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March 24, 2013, 08:34:39 PM
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He looked for the guy you asked him to look for.  He put in the work, which is what you paid for.  You didn't pay for a guaranteed result.  You paid for guaranteed work.

where is the evidence of his work?  he said that he didn't have enough info to do the search.  So no, he didn't put in the work.

I paid for a report, not for work.

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March 24, 2013, 08:37:05 PM
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velacreations: Stop buying things with GOLD before the price jumps up. It will make handling inconveniences a lot easier.
that's actually good advice.  I should have used paypal, and then could have filed a dispute for goods not delivered.

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March 24, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
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Thank you, this guy is on a vendetta to make me out to be a scammer. He made other posts on this forum saying as such, then directed people to my personal information, which is annoying, but I don't have a lot to hide either way. He's a bad sport about this. I can find most everyone, but not everyone I try to find. He doesn't seem to grasp this.

you still don't get it, do you?  If I pay you, and you don't deliver (and avoid communication with me), and then refuse to refund me, then yes, you are a scammer.

To top it all off, you lie about it, and make it sound like you've been in contact with me, which is total BS.

Send me my refund, and I'll stop calling you a scammer.  It's as simple as that.

No, you don't put me down as a scammer, then demand I refund you so you'll stop saying I'm a scammer! I'd be an idiot to be threatened into refunding you. I don't really care about the little money I'd need to refund you with, but explaining to you why I care, would be like talking to a wall. I didn't lie about anything. I tried to find your skip with my best tools and best efforts. I PUT DOUBLE THE MONEY THAT YOU PAID INTO FINDING THE GUY. I've lost more than you here. You got the benefits of the forum and some info on the guy you're looking for. I asked you twice about more information on the skip and finally you replied saying you didn't know! I had such limited info to work with, put a lot of time into finding the person and money.... and you know what, I couldn't do it. Terrible me.

My forum clearly outlines the terms that if I can't perform the skip (happens once in a while), you get another request, free of charge. It says nothing about a refund if I can't successfully perform the trace.

I don't know how I can be any more clear. Its not a scam because you don't understand the very clear terms I provided.
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March 24, 2013, 08:49:25 PM
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"Valcreations" keep on whining and talking shit, I'm done replying to you. The people on this board that I have worked for, seem to be very happy with my service. Sorry you're not, but at this point (after you posted lies and shit on my forum too), I really don't care any more about defending myself to you.
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March 24, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
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I didn't lie about anything.

You did lie.  Right here on this forum. Let me refresh your memory:
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I already you today and over a week ago. I CANNOT FIND EVERYONE! NOT PERFECT.
no you didn't.  you did not contact me and inform me that you couldn't find the person until today. THAT IS A LIE

I tried to find your skip with my best tools and best efforts. I PUT DOUBLE THE MONEY THAT YOU PAID INTO FINDING THE GUY.
Prove it.  First, you say, "you didn't send me enough information to find someone" and now it is "I searched and searched and couldn't find him"

Which is it?

I've lost more than you here. You got the benefits of the forum and some info on the guy you're looking for.
what information?  I didn't get any information.  Stop trying to be the victim.

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I asked you twice about more information on the skip and finally you replied saying you didn't know!
You banned me from the forum and my PMs, so I can't post them on here, but I sent you the information several times. I told you I didn't have anything else. a few times.

After I sent the information the first time, you said the skip "would be delivered on Sunday"  If you didn't have what you needed, why did you say that?

I also gave you my email address and usernames on 2 forums, you could have contacted me at any time saying you didn't have enough information, you won't be able to do the search.  Did you do that?  No.

So, don't act like you exerted a bunch of work on this.  You didn't.  
You could have contacted me at any point to resolve this, to let me know what was going on.  You didn't.

You had basically written me off, until I started posting on your threads demanding my money back.  After more than 3 weeks from when I ordered the service, your idea of communicating with me about it is posting on a forum thread that you couldn't find the guy.

TERRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE

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March 24, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
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after you posted lies and shit on my forum too
you show me one lie I've told.  I have stated EXACTLY what happened, and even posted PMs to back it up.

Funny how once I start posting evidence, you ban me from the forum...

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March 24, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
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after you posted lies and shit on my forum too
you show me one lie I've told.  I have stated EXACTLY what happened, and even posted PMs to back it up.

Funny how once I start posting evidence, you ban me from the forum...

Actually no. I banned you before you started posted your so called evidence. Which isn't evidence at all! Its you responding with your take on my responses. How is that evidence?
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March 24, 2013, 09:10:56 PM
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Actually no. I banned you before you started posted your so called evidence. Which isn't evidence at all! Its you responding with your take on my responses. How is that evidence?
It is showing your PMs, what you actually said.  Where is your evidence?  Where is the contact telling me the situation? 

Do you or do you not have PMs or emails that were sent to me beyond March 10, 2013, informing me of the situation?
Because if not, then you are clearly a liar, as you have stated more than once that you contacted me multiple times as soon as one week ago.

And since you banned me, then you can go ahead and send my refund, now.  Cause wasn't having access to the forum part of that deal (like you previously mentioned)?

