Escrow Partner got tricked

[Lutpin]

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice  
Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Stupid to ditch the bitcointalk account, but continue to use the same payiv account.

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[mexxer-2]

Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Can't be too sure, people can come up with a lot of weird comparison of forum with completely unrelated RL stuff I've seen.

I am on my phone which is horrible with autocorrect plus it automatically zooms into the text field I am typing into so I can't compare what it was corrected to.

Nice excuse 

P.S: Neg for carding left, contacting via PM about the current scam accusation. But truth be told, he seems like a scumbag already

[Quickseller]

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice 
Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Stupid to ditch the bitcointalk account, but continue to use the same payiv account.

Scammers are lazy and don't notice those small details

[SebastianJu]

Merging my posts into one...

amartin99

how do I encrypt my pass anyway ?

With encrypted pass I meant that bitcointalk.org uses an ssl-certificat. You can see that on the url. It has https instead http. Then the browser automatically encrypts the pass and other data when it is sending a, for example, login form to bitcointalk. This way nobody on the way can sniff our the password. Only the forums server can decrypt it again.

no I have some LONG passwords generated by robo forum
some times when im feeling lazy I copy that but leaving out a few letters so as to make it different
when I did a scan of my passwords I found that's where I did here
and used the same pass when joining a couple other things
these other 2 things are large unrelated companies
no way they where fishing sites

encrypting my pass sounds like a good idea

having the forum use SMS confirmation every time our IP changes would be better

I doubt something that would cost the forum (SMS confirmation) or other major changes will be implemented since theymos works on the new forum since some years already.

Guess your password should have benn a unique one then. The hacker must have gotten into your account some time ago before he tried to establish the trade I think.


mexxer2

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

ralobot never reacted on my pm. At the end nobody else is involved. The only other solution would be that amartin99 faked it and the receiving address is actually his own. So that he maybe received the pm. Though that again would have meant amartin99 would have been able to send the receiving address to me through ralobots account. Which doesn't sound likely and ralobot already would have had complained.


xetsr

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

Should be tagged for selling carding methods anyway. Follow the payivy link and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Well, guess I have to think about warning trading partners about red trust of the other trading partner. Though I think normally that should be checked by the trading partner when trying to establish a trade.

Or can it be that you did not know what the red numbers meant, amartin99?


Quickseller

I am on my phone which is horrible with autocorrect plus it automatically zooms into the text field I am typing into so I can't compare what it was corrected to.

Right, if he is selling carded GC then a discussion about giving him a neg might be a moot point as long as it is clear they are carded. However I would not simply take the OPs word that he didn't send the PM in question....otherwise all someone would need to do to get someone negative trust is to setup a small deal with escrow then release escrow prior to receiving the goods.

If ralobot would be the scammed one then it would mean he received either the coins from me or his account was hacked and the pm where he sent me the releasing btc address was sent from the hacker. Which would have been amartin99 then since the pm's contain the quoted texts that no one other has.

And ralobot never complained at all anyway.

[amartin99]

I would be thrilled if ralobot cam in trying to defend himself
love a good argument

honestly I know I looked at his trust rating but don't recall what I saw or thought
but I thought dealing threw an escrow removed all risk (cept for that of charge backs)


as to my proof
Perfect money readout  http://prntscr.com/ab8rxe
Skrill readout http://prntscr.com/ab8sm0
if he wants to claim he sent me money let him try
as you can clearly see I have received no large payments


sounds like my password is already being intercepted
I think best thing is to establish a second level of security with the escrow next time
maybe in skype
or if they don't like that I can simply tell him ill post an image of the payment made ot me so he knows for sure it really has arived
that may be the simplest way


is it possible for me to get some sort of positive feed back over this to start and show I am completing my end of deals
it's like pulling teeth trying to improve my trust rating here
this is the third person I have completed my end of the deal and not gotten any feedback for it

[SebastianJu]

is it possible for me to get some sort of positive feed back over this to start and show I am completing my end of deals
it's like pulling teeth trying to improve my trust rating here
this is the third person I have completed my end of the deal and not gotten any feedback for it

You should not try getting actively trust. It could be seen as buying trust or something. The trustsystem is for when someone made a deal with you. Though mostly you will only get green trust from people not on default trust because people on default trust are cautious who they say are trustworthy. They need to.

When I escrow I can't give green trust for that since I did not risk anything. Well, the last part might be up for discussion when checking the thread I post this in.

[amartin99]

well I paid out $270 in a non disputable currency with no way to take it back
if that is not being "trustworthy" then perhaps I need someone to explain what the word means
because it seems to me keeping ones word is the vary definition of trustworthy

[amartin99]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway

like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

[SebastianJu]

well I paid out $270 in a non disputable currency with no way to take it back
if that is not being "trustworthy" then perhaps I need someone to explain what the word means
because it seems to me keeping ones word is the vary definition of trustworthy

Well then everyone using bitcoin somehow would need to get a lot of trust.

