Douglus should remove cryptodevil from DT due to conflict of interest

[Zeke2345]

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Erm, isn't "Cam" guitarplinker's "signature"

I hadn't seen this thread before, and have only read the first 3 posts.

In summary, the only users who are complaining not because they themselves got tagged for promoting the ponzis are
1)Mist: Random somebody who recently started meta/reputation discussion
2)Your Point Is Invalid: The guy who has been after removing any DT member who tags based on suspicion and near conclusive proof aka "The guy who complains about me being in DT while having me manually added to his trust list"
3) newtons1: Pretty clear who he is
4) Zeke: Same as the first guy with some traits of the second
Edit:

5) Gimpeline: Someone who clearly doesn't have an idea of whats going on, and has suddenly appeared back from the dead
6) Dorrittulx: Is clearly trolling
7) The Pharmacist: No arguments, only opinions
Everybody, did I miss anyone?

QFR
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@dooglus

The discussion is based around what Cryptodevil says he is doing and what he plans to. Lets ignore I told QS to use his main account, but I guess I could be some one elses sock, just dislike being written off in that way.
Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep. Have reported these as spam/threats and suggest others do the same.
Back in this thread he trolls people which reflects what he is doing with the ne rep.
If you consider QS private message a threat, than there is no doubt you agree Crypto is crossing the line. (Is it ok to post private messages?).

This to me is not about you, but a attempt to get cryptodevil to reflect on what he is potentially doing to the trust.

@Mexxer-2
Come on dude...this is getting old. You come at me and say what you got to say, no need to skirt around issues. If this stems from my last post about you, luptin an wwf, it was a joke example. Lets drop this sock talk or prove it once and for all.

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[suchmoon]

BTW, for what it counts I find excessive the red trust for anyone joining or posting in favour of a Ponzi.
A red trust for the promoter and that big size red text cryptodevil is already copy/pasting in any ponzi thread are enough for me; also considering there is already this forum disclaimer

"Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose."

and that this forum allows that kind of threads.

Forum allows outright scams too, i.e. there is no moderation on scams as clearly stated in the text you quoted. That's what the trust system is for. Negative trust is not a ban or any other kind of disciplinary action depriving the target of some God-given or constitutional right. It's a warning. Everyone is free to set their trust settings up in such a way that they only see "red" for the warnings that they want to see. Default Trust is just a recommendation for noobs.

All these whiners in this and dozens of other "cryptodevil is evil" threads should consider spending that time educating noobs on how to make use of trust settings. Win-win for everyone. But we know this isn't about cryptodevil or ponzis, is it?

[Zeke2345]

Wtf else could it be about!
You gloss over the fact new accounts will wander through the forum and post. They now will see whats going on in that subforum and wonder where else they are not allowed to post. Think some of you have not been a noob in awhile, reason yoy gloss over negative trust killing any chance of being in a signature campaign. It also restricts trade with others. It takes time for negative trust accounts to establish. End of the day you label everyone and it means less.
Whining and crying just shows how you and others of the same thinking still do not see the problem.
Have given this enough attention, if people want to talk contact me through pm. Its pointless breathing life into this issue now.

[Lutpin]

Think some of you have not been a noob in awhile, reason yoy gloss over negative trust killing any chance of being in a signature campaign. It also restricts trade with others.

Removing your posts in the ponzi threads mostly solves those "issues".

[cryptodevil]

Yeah that fact seems to be ignored in this, hmm, can't really call it a discussion because only one side is presenting reasoned argument, so let's just stick with butt-hurt-circle-jerk,  yes, that's probably the most fitting description for what this band of socks is actually doing here.

I've easily deleted as many negative ratings as remain currently, with numerous PMs from people who genuinely didn't understand what the fact of the 'scheme' they were getting involved in was. So, in that a simple removal of the 'supporting' post will generally result in a user's trust being restored to its former state, I fail to see what the muppets and puppets are actually bitching about other than their own desire to behave dishonestly without being held to account.

I look forward to receiving evidence of my 'out of control' abuse of the trust system, though, replete with multiple references to slippery-slopes and Nazis. Lol. Still chuckling at the pathetic use of, "When they came for..."

[hopenotlate]

BTW, for what it counts I find excessive the red trust for anyone joining or posting in favour of a Ponzi.
A red trust for the promoter and that big size red text cryptodevil is already copy/pasting in any ponzi thread are enough for me; also considering there is already this forum disclaimer

"Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose."

and that this forum allows that kind of threads.

