Open letter to Cryptodevil...

[trenchflaint]

I just have a few things that i would like you to clarify...
This is in response to the abuse you are causing with the trust system here...
As far as i can see you are just a frustrated police man who blackmail and dictates...

1. Bitcointalk.org
This is part of the rule...

Your IP address has previously been used for evil on this forum, or it is a known proxy/VPN/Tor exit node, so you are required to pay a small fee before you are able to post messages or send PMs. You can still use all of the read-only features without paying.

Your account contains 1.17 units of evil. To atone, you must pay a total of x.xxxxxxxx bitcoins (x.xxxxx mBTC; xxxx satoshi). Pay to the address 15EWTeoFPwoBcKFNkRYAGxsCKqTryNUAsm. Once you have paid the full amount, wait a few seconds and then reload this page. If the fee is so small that your wallet is unable to send it, you can send any larger amount, though you will not be refunded the difference.

Alternatively, any forum staff member and some other notable members can manually whitelist you. Paying the fee is probably easier/quicker, though.

Lets say im a scammer/ponzi/hyip owner but still i can pay the forum so i can continue my deeds here...
Despite the fact that i can use my money to pay an entrance fee to scam people...
This is a clear part of participation in behalf of the forum for accepting payments from a scammer/ponzi/hyip owner...

My question to you Cryptodevil...

Would you tag the bitcointalk.org a red tag for accepting payment knowingly that person is coming to this forum just to scam others...
Would you tag the owner/admin here for accepting money from a scammer/ponzi/hyip admin?..

2.Investorbased game

Since i have paid a certain amount just to get in the forum...
Now i post my scam/ponzi/hyip in the Investor based game...
The moderator know that my thread is a scam and i just built it to scam people...
He/She has the power to delete my post to prevent any scam...
But let it sit there and didnt do anything...

My question to Cryptodevil...

Would you Tag a moderator with red for letting a scam thread sit there...
When he/she has the power to do something about it...
Isnt this also a participation with the said scam?...

3.Your hidden agenda

When you created this a thread about how "Extremely Effective" the abuse you are doing to the trust system...
Its clearly shows the hidden agenda behind that...
You clearly want to have some positive trust on your name...

4.Future plans...

I dont know your future plans on your account but i know there is...
If its position to this forum well an abuser,dictator blackmailing person provably wont be promoted to any...


Fact

If you want to clear this forum from scammer/ponzi/hyip admin tell them to ban the IP`s of any known scammer...
(you dont have the power to do that since you are a frustrated police man)

The money that is being generated from the scammer/ponzi/hyip owner/visitor on investor based games is much higher than your daily visit here...
(you are just a fraction from the money/traffic that is being generated,so still you are just a frustrated police man)

At the end of the day this is all about the money/traffic that is being generated from every visitor here...
So every visitor counts and you cant do anything about that coz you are just a frustrated police man who abuses the trust system...

Hope i can here some point of view from you...

Hope you wont get tired to flood the said section as you know if you cant stop them from coming,you cant clean them up...

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

What the f did I just read?

[Lauda]

Fact

If you want to clear this forum from scammer/ponzi/hyip admin tell them to ban the IP`s of any known scammer...
(you dont have the power to do that since you are a frustrated police man)

No:
1) Scams are not moderated.
2) Banning IPs effectively does nothing. It is easy to acquire those (e.g. my VPN gives me access to several).
If you think that he is abusing the system then contact dooglus (he is the reason for which cryptodevil is in Trust Depth 2).

[Heutenamos]

you are just a frustrated police man who abuses the trust system...

It takes some sense to even be a corrupt policeman.He is just trolling cause his group members are backing him or he is backing himself with other high level alt's.

Dont expect anything.

[trenchflaint]

you are just a frustrated police man who abuses the trust system...

It takes some sense to even be a corrupt policeman.He is just trolling cause his group members are backing him or he is backing himself with other high level alt's.

Dont expect anything.

Ive just presented some facts regarding this forum...
The rules of the forum,from his ideology as it is making now look like a spam...
From what he is doing flooding the said subforum...

I wish he or any of his partners could make an statement about 1. and enlighten me about this...
Coz this is a direct participation of a scam as cryptodevil is saying...

[MontyOnTheRun]

It makes the forum a much nicer, cleaner and smarter place.

