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This is what most of us would like to see.
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January 25, 2013, 07:50:40 PM
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Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.
In smoothie's defense, paying people a large sum of money just to socialize is usually associated with prostitution.

Your analogy can go that way as well. Wink

Also, no harm intended. I hope the conference is enjoyable.

No harm taken, the analogy just totally doesn't make sense and suggests a highly limited view of the world, or not a lot of forethought put into what you're saying.  It makes as much sense as saying that becoming a parent is usually associated with prostitution.
I concede your point.
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January 25, 2013, 08:06:34 PM
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Cause according to DeathAndTaxes we are too poor and greedy to go (which he edited out of his statement) that is why it is only for the elitist of the bitcoin world.

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January 25, 2013, 08:23:49 PM
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You missed the point.  THERE ARE LARGE FIXED COSTS TO HOSTING A CONFERENCE.  The Bitcoin conference is likely going to be smaller than the 11th annual Embedded Linux conference.  Check back in 10 years likely the per person costs will be lower.  Conferences are expensive to host.  At $300 per person even with 1000 attendees the Foundation is unlikely to make more than a token profit.
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January 25, 2013, 08:24:44 PM
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Cause according to DeathAndTaxes we are too poor and greedy to go (which he edited out of his statement) that is why it is only for the elitist of the bitcoin world.
You mention greedy. That's a good point. Would a true bitcoin enthusiast rather have $300 in bitcoins or pay $300 for a ticket to a conference?
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January 25, 2013, 09:51:01 PM
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You missed the point.  THERE ARE LARGE FIXED COSTS TO HOSTING A CONFERENCE.  The Bitcoin conference is likely going to be smaller than the 11th annual Embedded Linux conference.  Check back in 10 years likely the per person costs will be lower.  Conferences are expensive to host.  At $300 per person even with 1000 attendees the Foundation is unlikely to make more than a token profit.

There is a bell curve to pricing that maximizes revenue (which varies per event and group of course).  I can tell you that $300 a person is NOT the best price on that curve.  I know a number of people who would go for $100 but at $300 excludes a great deal of the community. 

While there was a huge troll war about the NYC convention, that appeared to have the greatest turnout, brought together a huge number of people who formed ventures or worked together and had the most number of vendors.  Pricing was much lower despite being in a more expensive city.  While the convention could have used more space, raising the price to $100 would have EASILY covered that. 

One idea would be to break out some of the panel discussions and the meals as an option.  Meals at considerable cost.   


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January 25, 2013, 10:10:25 PM
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My first thought was that DefCon is like $120 these days.  But it has been around forever, is huge, and has massive corporate sponsorship (in the form of blackhat).

I should know within a couple of weeks whether or not I'm going.  The sticky point for me isn't the admission cost, so much as scheduling.

Oh, and a discount for foundation members would have been nice, even a modest one, but I'm a bit biased in that regard.

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January 26, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
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Bought a ticket.

Living in a place where Bitcoin and monetary freedom are exotic concepts, $300 is well spent just for the psychological boost of being physically surrounded by hundreds of people who think the same way as I do.  Almost by definition, most of the attendees and presenters should be interesting people: independent thinkers, enterpreneurs, scammers Wink, etc.  

Based on quite a few tech & financial conferences I've attended in the past (both Bitcoin and non-Bitcoin), I'll predict that for anyone with a significant financial or ideological stake in Bitcoin's success, $300 is a bargain, and attendees should get much more than that $300 worth of value out of this event.  Bitcointalk has a low signal-to-noise ratio, and the conference should provide a much more realistic picture of the (hopefully positive) state of the Bitcoin ecosystem.  

Last September on Bitcointalk, the mood was suicidal, defaults and scams were omnipresent, and the price had just plummeted.  But one or two presentations and conversations at the London conference made it clear to me that the future was bright and the right move was to add BTC aggressively.  Profits from those purchases easily covered the plane ticket, lodging, and all other attendance costs.  For anyone investing or speculating in BTC, the sneak peeks that you can get at the conference regarding upcoming services, features, and business deals, is as close as you can get to insider information on the medium-term direction for the BTC price.

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January 26, 2013, 12:22:40 AM
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Put it this way, and it may as well be held in Pattaya Wink

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Says the guy with the boxer porsche...

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January 26, 2013, 12:25:24 AM
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Bought a ticket.