Forum allows outright scams too, i.e. there is no moderation on scams as clearly stated in the text you quoted. That's what the trust system is for. Negative trust is not a ban or any other kind of disciplinary action depriving the target of some God-given or constitutional right. It's a warning. Everyone is free to set their trust settings up in such a way that they only see "red" for the warnings that they want to see. Default Trust is just a recommendation for noobs.

All these whiners in this and dozens of other "cryptodevil is evil" threads should consider spending that time educating noobs on how to make use of trust settings. Win-win for everyone. But we know this isn't about cryptodevil or ponzis, is it?

My post was about ponzis' threads posters given neg trust: no other hidden purposes here.

It's a warning

That's why I feel the big size red text cryptodevil is copypasting in each ponzi thread, in addition to being an excellent job, could be enough.

Everyone is free to set their trust settings up in such a way that they only see "red" for the warnings that they want to see. Default Trust is just a recommendation for noobs.

Well , than I'm a noob because I never bothered checking how trust system works here (maybe because I don't sell/trade etc etc) and my trust settings are the same one I had the day I created my account.
So it happens that I now see more red trust around than the ones I used to see when I was a lower rank member and consequently, unconsciously, I pay less attention to those red numbers than I did before.
tl'dr : I'm afraid it can generate the effect of diminishing the importance of the trust rating
But it's probably just my problem.

[mexxer-2]

Lets drop this sock talk or prove it once and for all.

Read the post again, I wasn't talking about you being an alt of anyone

[suchmoon]

Wtf else could it be about!
You gloss over the fact new accounts will wander through the forum and post. They now will see whats going on in that subforum and wonder where else they are not allowed to post. Think some of you have not been a noob in awhile, reason yoy gloss over negative trust killing any chance of being in a signature campaign. It also restricts trade with others. It takes time for negative trust accounts to establish. End of the day you label everyone and it means less.
Whining and crying just shows how you and others of the same thinking still do not see the problem.
Have given this enough attention, if people want to talk contact me through pm. Its pointless breathing life into this issue now.

Except that your whole sad story is exaggerated. Not "everyone" gets labeled and there is an easy way to "unlabel".

Well , than I'm a noob because I never bothered checking how trust system works here (maybe because I don't sell/trade etc etc) and my trust settings are the same one I had the day I created my account.
So it happens that I now see more red trust around than the ones I used to see when I was a lower rank member and consequently, unconsciously, I pay less attention to those red numbers than I did before.
tl'dr : I'm afraid it can generate the effect of diminishing the importance of the trust rating
But it's probably just my problem.

Exactly my point. The issue is not that someone labels scam supporters. The issue is that some people (a) don't consider that important and (b) would rather impose their own rules up to and including pressure on DT1 members instead of learning how to use the system that's already in place. Granted the system is not perfect but we can't even begin to discuss that if the expectation is to have it all work magically to everyone's satisfaction.

[dooglus]

Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep.

I haven't seen the post. Can you link me to it and any neg rep left as a result?

If you consider QS private message a threat, than there is no doubt you agree Crypto is crossing the line. (Is it ok to post private messages?).

If I had known it was QS I would have simply ignored the message. The guy seems to enjoy trolling me and so I try to ignore him. The PM says that if I don't do what he wants he will try to get me removed from default trust. Isn't that a threat? If you threaten me via PM then I will post your threat in public so show others how you behave in private.

This to me is not about you, but a attempt to get cryptodevil to reflect on what he is potentially doing to the trust.

If it's QS then it is about me. He has been using whatever he can find to dig at me for months if not years now.

[suchmoon]

Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep.

I haven't seen the post. Can you link me to it and any neg rep left as a result?

This got me curious enough to go looking for it

Sure enough Zeke is bending the truth a bit:

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

So not quite "anyone posting in it(Anyone!)".

Here is an example of a red tag although I can't be 100% sure if that's what Zeke had in mind:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1353715.msg14151706#msg14151706

[Zeke2345]

Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep.

I haven't seen the post. Can you link me to it and any neg rep left as a result?

This got me curious enough to go looking for it

Sure enough Zeke is bending the truth a bit:

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

So not quite "anyone posting in it(Anyone!)".

Here is an example of a red tag although I can't be 100% sure if that's what Zeke had in mind:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1353715.msg14151706#msg14151706

The problem with this discussion is I am going off what Cryptodevil has stated in other threads that he would do to help clean that section up. Now that I have bitten into the issue he has deleted or retracted some of the comments,which leaves me looking like I was just pissing in the wind for the fun of it. Was also his thinking that by posting in the thread you where guilty of supporting a ponzi and that was initially his intent. Sure he will come in here and claim different and it becomes a he said/she said,so I am bowing out of this discussion.
I make a lot of my posts from my cell and to link,copy and paste is just a bitch on this stupid phone. Its just not worth the energy,you either get labeled a sock or a idiot and if thats how we proceed...so be it.