[cryptodevil]

Urgh! These socks are getting so tiresome.

Fine, OP, whichever version of the usual idiot you are, let's break it down for you:

1. Bitcointalk.org
This is part of the rule...
Lets say im a scammer/ponzi/hyip owner but still i can pay the forum so i can continue my deeds here...
Despite the fact that i can use my money to pay an entrance fee to scam people...
This is a clear part of participation in behalf of the forum for accepting payments from a scammer/ponzi/hyip owner...

If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

Besides, the point is still moot as highlighting the untrustworthy behaviour of others does not assuage your own. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

2.Investorbased game

Since i have paid a certain amount just to get in the forum...
Now i post my scam/ponzi/hyip in the Investor based game...
The moderator know that my thread is a scam and i just built it to scam people...
He/She has the power to delete my post to prevent any scam...
But let it sit there and didnt do anything...

It is not forum policy to police the discussions. It is down to us, the community. The forum has already tried to shovel the shitpile of likely-ponzi threads into that sub-forum, this does not equate to tacit support for those scams. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

3.Your hidden agenda

When you created this a thread about how "Extremely Effective" the abuse you are doing to the trust system...
Its clearly shows the hidden agenda behind that...
You clearly want to have some positive trust on your name...

Says you, based on what? Your own devious plans to farm trust for dishonest purposes, perhaps? Projection much? See? We can both make bullshit speculation. So fuck you on that one. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

4.Future plans...

I dont know your future plans on your account but i know there is...

I have no fucking idea what assertion you even think you're making here. This argument is thus rendered invalid.

This thread is just another bullshit piece of sock-puppetry. When will you idiots learn that unless you actually have a cogent argument all you're doing is displaying how you couldn't logically reason your way out of a wet paper bag.

[trenchflaint]

If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

Besides, the point is still moot as highlighting the untrustworthy behaviour of others does not assuage your own. This argument point is thus rendered invalid

Still the forum is accepting payments as part of entry from a flagged ip address...
Who uses TOR when you know its flagged from the start and you have to pay a certain amount to use it?..(of course a scammer)...
How can you say invalid when the fact is shown that the forum is accepting payment from a scammer...

It is not forum policy to police the discussions. It is down to us, the community. The forum has already tried to shovel the shitpile of likely-ponzi threads into that sub-forum, this does not equate to tacit support for those scams. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

Another invalid hence you didnt answer my question...
Would you Tag a moderator with red for letting a scam thread sit there...
When he/she has the power to do something about it...
Isnt this also a participation with the said scam?...

Says you, based on what? Your own devious plans to farm trust for dishonest purposes, perhaps? Projection much? See? We can both make bullshit speculation. So fuck you on that one. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

Another invalid hence it only show your hidden agenda...

I have no fucking idea what assertion you even think you're making here. This argument is thus rendered invalid.

This thread is just another bullshit piece of sock-puppetry. When will you idiots learn that unless you actually have a cogent argument all you're doing is displaying how you couldn't logically reason your way out of a wet paper bag.

Fact

If you want to clear this forum from scammer/ponzi/hyip admin tell them to ban the IP`s of any known scammer...
(you dont have the power to do that since you are a frustrated police man)

The money that is being generated from the scammer/ponzi/hyip owner/visitor on investor based games is much higher than your daily visit here...
(you are just a fraction from the money/traffic that is being generated,so still you are just a frustrated police man)

At the end of the day this is all about the money/traffic that is being generated from every visitor here...
So every visitor counts and you cant do anything about that coz you are just a frustrated police man who abuses the trust system...

[Mitchell]

Still the forum is accepting payments as part of entry from a flagged ip addrerss...
Who uses TOR when you know its flagged from the start and you have to pay a certain amount to use it?..(of course a scammer)...
How can you say invalid when the fact is shown that the forum is accepting payment from a scammer...

Jesus christ. How dense are you? What you are saying is the following: "Someone that uses TOR must be a scammer, so Bitcointalk is accepting money from scammers.". Someone who uses TOR doesn't have to be a scammer as privacy isn't just for scammers.

Another invalid hence you didnt answer my question...
Would you Tag a moderator with red for letting a scam thread sit there...
When he/she has the power to do something about it...
Isnt this also a participation with the said scam?...