Living in a place where Bitcoin and monetary freedom are exotic concepts, $300 is well spent just for the psychological boost of being physically surrounded by hundreds of people who think the same way as I do.  Almost by definition, most of the attendees and presenters should be interesting people: independent thinkers, enterpreneurs, scammers Wink, etc. 

Based on quite a few tech & financial conferences I've attended in the past (both Bitcoin and non-Bitcoin), I'll predict that for anyone with a significant financial or ideological stake in Bitcoin's success, $300 is a bargain, and attendees should get much more than that $300 worth of value out of this event.  Bitcointalk has a low signal-to-noise ratio, and the conference should provide a much more realistic picture of the (hopefully positive) state of the Bitcoin ecosystem. 

Last September on Bitcointalk, the mood was suicidal, defaults and scams were omnipresent, and the price had just plummeted.  But one or two presentations and conversations at the London conference made it clear to me that the future was bright and the right move was to add BTC aggressively.  Profits from those purchases easily covered the plane ticket, lodging, and all other attendance costs.  For anyone investing or speculating in BTC, the sneak peeks that you can get at the conference regarding upcoming services, features, and business deals, is as close as you can get to insider information on the medium-term direction for the BTC price.

basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js

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January 26, 2013, 12:30:51 AM
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Bought a ticket.

Living in a place where Bitcoin and monetary freedom are exotic concepts, $300 is well spent just for the psychological boost of being physically surrounded by hundreds of people who think the same way as I do.  Almost by definition, most of the attendees and presenters should be interesting people: independent thinkers, enterpreneurs, scammers Wink, etc. 

Based on quite a few tech & financial conferences I've attended in the past (both Bitcoin and non-Bitcoin), I'll predict that for anyone with a significant financial or ideological stake in Bitcoin's success, $300 is a bargain, and attendees should get much more than that $300 worth of value out of this event.  Bitcointalk has a low signal-to-noise ratio, and the conference should provide a much more realistic picture of the (hopefully positive) state of the Bitcoin ecosystem. 

Last September on Bitcointalk, the mood was suicidal, defaults and scams were omnipresent, and the price had just plummeted.  But one or two presentations and conversations at the London conference made it clear to me that the future was bright and the right move was to add BTC aggressively.  Profits from those purchases easily covered the plane ticket, lodging, and all other attendance costs.  For anyone investing or speculating in BTC, the sneak peeks that you can get at the conference regarding upcoming services, features, and business deals, is as close as you can get to insider information on the medium-term direction for the BTC price.

basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js

Sounds like you have not been to a conference before!

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January 26, 2013, 12:41:57 AM
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Bought a ticket.

Living in a place where Bitcoin and monetary freedom are exotic concepts, $300 is well spent just for the psychological boost of being physically surrounded by hundreds of people who think the same way as I do.  Almost by definition, most of the attendees and presenters should be interesting people: independent thinkers, enterpreneurs, scammers Wink, etc.  

Based on quite a few tech & financial conferences I've attended in the past (both Bitcoin and non-Bitcoin), I'll predict that for anyone with a significant financial or ideological stake in Bitcoin's success, $300 is a bargain, and attendees should get much more than that $300 worth of value out of this event.  Bitcointalk has a low signal-to-noise ratio, and the conference should provide a much more realistic picture of the (hopefully positive) state of the Bitcoin ecosystem.  

Last September on Bitcointalk, the mood was suicidal, defaults and scams were omnipresent, and the price had just plummeted.  But one or two presentations and conversations at the London conference made it clear to me that the future was bright and the right move was to add BTC aggressively.  Profits from those purchases easily covered the plane ticket, lodging, and all other attendance costs.  For anyone investing or speculating in BTC, the sneak peeks that you can get at the conference regarding upcoming services, features, and business deals, is as close as you can get to insider information on the medium-term direction for the BTC price.

basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js

Sounds like you have not been to a conference before!

You would be extremely wrong I have been to a lot of conferences. I live pretty close to the convention center in NY it is really easy for me to go. I usually learn a lot from them, but Bitcoin is a different entity, I think it is hard to teach something new to bitcoiners in those areas that they plan to cover. Some of those things they are going to talk about don't even have anything that can be learned for veteran bitcoiners, cause they don't have answers. I think talking and debates in the bitcoin communities like irc, here and meetups is the best way to learn. I would argue it is a great way to network, but I mean everyone here is accessible thru skype or irc and I actually been talking to bitcoiners all day today. Plus if you gave the foundation bitcoins, why aren't they using those funds to helping with cost? Why are this not a benefit of the being part of the foundation. I am not seeing the cost meeting the exceptions of what the conference it is overpriced? Do we even know who the talkers are going to be?

