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March 03, 2016, 09:12:42 AM
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One factor is what the media would show. Some politicians would tend to tell other side of an event to give more positive view on whatever they did. Voters on the other hand would want to hear something that can benefit them in the easiest ways. Some voters would go in to the detail on the background and attitudes of a person towards an event.
Obviously,  you are right.. and voters must go into detail about favourite candidate to decide whether they are liar or not..
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March 03, 2016, 10:38:57 AM
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I'm British, but it's precisely because I'm British I understand how the Americans feel, here in Yorkshire we absolutely hate the smug pricks that run our country and tell us how to live, everybody in the North hates these disgusing socialites that think the world revolves around them.

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I meant the OP, sorry.

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Indeed!
It seems like we're more or less opponents on pretty much everything xD

I'm French. I'm a rather young male in the engineering field. I'm a freaking convinced Socialist! Which makes me really angry when you and Spendulus say I'm a "fucking liberal" cause damned no I'm no liberal! Liberals are ugly righty pricks Tongue

Funny really how what you call "lefties" are representing the right wing of our political horizon in France ^^

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March 03, 2016, 10:41:12 AM
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Here is why people vote for a liar.

In America, television is king. People come home from work or school and sit down and watch TV. They watch while they eat dinner. They watch when they go to bed, and they fall asleep listening to TV. Some people even watch TV at work.

Now, tell me. How much of TV is the truth? The weatherman lies all the time about the weather. All the movies, and many of the documentaries are simply acting - no or little truth. People narrating documentaries often lie about what is being shown. The evening or morning news is packed full of lies. In fact, only a tiny bit of truth is ever found on TV.

Television is the American past time. There isn't much of anything else to do in the big cities where millions of Americans live. So, Americans watch TV, and learn to love lies.

Since Americans love lies from watching TV, who are they going to vote for? Aren't they going to vote for the person who does the thing that they love the most? Aren't they going to vote for the person who tells the biggest and most lies?

Do you want to win in politics? Forget solving hunger in America. Forget fighting for the cure for cancer. Forget curing the financial woes of America. Forget about the Middle East. What should you do to win? Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And then lie some more. The American people will love you, and if you don't win, you will come close.

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Well Ok it seems rather logical.

I didn't know TV had so much power in USA.

In France during election candidates have exactly the same time on TV or radio. It's forbiden by the law to see one candidate having less TV time than the others exactly to avoid having one candidate seens everywhere while the others are ignored!

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March 03, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
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Here are the profiles of Sanders and Trump on Politifact.

Tell me just one thing you Trumpers, how do you justify that nearly 80% of what Trump says is at least mostly false?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Is there any justification for that?

Looking through a number of those, I don't think they are realistic assessments of "true or false."

Not in the least.

You don't approve the way they check the facts?

I'm not perfectly aware of American politics and news so I'm probably less well informed. But I relaly like how it's done. They're rather harsh on notation that's for sure!

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March 03, 2016, 05:36:01 PM
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Here is why people vote for a liar.

In America, television is king. People come home from work or school and sit down and watch TV. They watch while they eat dinner. They watch when they go to bed, and they fall asleep listening to TV. Some people even watch TV at work.

Now, tell me. How much of TV is the truth? The weatherman lies all the time about the weather. All the movies, and many of the documentaries are simply acting - no or little truth. People narrating documentaries often lie about what is being shown. The evening or morning news is packed full of lies. In fact, only a tiny bit of truth is ever found on TV.

Television is the American past time. There isn't much of anything else to do in the big cities where millions of Americans live. So, Americans watch TV, and learn to love lies.

Since Americans love lies from watching TV, who are they going to vote for? Aren't they going to vote for the person who does the thing that they love the most? Aren't they going to vote for the person who tells the biggest and most lies?

Do you want to win in politics? Forget solving hunger in America. Forget fighting for the cure for cancer. Forget curing the financial woes of America. Forget about the Middle East. What should you do to win? Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And then lie some more. The American people will love you, and if you don't win, you will come close.

Cool

Well Ok it seems rather logical.

I didn't know TV had so much power in USA.

In France during election candidates have exactly the same time on TV or radio. It's forbiden by the law to see one candidate having less TV time than the others exactly to avoid having one candidate seens everywhere while the others are ignored!

The point isn't how much TV time the candidates have. The point is how much TV time the people have between elections.

The point is this. TV is more than 99% lies. People watch TV. People love TV. People love lies.

Then, when election time comes, people still love lies. All candidates lie. That's why people listen to and watch the candidates. People love lies. People love the candidate that lies the most.

Cool
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March 03, 2016, 05:43:21 PM
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People do not wish to vote for the liar, its just that they get carried away by this person's promise during campaign that his promises are worth convincing for the crowd to believe. This is the main problem that countries are facing right now. People should be educated to research for the person's profile and history to be sure of his promise. Make even survey is a good way of knowing the person.

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March 03, 2016, 05:46:30 PM
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People do not wish to vote for the liar, its just that they get carried away by this person's promise during campaign that his promises are worth convincing for the crowd to believe. This is the main problem that countries are facing right now. People should be educated to research for the person's profile and history to be sure of his promise. Make even survey is a good way of knowing the person.

If people educated themselves on the addictive lies that TV is, and how TV is making them into slaves, they would throw their TV out the window and get a life. Same with politics.