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March 25, 2013, 12:43:02 AM
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Actually no. I banned you before you started posted your so called evidence. Which isn't evidence at all! Its you responding with your take on my responses. How is that evidence?
It is showing your PMs, what you actually said.  Where is your evidence?  Where is the contact telling me the situation? 

Do you or do you not have PMs or emails that were sent to me beyond March 10, 2013, informing me of the situation?
Because if not, then you are clearly a liar, as you have stated more than once that you contacted me multiple times as soon as one week ago.

And since you banned me, then you can go ahead and send my refund, now.  Cause wasn't having access to the forum part of that deal (like you previously mentioned)?

Yes it was, but you broke the rules of the forum, hence voiding your membership. Even if I show you the PM's, you're just going to lie and say I altered it or you never received it, etc. I would have still considered refunding you half of the money if you didn't want the free skip.

You keep saying there is no evidence of contact, I keep saying I did. If I provided you the evidence, you'd claim it was never sent.... correct?

So what is the point of me providing it?
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March 25, 2013, 12:44:44 AM
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I'm going to have to report all of these posts to a moderator as I came here to see on-topic discussion about this service and it's future, not about one customer's personal customer service inquiries and the business owner's responses. Please use email for that and let the rest of us only bother to come here when there is something interesting involving the actual service in topic.

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March 25, 2013, 12:50:09 AM
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Even if I show you the PM's, you're just going to lie and say I altered it or you never received it, etc. I would have still considered refunding you half of the money if you didn't want the free skip.

You keep saying there is no evidence of contact, I keep saying I did. If I provided you the evidence, you'd claim it was never sent.... correct?

So what is the point of me providing it?
Cause you didn't send it.  You never sent me anything beyond March 10. 

And sure, you can fake PMs, if you want, if that makes you feel better.  But the fact is that unless your PM system is really crappy, you never contacted me beyond the 10th of March.

And you had 3 forms of contact for me, email, this forum, and your forum.  I originally requested the service on this forum.

Are you going to say all 3 forms of contact failed?


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March 25, 2013, 12:56:05 AM
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you're just going to lie
listen bud, I don't lie.  And out of the 2 of us, you are the one who has been caught in a lie with this situation.  So, we'll be going with my word on it, not yours.

I took screen shots of my PM's from your forum before you banned me.  So, I know what messages were in there.  And there was NOTHING from you beyond March 10.  Nothing.

So, don't even try and set me up like a liar, here.  I kept my end of the deal. I paid you, like requested, exactly according to the instructions.

You were the one who failed, not me.

Hell, I even gave you the information I had BEFORE I paid you with a PM on THIS FORUM.  So, if that was not enough info, why didn't you tell me then, before charging me?


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March 25, 2013, 01:04:59 AM
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you broke the rules of the forum, hence voiding your membership.
which rule, exactly?

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March 25, 2013, 01:46:56 AM
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you broke the rules of the forum, hence voiding your membership.
which rule, exactly?

There's a few. The most notable one, being a good morale character. Posting your lies in my forum doesn't show good morale character. Stop whining that you lost your $10 forum admission. I clearly say that if we can't find who you're looking for, we'll gladly do another skip for free. I don't say that if we can't find the skip, you get your membership refunded.
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March 25, 2013, 01:50:36 AM
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Posting your lies in my forum doesn't show good morale character.
did you ban yourself?  cause you are the only one who has lied here.


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March 25, 2013, 02:01:28 AM
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Posting your lies in my forum doesn't show good morale character.
did you ban yourself?  cause you are the only one who has lied here.



How did I know you were going to say that?

You say I lie and I say you do. What else is there to say? (probably a lot by you).

But congrats on being the first person out of all my previous clients, to bitch this much about your $10. Anyone else I didn't find their skip for, just said ok, thanks for trying, and then gave me someone else to find.
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March 25, 2013, 02:13:42 AM
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You say I lie and I say you do.
The difference is that you are actually lying, here.

Let's just look at the situation for a bit, shall we?

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You claim that you sent me multiple communications as recent as a week go.  For that to be true, then your PM system must have failed multiple times.  Not only that, I sent you PMs asking for a status on the project. So, for your version to be true, your site had to fail a number of times.  Is that what you are claiming?  That your forum software can't deliver PMs?  Is your forum so bad that it fails multiple times?

And, if you claim that, then the question is, why didn't you contact me through one of the 2 other methods I gave you?  Hell, I didn't even order the job on your forum, I ordered it on here. Why didn't you send communication through another method?

If I had received communication from you, what motivation do I have to post on the forum and send you multiple messages about a refund?  Don't you think that's odd?

See, your version doesn't hold up to logic.  For it to be true, not only does it require me to be lying (I'm not), it also requires that your forum system failed on multiple occasions, as well as email and THIS forum's software, too.

That's just too much to fail all at the same time, bud.

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Only requires that you are lying to try and save face after being called out.  

So, which is more likely?

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March 25, 2013, 04:43:07 AM
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You say I lie and I say you do.
The difference is that you are actually lying, here.

Let's just look at the situation for a bit, shall we?