Lauda already said this, but we, the staff, do not moderate scams. It's up to the users to not be stupid. We aren't babysitters.

If you want to clear this forum from scammer/ponzi/hyip admin tell them to ban the IP`s of any known scammer...

Still a retarded statement. A lot of ISP's use dynamic IP's, so it's likely that we would deny access to good people that just happen to receive a "bad" IP.

TL;DR: You are retarded.

Ahaaaaaa! There we have it, for all your bollocks about claiming to genuinely want to understand the situation you're just fucked off that ponzi collaborators are being held to account for their actions. Stamping your feet and screaming until your face turns blue won't magically turn your bullshit post into valid argument.

Exactly.

[cryptodevil]

So every visitor counts and you cant do anything about that coz you are just a frustrated police man who abuses the trust system...

Ahaaaaaa! There we have it, for all your bollocks about claiming to genuinely want to understand the situation you're just fucked off that ponzi collaborators are being held to account for their actions. Stamping your feet and screaming until your face turns blue won't magically turn your bullshit post into valid argument.

[trenchflaint]

@Mitchełł

Jesus christ. How dense are you? What you are saying is the following: "Someone that uses TOR must be a scammer, so Bitcointalk is accepting money from scammers.". Someone who uses TOR doesn't have to be a scammer as privacy isn't just for scammers.

Are you willing to pay a certain amount here in the forum for using TOR even if you know that you didnt do anything bad from this forum?...

Lauda already said this, but we, the staff, do not moderate scams. It's up to the users to not be stupid. We aren't babysitters.

Yeah you aint baby sitter but still he didnt answer my question about the said topic...

@crypto

Ahaaaaaa! There we have it, for all your bollocks about claiming to genuinely want to understand the situation you're just fucked off that ponzi collaborators are being held to account for their actions. Stamping your feet and screaming until your face turns blue won't magically turn your bullshit post into valid argument.

Yup you cant change the fact that this is all about the money coming to this site from all the visitor/traffic and  you cant do anything about it...
You will still end up as a frustrated police man here in this forum...

[cryptodevil]

Are you willing to pay a certain amount here in the forum for using TOR even if you know that you didnt do anything bad from this forum?...

Straw man fallacy.

You will still end up as a frustrated police man here in this forum...

Ad hominem repetition.

You really suck at this.

[trenchflaint]

You will still end up as a frustrated police man here in this forum...

Ad hominem repetition.

You really suck at this.

I may suck at it but still you cant to anything about it...
The forum needs visitor/traffic to earn even if you tag endlessly...
You wont kill them because they bring revenue to this forum...
And you still end up as a frustrated policeman here...

[james.lent]

[trenchflaint]

Even if you are back up by your team from the abusive behavior you are doing...
None of your team can change the fact that even if you make an argument about scammer/ponzi/hyip admins/visitor/players on investor based game or other sub forum here...
Paying a specific amount just to use TOR/VPN to get to this site and continue the what they do to earn money is rule that this forum have...
This forum is generating revenue from them and it will be like that no matter how many accounts you tag...

[Heutenamos]

This forum is generating revenue from them and it will be like that no matter how many accounts you tag...

I may suck at it but still you cant to anything about it...
And you still end up as a frustrated policeman here...

You are kicking right on his asshole.I can smell the frustrated Butttt burr.. burr.. burning 

[whywefight]

Even if you are back up by your team from the abusive behavior you are doing...
None of your team can change the fact that even if you make an argument about scammer/ponzi/hyip admins/visitor/players on investor based game or other sub forum here...
Paying a specific amount just to use TOR/VPN to get to this site and continue the what they do to earn money is rule that this forum have...
This forum is generating revenue from them and it will be like that no matter how many accounts you tag...

You simply dont get it. But its fine. Please go one and tell us that all tor users a scammers. Please do not educate yourself about evil points. Keep me entertained. Thank you

[trenchflaint]

Even if you are back up by your team from the abusive behavior you are doing...
None of your team can change the fact that even if you make an argument about scammer/ponzi/hyip admins/visitor/players on investor based game or other sub forum here...
Paying a specific amount just to use TOR/VPN to get to this site and continue the what they do to earn money is rule that this forum have...
This forum is generating revenue from them and it will be like that no matter how many accounts you tag...