End of the day its hard to take Cryptodevil seriously and thats why I question why he trolls and the other half of him wades into the scammer busting. Seems to be a odd mix but has the blessings of the forum and thats that.

Once you get rid of a issue I hope you rid yourself of all the scammers you see but leave a subsection for people that want to be left alone,would yeah!

[suchmoon]

The problem with this discussion is I am going off what Cryptodevil has stated in other threads that he would do to help clean that section up. Now that I have bitten into the issue he has deleted or retracted some of the comments,which leaves me looking like I was just pissing in the wind for the fun of it. Was also his thinking that by posting in the thread you where guilty of supporting a ponzi and that was initially his intent. Sure he will come in here and claim different and it becomes a he said/she said,so I am bowing out of this discussion.
I make a lot of my posts from my cell and to link,copy and paste is just a bitch on this stupid phone. Its just not worth the energy,you either get labeled a sock or a idiot and if thats how we proceed...so be it.

End of the day its hard to take Cryptodevil seriously and thats why I question why he trolls and the other half of him wades into the scammer busting. Seems to be a odd mix but has the blessings of the forum and thats that.

Once you get rid of a issue I hope you rid yourself of all the scammers you see but leave a subsection for people that want to be left alone,would yeah!

Your phone seems to work fine to post walls of text just not on the topic being discussed. You can go to http://bitcointa.lk and find us some of those deleted posts that you're talking about but I have a feeling you won't be doing that.

[suchmoon]

Seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Currently not on my cell and its not the posting but the actual linking and pasting I have issue with.
When I said I was done,I was done with the topic. You want to railroad me have at it.

You are right I will not be clicking on the link. Just will look for like minded people and let the rent a cops have their way. Enjoy trolling me,I am done.

I'm not trolling or "railroading" you, whatever the fuck that means.

I'm just stating a fairly obvious fact that you are failing to support your statements. I even did most of the work for you and dug up cryptodevil's PSA and an example of a red tag. You then backpedaled from your statements with vague unsubstantiated (again) accusations of posts being deleted etc. I'm certainly interested in a real proof on cryptodevil's alleged wrongdoings as I have him/her in my own trust list but just throwing shit around isn't helping anyone. If anyone's trolling it's you.

And in case it's not obvious yet - don't PM me, not interested in your excuses. Posted something in public - be ready to discuss it in public.

[Zeke2345]

Seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Currently not on my cell and its not the posting but the actual linking and pasting I have issue with.
When I said I was done,I was done with the topic. You want to railroad me have at it.

You are right I will not be clicking on the link. Just will look for like minded people and let the rent a cops have their way. Enjoy trolling me,I am done.

I'm not trolling or "railroading" you, whatever the fuck that means.

I'm just stating a fairly obvious fact that you are failing to support your statements. I even did most of the work for you and dug up cryptodevil's PSA and an example of a red tag. You then backpedaled from your statements with vague unsubstantiated (again) accusations of posts being deleted etc. I'm certainly interested in a real proof on cryptodevil's alleged wrongdoings as I have him/her in my own trust list but just throwing shit around isn't helping anyone. If anyone's trolling it's you.

And in case it's not obvious yet - don't PM me, not interested in your excuses. Posted something in public - be ready to discuss it in public.

Posting private messages just shows you need attention and do not know what private means.
You posting this is exactly where I was going when I said troll/railroad,but you could not help yourself.
Rest of what you say just confirms things for me,thank you. I reported this and will delete once they delete my private message.
From this point on any discussion will be one sided,go to town.

[whywefight]

Seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Currently not on my cell and its not the posting but the actual linking and pasting I have issue with.
When I said I was done,I was done with the topic. You want to railroad me have at it.

You are right I will not be clicking on the link. Just will look for like minded people and let the rent a cops have their way. Enjoy trolling me,I am done.

I'm not trolling or "railroading" you, whatever the fuck that means.

I'm just stating a fairly obvious fact that you are failing to support your statements. I even did most of the work for you and dug up cryptodevil's PSA and an example of a red tag. You then backpedaled from your statements with vague unsubstantiated (again) accusations of posts being deleted etc. I'm certainly interested in a real proof on cryptodevil's alleged wrongdoings as I have him/her in my own trust list but just throwing shit around isn't helping anyone. If anyone's trolling it's you.

And in case it's not obvious yet - don't PM me, not interested in your excuses. Posted something in public - be ready to discuss it in public.