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January 26, 2013, 12:44:02 AM
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basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js
May as well nobody ever go to Disneyland since most of the Disney movies are on the Pirate Bay anyway...

Well Disneyland has been changed into a landmark of American society so watching a movie is very different from going to a landmark that has been around for very long time. Also the bitcoin conference is the same thing as the forum just that you see a face and hear a voice...

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January 26, 2013, 12:51:09 AM
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basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js
May as well nobody ever go to Disneyland since most of the Disney movies are on the Pirate Bay anyway...

Well Disneyland has been changed into a landmark of American society so watching a movie is very different from going to a landmark that has been around for very long time. Also the bitcoin conference is the same thing as the forum just that you see a face and hear a voice...

Then simple solution ... don't go.  You have no intention of joining the foundation and no intention on going to a bitcoin conference.  If it serves no purpose then the price doesn't really matter does it.  It would be just as pointless at $10,000 or $10.  So don't go.  Other people will. 

What exactly was your issue again?
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basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js
May as well nobody ever go to Disneyland since most of the Disney movies are on the Pirate Bay anyway...

Well Disneyland has been changed into a landmark of American society so watching a movie is very different from going to a landmark that has been around for very long time. Also the bitcoin conference is the same thing as the forum just that you see a face and hear a voice...

Then simple solution ... don't go.  You have no intention of joining the foundation and no intention on going to a bitcoin conference.  If it serves no purpose then the price doesn't really matter does it.  It would be just as pointless at $10,000 or $10.  So don't go.  Other people will. 

What exactly was your issue again?

Ohh yeah I forgot this is a forum and opinions and questions are not welcomed I guess LMAO I have a lot of issues $300 is a lot of money, I don't care who the hell you (just for reference that is 17.49... BTCs I am using the last price on gox 17.1115 and I make that in a day and a half and I still think it is a lot)... Why isn't the foundations funds being used to cover the cost of the conference? Why is the foundation PR not doing anything to promote it, like half off if you use bitcoins or 25% if your already member?

I am not a member of the foundation but they talk about benefits a great chance to prove me wrong and to really make me think about it... but I guess next year we will see or as you said 10yrs from now we will see.

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January 26, 2013, 01:15:23 AM
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Wait you would pay money for something that was pointless.  You said the conference was completely pointless as one could get everything there from forums.  So if it was $50 you would pay for it knowing it was pointless?

As for the Foundation using foundation funds to pay for part of the conference?  Most foundations don't do that.  Not everyone joining or donating may be interested in a conference.  The Linux foundation has something like 100,000 paid members and conferences they sponsor still have a cost.  Nothing the foundation has done is out of the ordinary. 

If the foundation puts of a good conference it will be worth it even at $300.  If they put on a bad one (and to date everyone conference has been just embarrassing) it won't be worth it even at $0.  How good will this one be? I guess we will find out, I am willing to give them the opportunity (if schedule will allow it). 

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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

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The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.
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yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

I have closed many bitcoin deals on skype so please explain... just cause you don't shakes someone hand doesn't mean anything welcome to the 21st century

Wait you would pay money for something that was pointless.  You said the conference was completely pointless as one could get everything there from forums.  So if it was $50 you would pay for it knowing it was pointless?

As for the Foundation using foundation funds to pay for part of the conference?  Most foundations don't do that.  Not everyone joining or donating may be interested in a conference.  The Linux foundation has something like 100,000 paid members and conferences they sponsor still have a cost.  Nothing the foundation has done is out of the ordinary. 

If the foundation puts of a good conference it will be worth it even at $300.  If they put on a bad one (and to date everyone conference has been just embarrassing) it won't be worth it even at $0.  How good will this one be? I guess we will find out, I am willing to give them the opportunity (if schedule will allow it). 

We are just talking in circles now...

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January 26, 2013, 02:53:06 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin.

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Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.

And smoothie obviously knows about that.
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yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

I have closed many bitcoin deals on skype so please explain... just cause you don't shakes someone hand doesn't mean anything welcome to the 21st century


its a matter of comfort level and percentages.  some of us feel more comfortable assessing risk after having met somebody in person.  it may be fine for you to enter highly risky business deals worth lots of money over Skype but not for me.
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