say a couple things.

1) Nobody sent me any proof of anything, and I don't think such a thing exists relating to the purchase of gift cards.  If someone asked me to confirm such a thing, I would tell them no.

Has there been any attempt to send you anything that could possibly be considered evidence of legitimicy or has there been any attempt to prove to you that the gift cards in question are legit?

If the answer is yes then it would be possible that you simply do not wish to stake your reputation on someone else who you do not know which I would not find to be unreasonable. However if there was outright no attempt to send any kind of documentation of the legitimacy of the GC in question then he was outright lying when he said that he sent you "proof"

He sent me a message explaining things from his side and asked me to review emails from newegg to authenticate his gift cards.  I ignored it.  Not because I have any issue with him, but simply because it is not a service I offer nor want to be involved in.  People send me all sorts of crazy requests that have nothing to do with me all the time.  These days I rarely take the time to respond.

[Heutenamos]

3) People who spam the forum with crap to make a couple dollars a week are not contributing anything.  Paid signature campaigns, account sellers, and the escrows who support them are making this community a really crappy place.

Maybe I get life imprisonment for getting involved in Guns and you dont.Maybe there is someone who thinks Gun's and weapons are the reason why thousands of people get killed or are abused,raped or looted at the streets etc...and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

A 18 year old in Japan wants to stop that but you are promoting the sales while providing proper safety of the Guns or weapons and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Sig Spammer can be banned and that banned account can be recovered by the Admin or any staff guy but the Innocent person who who was killed by the Carjacker with a GUN cannot be brought back to life to support his family and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Be a 10 year old and fight for what you like or be a grown up and fight for what is right ,Is your choice.

[OgNasty]

3) People who spam the forum with crap to make a couple dollars a week are not contributing anything.  Paid signature campaigns, account sellers, and the escrows who support them are making this community a really crappy place.

Maybe I get life imprisonment for getting involved in Guns and you dont.Maybe there is someone who thinks Gun's and weapons are the reason why thousands of people get killed or are abused,raped or looted at the streets etc...and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

A 18 year old in Japan wants to stop that but you are promoting the sales while providing proper safety of the Guns or weapons and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Sig Spammer can be banned and that banned account can be recovered by the Admin or any staff guy but the Innocent person who who was killed by the Carjacker with a GUN cannot be brought back to life to support his family and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Be a 10 year old and fight for what you like or be a grown up and fight for what is right ,Is your choice.

That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.  Also, for the record... I have never been involved in any gun sales on this forum.  Not as a buyer, seller, or escrow agent.

[mexxer-2]

You can say all you want about how DT isnt trustworthy, the fact of the matter is that it is forced upon the forum's users and therefore should be regulated

Are you saying anyone isn't free to create their own list of people who they trust, and use DT not because they're lazy but because theymos is forcing it down their throat? You're kidding right?

Also, you are not offering people choices, when their reputations are on the line you are forcing them

While you're forcing Blazed to remove me from his trust list, while making it seem as if his reputation is getting affected by me. Anyway, so, you guys are allowed to question my activities/loans/ratings while I can't question something that is suspicious and can(and according to anonymous has been proved to a trusted member) be proved otherwise if provided the proof?

How am i forcing blaze to remove you? do you have any evidence?

Don't mind it, he's being overly defensive to protect his DT state. All we came here to do was voice our opinions on the matter till he started acting up here in the thread

Forcing was not the right word, attacking was.

3) People who spam the forum with crap to make a couple dollars a week are not contributing anything.  Paid signature campaigns, account sellers, and the escrows who support them are making this community a really crappy place.

Maybe I get life imprisonment for getting involved in Guns and you dont.Maybe there is someone who thinks Gun's and weapons are the reason why thousands of people get killed or are abused,raped or looted at the streets etc...and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

A 18 year old in Japan wants to stop that but you are promoting the sales while providing proper safety of the Guns or weapons and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Sig Spammer can be banned and that banned account can be recovered by the Admin or any staff guy but the Innocent person who who was killed by the Carjacker with a GUN cannot be brought back to life to support his family and the escrows who support them are making this human community a really crappy place ?

Be a 10 year old and fight for what you like or be a grown up and fight for what is right ,Is your choice.

That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.  Also, for the record... I have never been involved in any gun sales on this forum.  Not as a buyer, seller, or escrow agent.

Don't mind him, he's pretty well known for derailing conversations

[Heutenamos]

That is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

 
Yes, I am stupid if i don't say stupid to what you say stupid,Isn't it ?

Also, for the record... I have never been involved in any gun sales on this forum.  Not as a buyer, seller, or escrow agent.

OK then, why bragging ? It is no way cool or impressive and nor this thread is bout discussing guns should be sold or not.

Don't mind him

Yes My Lord don't mind me. I am your dogie and will be barking for you all my life and expect you to give me one positive rating just before i die and also add me your trust list so that i could troll others with the feedback's.

he's pretty well known for derailing conversations

Like talking bout guns in Reputation ?

[Lutpin]

Yes My Lord don't mind me. I am your dogie and will be barking for you all my life

Aren't Lions...you know, cats.

that would include lauda I guess?

Indeed it would.

[Heutenamos]

Yes My Lord don't mind me. I am your dogie and will be barking for you all my life

Aren't Lions...you know, cats.

that would include lauda i guess ?

[MisterMiyagi]

Don't mind him, he's pretty well known for derailing conversations

What gives you the authority to say so ?Did you have a look,day by day the threads about your Trust abuses is increasing .Surprisingly they are not from the people who have negative tagged.Just waiting for the day you are thrown out of DT and
some sense is returned in this forum again.

Also tell your puppet whywefight to read Og's post , selling accounts ==Poison to this forum.You seem to encourage it.Amazing use of DT power.