Posting private messages just shows you need attention and do not know what private means.
You posting this is exactly where I was going when I said troll/railroad,but you could not help yourself.
Rest of what you say just confirms things for me,thank you. I reported this and will delete once they delete my private message.
From this point on any discussion will be one sided,go to town.

Am i blind? Where was your PM posted?

[dooglus]

Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep.

I haven't seen the post. Can you link me to it and any neg rep left as a result?

This got me curious enough to go looking for it

Sure enough Zeke is bending the truth a bit:

As I suspected. Zeke's misrepresenting the facts to try to make cryptodevil look bad.

It's usually a waste of time following up on reports from people who are butthurt that they got negative trust for promoting a scam. Because in almost all cases they are just butthurt that they got negative trust for promoting a scam.

Here is an example of a red tag although I can't be 100% sure if that's what Zeke had in mind:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1353715.msg14151706#msg14151706

Yes, there's no reason to post "receeved third paymunt" on a Ponzi thread other than to try to trick new people into thinking that it's not a scam. Otherwise why not just play the game quietly and not try to rope others into playing?

If anyone does have any valid concerns about cryptodevil's behaviour please PM me about them and I'll re-evaluate having him in my network. But I'm not going to remove him for highlighting people who promote scams.

[suchmoon]

Seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Currently not on my cell and its not the posting but the actual linking and pasting I have issue with.
When I said I was done,I was done with the topic. You want to railroad me have at it.

You are right I will not be clicking on the link. Just will look for like minded people and let the rent a cops have their way. Enjoy trolling me,I am done.

I'm not trolling or "railroading" you, whatever the fuck that means.

I'm just stating a fairly obvious fact that you are failing to support your statements. I even did most of the work for you and dug up cryptodevil's PSA and an example of a red tag. You then backpedaled from your statements with vague unsubstantiated (again) accusations of posts being deleted etc. I'm certainly interested in a real proof on cryptodevil's alleged wrongdoings as I have him/her in my own trust list but just throwing shit around isn't helping anyone. If anyone's trolling it's you.

And in case it's not obvious yet - don't PM me, not interested in your excuses. Posted something in public - be ready to discuss it in public.

Posting private messages just shows you need attention and do not know what private means.
You posting this is exactly where I was going when I said troll/railroad,but you could not help yourself.
Rest of what you say just confirms things for me,thank you. I reported this and will delete once they delete my private message.
From this point on any discussion will be one sided,go to town.

Watch that door on your way out.

Am i blind? Where was your PM posted?

The bolded post above is a PM. Zeke's expectation of privacy is misplaced though. I never asked or expected for this discussion to be taken into PMs, nor did Zeke say or imply it's a secret of some sort.

[whywefight]

Seem to be making a lot of assumptions about me. Currently not on my cell and its not the posting but the actual linking and pasting I have issue with.
When I said I was done,I was done with the topic. You want to railroad me have at it.

You are right I will not be clicking on the link. Just will look for like minded people and let the rent a cops have their way. Enjoy trolling me,I am done.

I'm not trolling or "railroading" you, whatever the fuck that means.

I'm just stating a fairly obvious fact that you are failing to support your statements. I even did most of the work for you and dug up cryptodevil's PSA and an example of a red tag. You then backpedaled from your statements with vague unsubstantiated (again) accusations of posts being deleted etc. I'm certainly interested in a real proof on cryptodevil's alleged wrongdoings as I have him/her in my own trust list but just throwing shit around isn't helping anyone. If anyone's trolling it's you.

And in case it's not obvious yet - don't PM me, not interested in your excuses. Posted something in public - be ready to discuss it in public.

Posting private messages just shows you need attention and do not know what private means.
You posting this is exactly where I was going when I said troll/railroad,but you could not help yourself.
Rest of what you say just confirms things for me,thank you. I reported this and will delete once they delete my private message.
From this point on any discussion will be one sided,go to town.

Watch that door on your way out.

Am i blind? Where was your PM posted?

The bolded post above is a PM. Zeke's expectation of privacy is misplaced though. I never asked or expected for this discussion to be taken into PMs, nor did Zeke say or imply it's a secret of some sort.

Ah okay thanks for the hint. I expected some screenshot like we had before in this thread.

I dont see a problem with it either. You always have to think of someone might "leak" your pms.

[Quickseller]

Back to the issue...Cryptodevil enters this subforum in question and leaves a copy and paste big red threat post, stating anyone posting in it(Anyone!) will get neg rep.

I haven't seen the post. Can you link me to it and any neg rep left as a result?