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In each campaign are promises who get broken that's the circus around this campaigns.

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March 03, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
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Well, in my opinion, all politicians are liars.
Let's face reality.
Every politician have simple goal, to win election.
In order to do this, he/she have to inspire people to vote for him.
you can't inspire people with cruel reality and truth so you lie.
After elections you try to do something, with more or less success.
When new elections comes you are accusing others for failures and praise yourself for successes.
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The point isn't how much TV time the candidates have. The point is how much TV time the people have between elections.

The point is this. TV is more than 99% lies. People watch TV. People love TV. People love lies.

Then, when election time comes, people still love lies. All candidates lie. That's why people listen to and watch the candidates. People love lies. People love the candidate that lies the most.

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Yeah probably. But it will probably help if there is a total equality between candidates during elections.
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March 07, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
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Here are the profiles of Sanders and Trump on Politifact.

Tell me just one thing you Trumpers, how do you justify that nearly 80% of what Trump says is at least mostly false?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Is there any justification for that?

Looking through a number of those, I don't think they are realistic assessments of "true or false."

Not in the least.

You don't approve the way they check the facts?

I'm not perfectly aware of American politics and news so I'm probably less well informed. But I relaly like how it's done. They're rather harsh on notation that's for sure!
  There really was quite little "fact checking."  Just statements of their far left opinions.
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March 07, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
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I'm British, but it's precisely because I'm British I understand how the Americans feel, here in Yorkshire we absolutely hate the smug pricks that run our country and tell us how to live, everybody in the North hates these disgusing socialites that think the world revolves around them.

 Cheesy

I meant the OP, sorry.

We've been dueling for a while now so I get you.   Smiley




Indeed!
It seems like we're more or less opponents on pretty much everything xD

I'm French. I'm a rather young male in the engineering field. I'm a freaking convinced Socialist! Which makes me really angry when you and Spendulus say I'm a "fucking liberal" cause damned no I'm no liberal! Liberals are ugly righty pricks Tongue

Funny really how what you call "lefties" are representing the right wing of our political horizon in France ^^


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Now... Do you understand why your position is hilarious and why you are a liberal, by US definition, not france's? We do not care how you call yourself. As long as you believe your ex minister has more rights than you. It must be! How come he hasn't been in jail yet? The BBC article is dated 15 April 2013.

French Corruption from the Corrupted French Socialists. They know they have enough useful idiots** like you to keep them out of jail forever...

But do tell us why France never vote for the liars, young engineer...


I invite everyone to use google search the way I did and seek juicy french corruptions for this lesson giver.


**Useful idiots:
http://defeatcommunism.com/profiles/blogs/5467818:BlogPost:61704




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March 07, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
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Here are the profiles of Sanders and Trump on Politifact.

Tell me just one thing you Trumpers, how do you justify that nearly 80% of what Trump says is at least mostly false?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Is there any justification for that?

Looking through a number of those, I don't think they are realistic assessments of "true or false."

Not in the least.

You don't approve the way they check the facts?

I'm not perfectly aware of American politics and news so I'm probably less well informed.
But I relaly like how it's done. They're rather harsh on notation that's for sure!


Another typical, logical perspective from a well informed liberal...

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All people are liars, at least a little bit. If you are going to vote, you will be voting for a liar. No other way to do it.

Since all politicians and candidates are liars, why not recognize who the best liar is? It's simple. Give the people the lies that turn them on the most, and they will vote for you.

People are sick of the Council on Foreign Relations liars. These liars haven't been giving the people anything that they think they want, for decades now.

Up with Trump, the liar who tells the people the things that their hearts lie to them that they want.

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March 07, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
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Politifact is fucking garbage. Go fact check for yourself, don't take the word of professional hitmen.

P.S. John Oliver is not a reputable news outlet, he is a comedian. Try getting your sources from somewhere other than television entertainment media.

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One of the most important characteristics of a leader is honesty and liability, neither if which Drumph has.
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One of the most important characteristics of a leader is honesty and liability, neither if which Drumph has.


Who?


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One of the most important characteristics of a leader is honesty and liability, neither if which Drumph has.
Who?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

A limey socialist comedian does a show on trump and suddenly thousands of brain dead people are acting like they are experts on him.


BTW, did anyone ever stop to think that Tump's ANCESTORS changed their family name, not Donald? How exactly does this reflect on his personal integrity? Here is a hint: it doesn't.

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March 07, 2016, 09:46:20 PM
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One of the most important characteristics of a leader is honesty and liability, neither if which Drumph has.

Liability?

He does not have liability?

So you mean he can't lie.

But he's not honest?

Are you an idiot?
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March 08, 2016, 12:22:05 PM
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Here are the profiles of Sanders and Trump on Politifact.

Tell me just one thing you Trumpers, how do you justify that nearly 80% of what Trump says is at least mostly false?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

Is there any justification for that?

Looking through a number of those, I don't think they are realistic assessments of "true or false."

Not in the least.

You don't approve the way they check the facts?

I'm not perfectly aware of American politics and news so I'm probably less well informed.
But I relaly like how it's done. They're rather harsh on notation that's for sure!


Another typical, logical perspective from a well informed liberal...

 Roll Eyes





I just said I'm not well informed in the general American political life. I don't understand what you mean here.

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