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You claim that you sent me multiple communications as recent as a week go.  For that to be true, then your PM system must have failed multiple times.  Not only that, I sent you PMs asking for a status on the project. So, for your version to be true, your site had to fail a number of times.  Is that what you are claiming?  That your forum software can't deliver PMs?  Is your forum so bad that it fails multiple times?

And, if you claim that, then the question is, why didn't you contact me through one of the 2 other methods I gave you?  Hell, I didn't even order the job on your forum, I ordered it on here. Why didn't you send communication through another method?

If I had received communication from you, what motivation do I have to post on the forum and send you multiple messages about a refund?  Don't you think that's odd?

See, your version doesn't hold up to logic.  For it to be true, not only does it require me to be lying (I'm not), it also requires that your forum system failed on multiple occasions, as well as email and THIS forum's software, too.

That's just too much to fail all at the same time, bud.

My version  
Only requires that you are lying to try and save face after being called out.  

So, which is more likely?

Actually my logic holds up just fine. And my forum's pm system works just fine. I sent the messages there, didn't need to send them on this forum, since I sent them on mine. You either didn't see them or are straight out lying. You're basing your arguments on the fact that you're telling the truth, which your not.

This discussion is over. I'm tired of your lies. You think I'm a liar and a scammer, so be it. I have many happy clients / customers that say otherwise.
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March 25, 2013, 05:22:38 AM
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Actually my logic holds up just fine. And my forum's pm system works just fine.
Then where are they?  If your forum didn't lose them, then where are they?  What happened to them?  did they evaporate?  Where could they be?  Why do you think I would send you a message saying I haven't heard from you in 2 weeks? Your logic is so full of holes, it is quite clear that you are lying about something so small and basic, that it makes me wonder about the bigger stuff.

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I sent the messages there, didn't need to send them on this forum, since I sent them on mine.
I even asked you the status through PMs on THIS FORUM.  Why didn't you reply?  if you had replied, like you claim, wouldn't you find it odd that I ept asking about it?

There's only 2 possible scenarios here, either your forum doesn't work or you didn't send them, bud. Since you insist your forum software is fine, the only possible solution here is that you are lying.

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You either didn't see them or are straight out lying. You're basing your arguments on the fact that you're telling the truth, which your not.

Here you go, bud, just for you, my PMs.  







Now, you tell me where the message is.



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March 25, 2013, 05:58:12 AM
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This is the proof of work you asked for. I managed to compile some of my old notes. We both know it still won't be good enough for you. You're still going to complain and call me a scammer. You asked for this and I have a little free time to do it, since you claim I didn't do the work on it.... so this is more to show to other people that I did the work.

I also find this interesting... where you admit through PM to me on my forum that you're not receiving PM's and emails and such but now you're so profuse in calling me a liar and scammer. - http://postimg.org/image/57kml8s5p/

And remember, part of the terms on my site and this thread, is that it must be someone aged 18+ and in the US
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You requested a skip with the following info provided:

Mathew Harrison
mattepredator@gmail.com, thepredator02@hotmail.ca, onvemusp@sharklasers.com

paypal: onvemusp@sharklasers.com
name on paypal account: Aaron Kingston Cp

google +: https://plus.google.com/106603952814650530037
He just added me to his circles on g+

site: http://buybitcoinswithpaypal.blogspot.com/

site: http://sellbitcoins.blogspot.com/

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Here's what I found out (since there's two totally different names (matthew harrison & Aaron Kingston CP) which makes it two different skips I now have to take the time to work and pay for -

Googled all the emails - I found some related scam posts on this guy, a bunch of gaming sites, etc. All results took me to different avenues and eventually led back to the information you already provided. onvemusp@sharklasers.com - is a disposable email, so I could get anything from the domain.

I googled the name Matthew Harrison and got some similar results and put it in my skiptracing tools in CA, but obviously got way too many results. Same with Aaron Kingston Cp.

Google plus - Nothing since one needs to be added. Other sites you provided led to nothing.

You did not provide an IP address, although you say you have his emails.

I spent a significant amount of time using my skiptracing tools to find both names, since as I said, now I'm suddenly doing two cases for you. I definitely can't post the results I got through the use of my investigative tools here, as it would implicate the "innocent" that have nothing to do with Matthew Harrison or Aaron Kingston, as there were way too many results I had to search through.

I emailed each email provided from a decoy email address of mine, and couldn't get a response, hence no access to the blogs or an IP address.

I did more little searches on various pieces of data I picked up and still found nothing substantial.
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So all in all, I tried searching for two different people with very limited details to start, which were probably false names.

Also, as I said, the skip needs to be at least 18 years of age, which is unconfirmed. So I might have easily been searching for someone with my investigative tools, that I couldn't find even with more info.

I put a lot of work and money into searching BOTH persons. And hey, I might have found the person through my skiptracing tools, but would have no idea if it was a good hit, as I had nothing to compare it to.

So again, I'm sorry I didn't find your guy, but I dished out a shit load of time into trying to locate both names with no other good details. Even with some of my friend's names, there's several with the same name in the state they reside in. So with a name and state and no other substantial details, there's no way of knowing if I got a good hit or not. And it would be highly immoral of me to provide you with the possible hits, when they're not confirmed.
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