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January 26, 2013, 04:16:36 AM
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yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

I have closed many bitcoin deals on skype so please explain... just cause you don't shakes someone hand doesn't mean anything welcome to the 21st century


its a matter of comfort level and percentages.  some of us feel more comfortable assessing risk after having met somebody in person.  it may be fine for you to enter highly risky business deals worth lots of money over Skype but not for me.

That is where lawyers come into play Wink If you don't use any lawyers then I see your worry but honestly there is no reason every business deal that could make or break you isn't done with a lawyer in the bitcoin world.

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January 26, 2013, 04:26:11 AM
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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

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The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

1. If I'm a normal bitcoin user I'm not going to the conference to get PRESS COVERAGE. Keep in mind it's not all about the big players in bitcoin....or is it? lol (if so, my point is proven). These conferences as Max Keiser kind of put it is to garner new users, not for the bitcoin ELITE to jerk each other off. We all know how that went with Nefario for example eh? lol (Pay $300+ for a conference to listen to a jackass talk who doesn't know what the word "Arbitrage" means all the while touting his leet skillz with GLBSE).

2. In order to successfully network with others one does not NEED to meet someone in person. That's why we have technology. I mean if that was the case that we overlooked technology why not just snail mail your wallet.dat file on a flash drive to the furthest most point from you in the world to transfer bitcoins? lol

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January 26, 2013, 04:28:26 AM
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I propose a competition for the conference: "Spot the fed"

Isn't that what they usually do at defcon ?

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January 26, 2013, 04:29:04 AM
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Conferences usually are about making new (business) connections, and that's something that's very difficult to put a price on.

Okay then they should make it exclusive like how they kind of do with the bitcoin foundation. "pay us and you have a say"...."pay us more and you have even more of a say".

Ohh and you can make new business connections via social media and what we call the internet.

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January 26, 2013, 04:34:10 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin.

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Bottom line, people are better off keeping their finances and conserving than attending a bitcoin conference.

Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.

Okay right. "Let's take attendees monies to promote our businesses that deal in bitcoin"? I'm sure you all are there for the greater good of bitcoin and NOT to turn a profit some how.

My second comment was for the average bitcoin users. You who have gazillions of bitcoins by all means go for it. And that is hardly an analogy when you don't take into account the entire market of bitcoin users to date. Not everyone has social skills (yes we are talking about many geeks) who prefer to keep to themselves and meet and network on the internet. Once again you left out the fact that not all people do what it is you think is "normal" to do in your pretty analogy.  Cheesy

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January 26, 2013, 04:35:09 AM
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yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

I have closed many bitcoin deals on skype so please explain... just cause you don't shakes someone hand doesn't mean anything welcome to the 21st century


its a matter of comfort level and percentages.  some of us feel more comfortable assessing risk after having met somebody in person.  it may be fine for you to enter highly risky business deals worth lots of money over Skype but not for me.

That is where lawyers come into play Wink If you don't use any lawyers then I see your worry but honestly there is no reason every business deal that could make or break you isn't done with a lawyer in the bitcoin world.

what i'm saying has nothing to do with lawyers.  in fact, it shouldn't.  they are probably the worst ones to rely solely upon to assess partnering up with another Bitcoiner as they have a vested interest in constructing a complex deal in terms of fees.

no, the best person to assess the risk of a business partnership is you in a face to face meeting with the potential partner.  i'm not talking about small stuff like most of the businesses around here; i'm talking about real businesses involving substantial amounts of money.  integrity assessment requires multiple sources of input over time.
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January 26, 2013, 04:36:05 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin.

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Bottom line, people are better off keeping their finances and conserving than attending a bitcoin conference.

Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.
In smoothie's defense, paying people a large sum of money just to socialize is usually associated with prostitution.

Your analogy can go that way as well. Wink

Also, no harm intended. I hope the conference is enjoyable.

Dates = Prostitution to Casasius? lol

Missed that part of the market in his statement as well. Perhaps he overlooked it.  Cheesy

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January 26, 2013, 04:37:06 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin. 

But if people are paying for the foundation already shouldn't they be using that money to promote Bitcoin and put on a conference? Instead of them being greedy and looking for more money.

+1 the money the bitcoin foundation already has been collecting should be going to a conference. Then they can have free admission  Cheesy

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January 26, 2013, 04:38:56 AM
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin. 

But if people are paying for the foundation already shouldn't they be using that money to promote Bitcoin and put on a conference? Instead of them being greedy and looking for more money.

They say they're a nonprofit organization, so this money will eventually be put into making bitcoin better... Anyway, nobody is preventing anyone from hosting their own conference that would be less expensive, so go for it!

