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January 26, 2013, 05:33:31 AM
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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

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The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.

yes, investing in Bitcoin itself doesn't require trust.  but investing in other ppl when forming business partnerships does.

but lets get back to the point at hand.  conferences can be very helpful at multiple levels and $300, unfortunately, is not an outrageous price.  there is info to be found out speaking to ppl in corners that won't be found out in public forums like this.  pm's, Skype and email can be insecure w/o the proper precautions as you know.

plus, when you get alot of ppl together with like mindset, alot of creativity takes place and deals struck.  it may sound old fashioned but that's how things work.  

otoh, i admit technology is changing things as we speak.


Cypher keep up okay?

Price of conference admission $300.

Price of airfare, lodging, food, .... > $300.

So no it's not cheap.

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January 26, 2013, 06:08:23 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin.

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Bottom line, people are better off keeping their finances and conserving than attending a bitcoin conference.

Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.

And smoothie obviously knows about that.

LOL nice try. But once again you're wrong. I've probably gotten more pie in a week than you get in a lifetime!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Probably, by definition, also means probably not.  And for everyone who has gotten a total of greater than 168 hours of "pie" in their lifetime to date, there is zero possibility of your statement being true.

Regardless, here you are touting your own game and yer LEET skillz in gettin' laid.  Does that mean I too should now be telling you how to spend your own money?  Or that your choice of women is too fancy, or perhaps not fancy enough?  Or that you should be reserving your sexuality strictly for the purpose of procreation?  I didn't think so. So... you know... don't go to the conference and all.  Doesn't sound like you'll enjoy it anyway.  Make sure to tell a naked chick about bitcoins for me though, every little bit counts.

LOL you really sound butt hurt! I guess you now see my point about touting LEET skillz.

 Grin Grin Grin

168 hours = 10080 minutes.

I highy doubt you've gotten with 10,080 pies at your rate of "stamina". trollface.jpg

Good thing you've got bitcoin 10 minute blocks to over compensate for your shortcomings.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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i think the point trying to be made in the last post was that bitcoin conferences are usually just "get together's" of people already in the community.

take the euro conference of 2011 and the london conference of 2012. there was not much outsider involvement, nor much media coverage.

yet. if bitcoiners went to outsider conferences. EG going to technology conventions like CES, or the money2020 it will get more outsiders involved with bitcoin and help grow bitcoin more.

bitcoin conferences are more like tea parties for the community. so they can meet up face to face with people they have only seen before as a forum avatar and username. great for networking with people and so i do hope the main emphasis is on making everyone's business known so that new collaborations / projects are made. and not just for the social tea party scene.

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i think the point trying to be made in the last post was that bitcoin conferences are usually just "get together's" of people already in the community.

take the euro conference of 2011 and the london conference of 2012. there was not much outsider involvement, nor much media coverage.

yet. if bitcoiners went to outsider conferences. EG going to technology conventions like CES, or the money2020 it will get more outsiders involved with bitcoin and help grow bitcoin more.

bitcoin conferences are more like tea parties for the community. so they can meet up face to face with people they have only seen before as a forum avatar and username. great for networking with people and so i do hope the main emphasis is on making everyone's business known so that new collaborations / projects are made. and not just for the social tea party scene.

We know the main point of it is to be a tea party, but when did you go to a tea party and got $300 worth of tea plus have to buy your own table for a lot more than that... This is a tea party for these elitist that want to be snubby, that are show offs and not really helping the community as a whole.

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The fact in itself that a Bitcoin conference is going to be held at a nice venue will most likely make the currency seem more legitimate to a lot of people.

$300 (actually $250 right now) is a very reasonable fee to attend a conference compared to the price of other professional conferences, especially considering the substantial costs involved in hosting the event.

I personally don't think $300 + travel expenses (I'm in Rhode Island) + taking a day or two off work is worth it to attend the conference.  I would probably think differently if I were more involved in Bitcoin and/or if I lived near San Jose.  I also don't understand why people are against a Bitcoin conference.  The Bitcoin foundation should encourage collaboration among the bitcoin community and a conference seems like a great way to do that.  It's pretty obvious that the impact of real-life communication is much more than than of Internet-based communication.  Just because you can communicate ideas via the Internet doesn't make the Internet the best medium for doing so; it's just the most convenient.

I think having a conference is a great idea even though I won't be attending.  If anything it'll give Bitcoin additional press coverage which certainly won't hurt the currency's path to the mainstream, and of course it'll bring together people who are serious enough about Bitcoin to pay for admission + associated fees.