But the trust system is a point of much many discussions on bitcointalk. I only wanted to warn you that you can get in trouble if you try to buy trust or similar. People doing so already received red trust.

Just check out the forum to find out how things work.

I don't know exactly what the numbers mean, there was a thread about it, but green trust is always good, red trust is always bad. Besides that you can only get these trust from people on default trust, which makes it seldom to get. All people not on default trust would give you untrusted feedback, which you can see when you click on the link in the peoples trust ratings.

[amartin99]

your the second person to use that phrase (buying trust)
it kinda pisses me off actually
how is wanting what I have done to be acknowledged trying to buy trust
it's not like im offering people some $ for feedback and nothing more
this makes no sense to me at all

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

[Lutpin]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway
like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

You can read more about it here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
tl;dr: one positive trust rating (mexxer has 5 of those, positive ratings from trusted users, that's the last number) "ages" up to 10 points over time, mexxer currently is at 16 out of 50 (that's the first number).
The -0 in the middle would be the number of (trusted) users who have left a negative rating to him, or in this case didn't because the number is 0.

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

When they have done a trade with you and think you are trustworthy, they might leave a feedback for you or not, it's their decission after all.
But none of us here did a trade with you, hence complaining in this thread wouldn't bring you any further.

[amartin99]

I had notesed the (trusted feedback) listing
started seeing it after I got my first/only feedback
thought it had something to do with him (a groop of people he was part of) and added cause I had left him positive feedback

sounds like your saying the trusted people grouping has nothing to do with our activity or choices but with theirs ?
also sounds like your saying no amount of positive feedback from people not in the trusted group would effect my score ?

[amartin99]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway
like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

You can read more about it here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
tl;dr: one positive trust rating (mexxer has 5 of those, positive ratings from trusted users, that's the last number) "ages" up to 10 points over time, mexxer currently is at 16 out of 50 (that's the first number).
The -0 in the middle would be the number of (trusted) users who have left a negative rating to him, or in this case didn't because the number is 0.

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

When they have done a trade with you and think you are trustworthy, they might leave a feedback for you or not, it's their decission after all.
But none of us here did a trade with you, hence complaining in this thread wouldn't bring you any further.

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback
somehow I don't think asking him to give me feedback now after I have reported him would be a vary good idea hehehehe

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

[Lutpin]

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback

Let me tell you, feedback from an account being that deep in red isn't worth much, you might aswell have no feedback at all.

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

Negatives strike harder than positives (which only age slowly on top of it).

[amartin99]

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback

Let me tell you, feedback from an account being that deep in red isn't worth much, you might aswell have no feedback at all.

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

Negatives strike harder than positives (which only age slowly on top of it).

yea I wouldn't expect  positive feed back from robo to be worth anything now hehehe

so how dose someones trust score get above 0 ?
I just realized the first guy I delt with is more then a year here 2800 posts and still at 0
2800 posts and his trust rank hasn't moved either good or bad
how can that even be possible

[Lutpin]

so how dose someones trust score get above 0 ?

With positive feedback from someone you trust (either by your settings or by default settings).

2800 posts and his trust rank hasn't moved either good or bad
how can that even be possible

Quite easy.
Maybe he didn't have any trades before, maybe all his trades were with "untrusted" users.
Maybe he had trades with trusted users, but didn't get any feedback from them.
Maybe,...the list continues.


Since this is getting quite off-topic from the initial scam accusation, I'd suggest you to go through the FAQ threads
here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1259439.0
and here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
aswell as the collection by shorena -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1217042.0
before we take this further away from the initial puropse.

[amartin99]

are you saying I can add someone to my trusted list then get feedback from him and have it increase my trust rating ?
sounds like a good way to get banned

[FriendlyChemist]

The scammer was very clever i think , he had planned all from very first when he talked to OP.
I am much shocked seeing Seb getting tricked , i suggest now a [signed message]*1 before releasing escrow.

cons: it will find newbie a lot of difficulties in learning[1] this and deploying into action.

[amartin99]

I have no idea how [signed message] works
but I am convinced if the escrow simply requires to be shown a screen shot of the payment
it will be nearly impossible for such a scam to work again

[FriendlyChemist]

I have no idea how [signed message] works
but I am convinced if the escrow simply requires to be shown a screen shot of the payment
it will be nearly impossible for such a scam to work again

well , whatever but i will suggest you to learn how to sign message as in worst case it is only way to prove your ownership on some digital stuffs.
Good Day.