They already brainwashed you, and you completely glanced over it, so I will put to you again, you pay a fee to them already why do they need $300 more dollars when they have so much, and they don't even give a discount or anything. But yet Gavin gets his pay day!

My question is this:

Why does a foundation have to pay Gavin? If they have to pay Gavin then that implies they need Gavin. Why would they need Gavin? Bitcoin doesn't need Gavin. Bitcoin doesn't even need Satoshi.

Flawed model in my opinion.

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January 26, 2013, 04:44:29 AM
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The detractors in this thread are sad and simply show how small they are.  $300 for a conference cna be an amazing deal if it is well organized with good speakers.  Free conference absolutely worthless (because there will still be airfare, hotel, etc) if it is poorly planned and thus a waste of time.  How good will the foundation's first conference be?  I don't know but the value is based on execution not a $300 entry fee.   As IT events go, $300 for a conference is actually pretty low.  Bitcoin is still small and conferences generally have high fixed costs.  Maybe next year (or the following year) they can have multiple options and the fee will come down as it is amortized over more attendees and sponsors.  I wouldn't be surprised that even at $300 per person the foundation loses money.  However the PR, and press may be worth it in the long run and you got to start somewhere A solid conference in a real venue that doesn't make international press think Bitcoin is a couple of nerds hopelessly out of touch costs a lot more than most people realize.

Still when you compare it to say the embedded linux conference (11th year) the prices don't really seem out of line.

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Hobbyist Fee: US$100*


It's not detracting if I am stating my opinion and looking at the facts.

Weren't you not so long ago "detracting" one of the litecoin threads? Way to be a hypocrit eh?

And you think I'm sad? You went out of your way to the Alt currencies subforum to "make a point". lol

Don't you have more important things to do like promote bitcoin as you obviously seem so eager to evangelize it?


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yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

I have closed many bitcoin deals on skype so please explain... just cause you don't shakes someone hand doesn't mean anything welcome to the 21st century


its a matter of comfort level and percentages.  some of us feel more comfortable assessing risk after having met somebody in person.  it may be fine for you to enter highly risky business deals worth lots of money over Skype but not for me.

That is where lawyers come into play Wink If you don't use any lawyers then I see your worry but honestly there is no reason every business deal that could make or break you isn't done with a lawyer in the bitcoin world.

what i'm saying has nothing to do with lawyers.  in fact, it shouldn't.  they are probably the worst ones to rely solely upon to assess partnering up with another Bitcoiner as they have a vested interest in constructing a complex deal in terms of fees.

no, the best person to assess the risk of a business partnership is you in a face to face meeting with the potential partner.  i'm not talking about small stuff like most of the businesses around here; i'm talking about real businesses involving substantial amounts of money.  integrity assessment requires multiple sources of input over time.

Ohh real business stuff, I guess everyone here is doing fake business stuff... ok your talking about co-founders and stuff like that and investments while face to face meetings can be good to find out if the people is passionate about there business, but I mean you can see that over skype. I have invested in some bitcoins business in the same way a VC would. Looking at the founder and team, and I think you can see the same things over video chat.

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My question is this:

Why does a foundation have to pay Gavin? If they have to pay Gavin then that implies they need Gavin. Why would they need Gavin? Bitcoin doesn't need Gavin. Bitcoin doesn't even need Satoshi.

Flawed model in my opinion.


I know FINALLY A SMART MAN IS STEPPING UP what I have realized when the foundation stated they need to pay Gavin! THANK YOU! I thought I was taking crazy pills for a second.

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basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js

May as well nobody ever go to Disneyland since most of the Disney movies are on the Pirate Bay anyway...

So now the analogy is that bitcoin conference is like a theme park? How about circus can we use that analogy?  Cheesy

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basically you described $300 to go to a place and talk about the forum, when you could just log on here and ask for people's skype (like I have done) and talk to them and have better discussions for free. To be honest no independent thinker would go to a conference js
May as well nobody ever go to Disneyland since most of the Disney movies are on the Pirate Bay anyway...

Well Disneyland has been changed into a landmark of American society so watching a movie is very different from going to a landmark that has been around for very long time. Also the bitcoin conference is the same thing as the forum just that you see a face and hear a voice...

Then simple solution ... don't go.  You have no intention of joining the foundation and no intention on going to a bitcoin conference.  If it serves no purpose then the price doesn't really matter does it.  It would be just as pointless at $10,000 or $10.  So don't go.  Other people will. 

What exactly was your issue again?

His point was getting people to think before they spend any more money on a possibly pointless conference for their sake. Might not be pointless if you're one of the "elitists".

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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

Edit:
The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.