You simply dont get it. But its fine. Please go one and tell us that all tor users a scammers. Please do not educate yourself about evil points. Keep me entertained. Thank you

As part of cryptodevils team ill keep you entertained...
As the fact that it is being used by scammers here TOR/VPN...
And it is legal here because all you need to do is to pay for it which scammer are doing...
Now can you please educate me on what your team mate cryptodevil is saying when he say the that if you join a ponzi/hyip in the investor based game its clearly you are promoting it...
When you cant hide the fact that this forum is taking fee from TOR/VPN user which scammers are using...
Does this entertain you?..
You cant hide the fact that he abused the trust rating by blackmailing people there in investor based game...

[whywefight]

As part of cryptodevils team ill keep you entertained...

I am part of whywefights team, it has exactly one member: me.

As the fact that it is being used by scammers here TOR/VPN...

You have been scammed, because you decided to ignore stickies and warnings that are all over the forum. I guess this is it, we are happy to have a look on it.

And it is legal here because all you need to do is to pay for it which scammer are doing...

Evilpoints were invented to make sure people have at least some intetntion of using the forum. Its just a few cents, it is not done to keep scammers away. I bet my ass of we have more scammers on here that didnt have to pay. Your logic doesnt work.

Now can you please educate me on what your team mate cryptodevil is saying when he say the that if you join a ponzi/hyip in the investor based game its clearly you are promoting it...

No but yes. Posting proof of payout encourages users to join it as they see (or better think) those sites pay. Sooner or later they will stop. Ponzis still exist because everday an idiot comes around and throw his money at it. By "investing" in such ponzi you will end up in looking for other idots investors people that will invest in order to get your own money back. It seems you need some education about how ponzis work.

When you cant hide the fact that this forum is taking fee from TOR/VPN user which scammers are using...

TOR and/or VPN are used for privacy reasons and of course they are used by scammer. I dont see you moan about the free registraion that is used by scammers too. Your logic doesnt work.

Does this entertain you?..

Your lack of understaning makes me cry.

You cant hide the fact that he abused the trust rating by blackmailing people there in investor based game...

Please look up the meaning of "abuse" and "blackmailing". If i look at my own ratings 90% are newbie (throwaway) accounts. Only a few are more veteran members. At least the older ones should now.

If you decide to throw your money out of the windows, please do so. But stop dragging others in by suggesting to "invest" in a running system.

[trenchflaint]

Now can you please educate me on what your team mate cryptodevil is saying when he say the that if you join a ponzi/hyip in the investor based game its clearly you are promoting it...
When you cant hide the fact that this forum is taking fee from TOR/VPN user which scammers are using...

No but yes. Posting proof of payout encourages users to join it as they see (or better think) those sites pay. Sooner or later they will stop. Ponzis still exist because everday an idiot comes around and throw his money at it. By "investing" in such ponzi you will end up in looking for other idots investors people that will invest in order to get your own money back. It seems you need some education about how ponzis work.

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Please look up the meaning of "abuse" and "blackmailing". If i look at my own ratings 90% are newbie (throwaway) accounts. Only a few are more veteran members. At least the older ones should now.

If you decide to throw your money out of the windows, please do so. But stop dragging others in by suggesting to "invest" in a running system.

Its not about newbie or veteran or whatever account you at...
Yes we have our own free will and no own can force us do to what we do with our money that is not the lending section thats the gambling section...
Maybe you would like to change the sub forum "Investor based game" to a new one...


It still doesnt change the fact that cryptodevil abused the trust system by the use of blackmailing through his PSA...

[cryptodevil]

It still doesnt change the fact that cryptodevil abused the trust system by the use of blackmailing through his PSA...

Hello dumbfuck, please go google the meaning of the word 'blackmail' and explain how I am profiting from introducing a consequence to user participation in ponzi threads.

Then, once you realise you can't, kindly go fuck yourself.

[trenchflaint]

It still doesnt change the fact that cryptodevil abused the trust system by the use of blackmailing through his PSA...

Hello dumbfuck, please go google the meaning of the word 'blackmail' and explain how I am profiting from introducing a consequence to user participation in ponzi threads.

Then, once you realise you can't, kindly go fuck yourself.

Hello there cryptodevil...

Would you mind answering this question...


Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

[cryptodevil]

What you actually mean when you ask,

Would you mind answering this question...

Is, "Would you mind answering this irrelevant red herring question because I have absolutely no concept of logical fallacy and fail at intellectual honesty".

Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Prove that everybody who exits a TOR/VPN point at a previously marked IP is a scammer then I'll answer whether taking money from users who opt to pay the fee in order to use this forum under those conditions is tantamount to collaborating with scammers.

You clearly believe yourself to be significantly smarter than your words are proving you to be. Please, go and read this book and, once you understand about critical thinking and objective argument, report back and acknowledge that, so far in this discussion, you have displayed none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_and_Crooked_Thinking

[trenchflaint]

Quote from: trenchflaint on Today at 04:13:23 PM
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Prove that everybody who exits a TOR/VPN point at a previously marked IP is a scammer then I'll answer whether taking money from users who opt to pay the fee in order to use this forum under those conditions is tantamount to collaborating with scammers.

Still you didnt answer the question,you just asked another question...

Im just basing my question to the fact that this forum is taking a fee from scammers...

Again,do you mind answering the question?..

[cryptodevil]

Im just basing my question to the fact that this forum is taking a fee from scammers...

Again,do you mind answering the question?..

No, you are not basing your question on a fact, you are basing it on an unsupported assumption and demanding that it be treated as proven fact.

[trenchflaint]

Im just basing my question to the fact that this forum is taking a fee from scammers...

Again,do you mind answering the question?..

No, you are not basing your question on a fact, you are basing it on an unsupported assumption and demanding that it be treated as proven fact.

Yes it is a fact its not unsupported assumption...
How did you ever get to your position without knowing that?..

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

[cryptodevil]

Yes it is a fact its not unsupported assumption...
How did you ever get to your position without knowing that?..

Just as much as you *know* it to be a fact, I *know* it to be false. So, how do you think we should proceed from this point in?

*raises hand*
I know! I know!

How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

[trenchflaint]

Yes it is a fact its not unsupported assumption...
How did you ever get to your position without knowing that?..

Just as much as you *know* it to be a fact, I *know* it to be false. So, how do you think we should proceed from this point in?

*raises hand*
I know! I know!

How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

Still you didnt answer the question,you just asked another question...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

[cryptodevil]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

[trenchflaint]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

[Your Point Is Invalid]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

[trenchflaint]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...


I would like to go back to the said question...

[cryptodevil]

I would like to go back to the said question...

Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

[trenchflaint]

I would like to go back to the said question...

Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

Sorry if i suck at this...

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

[Your Point Is Invalid]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...


I would like to go back to the said question...

So all spammers are scammers?

[trenchflaint]

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Still you didnt answer the question,you clearly trying to save yourself and blindedly not accepting the fact that scammers are using TOR/VPN to do their deeds here...

Again,would you mind answering the question and lets stick to that question...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

The forum uses the fee to stop people from spamming and creating multiple accounts for spamming, it has nothing to do with scamming

Spamming is connected to scamming when it comes to signature campaign and other services...
And spamming your own thread that you are offering a good service is also a scam to make it look legit...


I would like to go back to the said question...

So all spammers are scammers?

Why would you even spam?..

Please i would like to go back to the question stated...

[cryptodevil]

Please i would like to go back to the question stated...

Yes, we *know* you believe it to be the most awesome claim of 'fact' ever. Trouble is, you keep ignoring all the evidence being presented to you which clearly explains why you are mistaken.

If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

You *do* know, right, that some people access this forum from oppressive regimes where a direct link is blocked? So they have to use TOR.

You *do* know this, right?

Please tell me you aren't so fucking moronic as you are repeatedly proving yourself to be.

[trenchflaint]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...

If you access BCT through TOR, you will probably get the same message. It doesn't mean you're a scammer, it means the IP of the exit point you are accessing the forum through has been flagged for previous dodgy behaviour. Should all users be banned from using BCT if they unfortunately come from the same IP address as a scammer?

Besides, the point is still moot as highlighting the untrustworthy behaviour of others does not assuage your own. This argument point is thus rendered invalid.

Prove that everybody who exits a TOR/VPN point at a previously marked IP is a scammer then I'll answer whether taking money from users who opt to pay the fee in order to use this forum under those conditions is tantamount to collaborating with scammers.