It's amusing that a topic about an official conference for a decentralized global currency has started deteriorating into an argument over frequency and duration of sexual activity... that in itself is proof that the Internet isn't always the best medium for meaningful discussion.
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The fact in itself that a Bitcoin conference is going to be held at a nice venue will most likely make the currency seem more legitimate to a lot of people.

$300 (actually $250 right now) is a very reasonable fee to attend a conference compared to the price of other professional conferences, especially considering the substantial costs involved in hosting the event.

I personally don't think $300 + travel expenses (I'm in Rhode Island) + taking a day or two off work is worth it to attend the conference.  I would probably think differently if I were more involved in Bitcoin and/or if I lived near San Jose.  I also don't understand why people are against a Bitcoin conference.  The Bitcoin foundation should encourage collaboration among the bitcoin community and a conference seems like a great way to do that.  It's pretty obvious that the impact of real-life communication is much more than than of Internet-based communication.  Just because you can communicate ideas via the Internet doesn't make the Internet the best medium for getting ideas across; it's just the most convenient.

I think having a conference is a great idea even though I won't be attending.  If anything it'll give Bitcoin additional press coverage which certainly won't hurt the currency's path to the mainstream, and of course it'll bring together people who are serious enough about Bitcoin to pay for admission + associated fees.

It's amusing that a topic about an official conference for a decentralized global currency has started deteriorating into an argument over frequency and duration of sexual activity... that in itself is proof in itself that the Internet isn't always the best medium for meaningful discussion.


This is such a great point.  Internet communication clearly allows one to hide behind a computer screen and veer a meaningful discussion off into a troll fest.  If you tried this at the conference you'd likely get punched in the face.
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Great point. And idiots like smoothie wouldn't dare show his face and make the same inane comments in public. He adds no value to this board and he certainly adds no value to bitcoin. And he probably knows it which is why he continues to troll this and every other thread he comes across. Op you should just lock this thread now and the rest of us can enjoy thoughtful and intelligent conversation at the conference.
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1. If I'm a normal bitcoin user I'm not going to the conference to get PRESS COVERAGE. Keep in mind it's not all about the big players in bitcoin....or is it? lol (if so, my point is proven). These conferences as Max Keiser kind of put it is to garner new users, not for the bitcoin ELITE to jerk each other off. We all know how that went with Nefario for example eh? lol (Pay $300+ for a conference to listen to a jackass talk who doesn't know what the word "Arbitrage" means all the while touting his leet skillz with GLBSE).
Read what I wrote. The organization/material is a way to:

1. Get individual people to meet each other.
2. Get press coverage for Bitcoin.

I didn't say anything about getting press coverage for individual people (that too plays a role for some people).

Once again, the $250 fee is insignificant compared to the ~$3000 many people will have to pay for flights, hotels and time. The conference is for people who are willing to pay the latter, call it elitism if you want.

2. In order to successfully network with others one does not NEED to meet someone in person. That's why we have technology. I mean if that was the case that we overlooked technology why not just snail mail your wallet.dat file on a flash drive to the furthest most point from you in the world to transfer bitcoins? lol
And yet snail mail still exists, and it's not going away any time soon. Some things you can send over email, some you can't.

Of course you can do stuff without meeting people, but you can do more and better with meeting them. It's another tool in your arsenal which complements the others.


While there was a huge troll war about the NYC convention, that appeared to have the greatest turnout
That's factually incorrect, NYC had the smallest turnout by a large gap.

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Meni,

Whe do you bother responding to these idiots.

Buy the way.  Thanks for that recent, short simple presentation on mining.  Very clear and helpful for the uninitiated.

Looking forward to meeting you at the conference. (are you presenting??).
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Are you presenting at the conference.  I think if you cared to share you could present a very unique perspective based on your experience thus far.  Or at least you should sit on a panel. 
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Whe do you bother responding to these idiots.
Duty calls.

Seriously though I prefer to give people a chance and wait a bit before disengaging.

Buy the way.  Thanks for that recent, short simple presentation on mining.  Very clear and helpful for the uninitiated.
Thanks. I've been meaning to give such a presentation for a while, eventually I wrote it for the occasion of the Tel Aviv Bitcoin Meetup January 2013.

Looking forward to meeting you at the conference. (are you presenting??).
I hope so.

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My sincerest apologies for my crude comments in this thread. I hope the conference is very productive.
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Apology accepted.

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Meni,

Whe do you bother responding to these idiots.