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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

Edit:
The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.
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You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Having a conference in fact is using money to promote Bitcoin.

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Bottom line, people are better off keeping their finances and conserving than attending a bitcoin conference.

Only in the same way looking at porn is a better way to enjoy sexuality than going out on dates.

And smoothie obviously knows about that.

LOL nice try. But once again you're wrong. I've probably gotten more pie in a week than you get in a lifetime!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

Edit:
The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.
[citation needed]

Let me rephrase that "You don't need to trust a person or organization when it comes to the bitcoin network."

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January 26, 2013, 05:04:34 AM
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Hope its better than the excruciatingly embarrassing ones of the past.
this will be the first real one is the US right?
Previous conferences are infamous for having been organized by people who have since gone into disrepute - NYC by Bruce Wagner, Prague with involvement from Bitcoin consultancy, London by Nefario and Bitcoin consultancy. But I think all of them were actually quite good (and the first real conference in US is definitely NYC Aug 2011).

1. They have all been reasonably organized, and better with each conference.
2. The organization is just an excuse. It's an important excuse inasmuch as it's what brings people together, but it's actually meeting other people from the community that is important. And we've done plenty of that.

Edit:
The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)
There's your problem, right there. You think conferences are about "material". The material is an excuse to get people to meet (and to get press coverage, too).

internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.
!= Meeting in person.

yes, unfortunately not understood by many here.

shaking someone's hand, looking that person in the eye, expressing one's self with body language, and engaging in one-to-one conversation magically strips out most of the bullshit you get on all those internet channels.

that's funny you once again may have misjudged me Cypher. I understand the importance of meeting people in person when TRUST is needed.

You forget, this is Bitcoin. No trust is needed. Hence irrelevant to need to go to a bitcoin conference unless you are one of the early adopters that just wants to increase the value of his stash he got for $0.005/BTC.

yes, investing in Bitcoin itself doesn't require trust.  but investing in other ppl when forming business partnerships does.

but lets get back to the point at hand.  conferences can be very helpful at multiple levels and $300, unfortunately, is not an outrageous price.  there is info to be found out speaking to ppl in corners that won't be found out in public forums like this.  pm's, Skype and email can be insecure w/o the proper precautions as you know.

plus, when you get alot of ppl together with like mindset, alot of creativity takes place and deals struck.  it may sound old fashioned but that's how things work.  

otoh, i admit technology is changing things as we speak.
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January 26, 2013, 05:17:48 AM
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$300 entry fee to go to a conference?


This smells like elitism.

This is a pretty normal fee.  If you're organizing a conference, you're lucky if the registration fees you collect as well as the vendor sponsorships are enough to pay the venue's 5 or 6 figure bill when it's all over.  It's also not outrageous when you consider that the average person is already paying $500-$1500 to get there when you consider airfare, ground transportation, and hotel.  If the conference were held in a public park, it wouldn't be $300, but it would also be so stupid as to not be worth traveling to, and the media would show up to laugh at us.  The only way to call it elitism is to be oblivious to the economics of organizing a conference.

It's totally normal for a conference venue to charge, oh, $25 a plate for every plate taken at a buffet line, or $5 for every soda taken from the courtesy table at the back of the room.  Not kidding!  That's how the hospitality industry works.  The food is served as though it's free but it's totally not.  The fee literally covers the cost of the venue.

BTW, I just bought my ticket.  I'll be driving out.  In my Porsche with "Bitcoin" vanity license plate.  Because I'm elitist like that and all.

The SAME material covered at these conferences can be found in:

1. this forum (free)
2. Bitcoin Magazine ($8.88...wow)
3. Google (free)
4. Youtube videos (if we're lucky...also Free)

There really isn't a point to pay for a total of $1500-$2500 for a 2.5 day conference just to get the same material you could with options 1, 2, and 3 listed above.

Right the next point would be networking right? Well you can easily do that on this forum alone or on the internet, skype, facebook, youtube, twitter, etc, etc, etc.

So should people pay $8.88 at most or pay a few thousand dollars to get the same material?

Sounds like a waste of time and money as mentioned earlier in this thread.

You people who plan to go and are organizing this conference are better using that money to further bitcoin, not have fancy conferences where you basically tout your LEET skillz in making tonz of moneyz.

Bottom line, people are better off keeping their finances and conserving than attending a bitcoin conference.

Just my 0.02 btc

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Conferences usually are about making new (business) connections, and that's something that's very difficult to put a price on.

Akin to conducting business during a round of golf, oppose to doing it in some conference room or over the phone. BTW, is this practice still done, or was that so 1990's?(?)?

I'm making plans to attend, and it'll cost me two to three grand. Note to self: Quit smokin' psy's shit.
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