This got me curious enough to go looking for it

Sure enough Zeke is bending the truth a bit:

Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

So not quite "anyone posting in it(Anyone!)".

Here is an example of a red tag although I can't be 100% sure if that's what Zeke had in mind:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1353715.msg14151706#msg14151706

If you look at the references of the negative ratings that CD has left, and the post history of those he has left negative ratings to, you will see that, in practice, CD is leaving negative trust for anyone who posts in these threads.

A better example:
CD left a negative rating for gustav911 with this post as a reference.

Hi Admin
Check my account 1BAoje1foXCEPAP8wGuUzmL4esFLCm1Uip
The last payment not arrived in my wallet 
My account premium
Thank you

This person is report a problem with this site, you could even say that he is warning others that this site has scammed. Sure this person is posting about his participation, however it is a long stretch to say this person is helping in any way a scammer, yet alone is a scammer.

If you want a good example of CD leaving negative trust for someone who only posts in a thread in the ponzi section, then look to an example in the OP, Nohah83 has negative trust from CD with this post as a refrence

                                    come on, lets play lottery. for each 10 tickets 1 draw
                  If more people will play we can do many draws a day. 3 prices on 10 tickets is not bad at all
                                              First 2 that will get a ticket will have 50% discount
                     
                       Don't be scared of the cockroach police, that whole trust rating is just a BIG fail.

Hmm, site looks OK not great not bad. If will be legit and pay it will be a great game to play, not much numbers so the waiting time will not be for days and prices are good.

But i think investors prefer ponzi, if they are quick when a new one will pop up they MAY earn coins faster.

I keep an eye now for almost a week on this forum and i see a lot of new sites coming and going, this makes
it all very risky. Good luck and maybe later i will try this one out.

It would be an understatement to say that it is a stretch to say that this post makes this person a scammer.

A good number of the references used for negative ratings are "broken links" in that they do not link back to any post that they made nor any post that has anything to do with the person that CD left negative trust against.

I think the OP makes an interesting point, and I can't say that I disagree with him. First and foremost participating in a ponzi does not make a person a scammer, posting about an action that you have taken, provided such action does not make you a scammer, does not make you a scammer (this may make your eyes cross), therefore posting that you participated in a ponzi does not make you a scammer. Secondly, I don't think that the above point matters because dooglus is financially benefiting from there being less competition in the gambling world, therefore it is unethical for dooglus have CD in his trust list, not that dooglus cares about ethics.

I believe this thread is more likely then not a waste of time, and I think writing the examples above are a waste of time because there is little to no chance that anything will be done about abuse by anyone in dooglus's trust list. Hell dooglus isn't even willing to read more then 3 posts in a thread about concerns, actually look at the ratings that CD has left, or even look at the first page of CD's post history to see the "warning" that he is posting in the ponzi threads.

Dooglus himself has posted that he participated in (played at and invested in) multiple scam sites, made posts supporting such scam sites, and made posts that a reasonable person could interpret as encouraging others to play/invest at/in such scam sites. It isn't any secret that the "investments" offered in the ponzi section are scams, however the sites that dooglus promoted were less clear to be a scam. 

[cryptodevil]

Oh QS, you are so predictable.

This is the rep I left for that user obvious-scammer-sock-is-obvious:

Posting encouragement to scammer running non-verifiable 'lottery' scam.

[Edit] OMGLMAO! Too fucking funny: 'Innocent' (according to QS) scamming-lottery-supporting scammer opens moderated ponzi thread to promote his own ponzi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1394528

A good number of the references used for negative ratings are "broken links" in that they do not link back to any post that they made

Yeah YourPointIsInvalid tried that one already. Firstly, if a user has deleted the post concerned then the rating will be removed if they contact me to let me know. If they don't contact me then they clearly don't care enough about it and neither should you. Secondly, 'A good number'? ORLY? How many would that actually be and, as I already said, why should you care if they haven't asked for the rating to be removed?

I think the OP makes an interesting point, and I can't say that I disagree with him.

Uhuh, of course you don't disagree QS, we all know that. Both you and the sock-OP have a very very very similar approach to how you fail at this.

First and foremost participating in a ponzi does not make a person a scammer,

Nope, it makes them someone who wants to knowingly help scammers steal money from other users.

Hell dooglus isn't even willing to read more then 3 posts in a thread about concerns, actually look at the ratings that CD has left, or even look at the first page of CD's post history to see the "warning" that he is posting in the ponzi threads.

Fail.
Pay attention when you're busy switching between your puppets, QS, you might miss something.

I hadn't seen this thread before, and have only read the first 3 posts.. . .Edit: having now read this thread. . .