You clearly believe yourself to be significantly smarter than your words are proving you to be. Please, go and read this book and, once you understand about critical thinking and objective argument, report back and acknowledge that, so far in this discussion, you have displayed none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_and_Crooked_Thinking

No, you are not basing your question on a fact, you are basing it on an unsupported assumption and demanding that it be treated as proven fact.

How about you actually offer up some fucking evidence for your baseless assumption? You claim that ALL people who encounter the message that their IP has been flagged as previously being involved in wrongdoing are also scammers, yes? Prove it.

(Hint: You know how I *know* your claim is utter bullshit? Cos I've paid that fee before when circumstances caused me to have to ask a discrete question through a TOR connection without anybody knowing who I was and I know I wasn't scamming anyone. So, you know fuck you and your stupid assumptions)

Repeating the same bullshit assumption over and over doesn't make it any less of the bullshit assumption it is.

I've logically explained why your bullshit assumption is false, now you have to try and prove why it is not. You will fail.

Yeah, we know.

Trouble is, even in the face of proof that your assumption is not proven fact, you keep repeating it as though it were.

You *really* suck at this.

You *do* know, right, that some people access this forum from oppressive regimes where a direct link is blocked? So they have to use TOR.

You *do* know this, right?

Please tell me you aren't so fucking moronic as you are repeatedly proving yourself to be.

Now please educate me...
Which one of your answer stated above answer the question?..
Your are clearly denying the fact here to save yourself by blindly and accepting the fact...

Now please can you educate me...

[shorena]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

[trenchflaint]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

[shorena]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

[trenchflaint]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...
Am i wrong about this?..

[cryptodevil]

Please educate me...

You are not interested in being educated, so stop lying. Every single one of your fallacious arguments has been proven, actually proven, to be the fallacy it is yet you continue to keep on desperately clinging to this idea that your claimed 'fact' is absolutely solid solely because you say it is.

I'm starting to think you've got some sort of Asperger-like personality disorder. Nobody could be that fucking insistent that proven facts are to be dismissed and false assertions accepted as proven fact.

[shorena]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...

An example is not a fact.

Am i wrong about this?..

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

[trenchflaint]

The Question was...

Please educate me more...
Isnt taking a fee from scammer to use TOR/VPN to do their deeds here a direct cooperation to the said scam...

Your answer were...
-snip-
Now please can you educate me...

Evil points are not given to scammers[1], as scams are not against the forum rules. Evil points are given to spammers. Your assumption is false.

[1] obviously the points are not give to accounts or persons, but the IP addresses they used at the time as well as their network range.

Please educate me...

Lets say i want to open a thread,lets say a HYIP/Ponzi,then i bought an account here and also created some new accounts...
As i use TOR/VPN(as the IP addresses i used is flagged) so i payed for it to do my deeds here and my intention is to scam people here,now i spam my thread to gain money from unexpected victim...
Can my assumption be false?..

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Please educate me...
I didnt say that it was the only route...
I just set an example on how they do it and thats a fact...

An example is not a fact.

Am i wrong about this?..

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

Please educate me...

Ill show you some example which are facts...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=161609
That is a bought account who runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334627.0

This one too...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73702
Which runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1351885.0

And this one...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=363314
Who runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365423

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Let me clear it for you...
I didnt say that i assume that its the only way,i just showed you ways how they do it...

Please educate me...

[shorena]

-snip-
Please educate me...

Is there a particular reason you keep repeating that phrase?

Ill show you some example which are facts...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=161609
That is a bought account who runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334627.0

This one too...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73702
Which runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1351885.0

And this one...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=363314
Who runs this...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365423

Did they paid the fee for a proxy ban? You just pulled 3 ponzi operators out of (I guess my rating history).

I dont know, I dont understand what you are trying to say. I told you what I understood and you said "I didnt say that". So please, rephrase your "fact" clearly.

What? Speak clearly, it sounds like you assume the only route to scam people is to spam.

Let me clear it for you...
I didnt say that i assume that its the only way,i just showed you ways how they do it...

Please educate me...

No, you did not. But lets just assume they create a new account to created a ponzi afterwards. That ponzi would fail and they scammed people. What does that have to do with whether or not they create an account over an IP and had to pay a fee to lift a proxy ban?