Buy the way.  Thanks for that recent, short simple presentation on mining.  Very clear and helpful for the uninitiated.

Looking forward to meeting you at the conference. (are you presenting??).

yes, i liked the mining presentation as well.  learned another applicable word to Bitcoin to help describe it:  "Synchronization".
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Whe do you bother responding to these idiots.

Buy the way.  Thanks for that recent, short simple presentation on mining.  Very clear and helpful for the uninitiated.

Looking forward to meeting you at the conference. (are you presenting??).

yes, i liked the mining presentation as well.  learned another applicable word to Bitcoin to help describe it:  "Synchronization".
Yeah. The crux of the matter is that to prevent double-spending, all we need is to set an ordering on the transactions - only the first of a conflicting pair would be valid. With multiple peers the transactions are inherently asynchronous. A central server can easily put an ordering on the transactions based on the order it received them, and all nodes submit to its authority. With Bitcoin, PoW acts as a synchronization signal all nodes can observe, setting an ordered history they can agree on.

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With Bitcoin, PoW acts as a synchronization signal all nodes can observe, setting an ordered history they can agree on.

Now write that in laymen's terms...
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Great point. And idiots like smoothie wouldn't dare show his face and make the same inane comments in public. He adds no value to this board and he certainly adds no value to bitcoin. And he probably knows it which is why he continues to troll this and every other thread he comes across. Op you should just lock this thread now and the rest of us can enjoy thoughtful and intelligent conversation at the conference.

I love how when people disagree with someone or a thing, they are instantly labeled a troll or an idiot. Dude like seriously we shown our points and they are not spammy or trolling one bit. Actually Casascius was being a troll, and starting saying shit about porn which had no baring on this thread. Sorry we disagree, we forget this a forum and if you don't suck the dick of foundation or pro bitcoin events, your a troll. This forum is a bunch of elitist and these are the people that will fail and hinder bitcoin's growth into mainstream world.

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Are you presenting at the conference.  I think if you cared to share you could present a very unique perspective based on your experience thus far.  Or at least you should sit on a panel. 

What would he be presenting?

"I buy bitcoins at cheaper than the market price and I sell them above the market price. Do what I do and copy my LEET skillz"

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Mitty

Great point. And idiots like smoothie wouldn't dare show his face and make the same inane comments in public. He adds no value to this board and he certainly adds no value to bitcoin. And he probably knows it which is why he continues to troll this and every other thread he comes across. Op you should just lock this thread now and the rest of us can enjoy thoughtful and intelligent conversation at the conference.

I love how when people disagree with someone or a thing, they are instantly labeled a troll or an idiot. Dude like seriously we shown our points and they are not spammy or trolling one bit. Actually Casascius was being a troll, and starting saying shit about porn which had no baring on this thread. Sorry we disagree, we forget this a forum and if you don't suck the dick of foundation or pro bitcoin events, your a troll. This forum is a bunch of elitist and these are the people that will fail and hinder bitcoin's growth into mainstream world.

gweedo,

It's ok to disagree,  real "debates" are the best part of this forum.  Unfortunately when you "disagree" it comes off and very dismissive and combative.  Or maybe first impressions really don't wear off.    (Do you remember when I posted that I was not entering my submission in the MintChip challange.  You went all road rage on me.)

But frankly my comments were specifically directed at Smoothie.  Notice his dark orange ignore button and every thread he contributes essentially becomes a train wreck.


(smoothie, the depth of your ignorance obviously knows no bounds)


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January 26, 2013, 08:04:20 PM
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Mitty

Great point. And idiots like smoothie wouldn't dare show his face and make the same inane comments in public. He adds no value to this board and he certainly adds no value to bitcoin. And he probably knows it which is why he continues to troll this and every other thread he comes across. Op you should just lock this thread now and the rest of us can enjoy thoughtful and intelligent conversation at the conference.

1. Good job not pointing out that Casascius was the source of the trolling in this thread. But because he agrees with you, he is not a "TROLL" right? lol

2. Obviously i'm not going to pay $300 plus the thousands of $'s for all other expenses to go to a conference to see guys like you and Casascius jerk each other off and then call people trolls because they don't agree with you? I've made my points pretty clear and obviously that must have struck a nerve given how BUTT HURT Casascius got half-way through the thread, then got owned/bitch slapped when he attempted to be witty in a troll-like way.

3. When you say "Thoughtful" and "Intelligent", it really means "cock suck" and "mind fuck".

4. Aww "idiot"? Sticks and stonez...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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