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Question: POLL - which coins are scams as defined in the OP?
Bitcoin - 14 (1.6%)
Ethereum - 71 (7.9%)
Ripple - 74 (8.2%)
Litecoin - 16 (1.8%)
MaidSafeCoin - 54 (6%)
Dash - 96 (10.6%)
Factom - 57 (6.3%)
Dogecoin - 28 (3.1%)
BitShares - 50 (5.5%)
Monero - 38 (4.2%)
NEM - 47 (5.2%)
Stellar - 61 (6.8%)
Peercoin - 19 (2.1%)
Nxt - 44 (4.9%)
Emercoin - 42 (4.7%)
Namecoin - 15 (1.7%)
Synereo - 45 (5%)
VanillaCoin (a.k.a. Vcash) - 72 (8%)
Iota - 57 (6.3%)
Rimbit - 3 (0.3%)
Total Voters: 161

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March 10, 2016, 08:10:09 PM
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My health problem is physical, not mental. I assure you. I am eager enough about life. I have all the motivation I want here in the Philippines. The problem is my body is physically messed up and I am trying to find a cure.

Can we stop this off-topic discussion now.

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March 10, 2016, 08:12:46 PM
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My health problem is physical, not mental. I assure you. I am eager enough about life. I have all the motivation I want here in the Philippines. The problem is my body is physically messed up and I am trying to find a cure.

Can we stop this off-topic discussion now.

You live in Philippines? I believed you are from the USA because only a USA citizen could be so arrogant to think that LinkedIn is the only resource for programmers...

EDIT: I've just checked, Philippines is an ex-USA colony, this explains a lot in your behavior.
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March 10, 2016, 08:17:00 PM
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TPTB you're a genious analyser, I'm sure all what are you saying is the pure truth and so on, but you don't control the trading flow man!!

It's obvious that any of these shitcoins will succed in the real life, but this don't mean that are completely useless!! Grin Grin

Most people don't like to say so, BUT THEY LOVE SPECULATION, like they love betting or playing in casinos. It's just low-human nature. Right now, we're seeing a huge increase in volume of altcoins.

Sure most volume is from insiders, but I'm also sure that new SPECULATIVE money is being attracted to the scene. So even if MAID, ETH or all those shits are obvious scams, I have the feeling the party hasn't ended yet...

I am not trying to control.

I intended to stop posting and still do intend to.

I just decided I wanted a poll that asked the question the right way and allowed everyone to vote for as many coins as they wish so we can get a more accurate reflection of the sentiment on the forum. I am pleasantly surprised to see that the forum actually does reasonably understand that most of the altcoins are scams (although they needed some help from me to see that for example Factom is hyping a nonsense design).

So this further confirms to me that I need to leave this forum because it is very unprofessional and is for people who have addiction issues.

I want to get back to working with professionals in the industry. I let myself slide away from that over the past decade. I want to create software for users, not for addicted people or people who want to steal from others by trying to be the winner in the greater fool theory of investing that causes most to be losers. I am interested in speculators who invest to better the world.

So this poll is a way of confirming to me that I am wasting my time here.

We end up like what we chose to work on, invest in, and be involved in.

Mix yourself with low lifes, and you will end up a low life also. I speak from first-hand experience of seeing my life disintegrate based on a choice who to associate with in my 30s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-k2JCV4TCs

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March 10, 2016, 08:29:19 PM
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Please do not bother with this low life Belarusian CfB scammer. He is a law enforcement matter rather than a community member or a professional you should cooperate with. Of course he won't be your contact in Linkedin. He is a scammer. Besides that, his only professional credential that he was one of the main figure of the NXT and JINN scams. He never ever worked any software company that could be listed on Linkedin. Why a software developer like yourself with a reputable CV and extensive experience in software engineers would engage with a low life scammer? Please ignore him. Many of us respect you here. You can gain nothing from the association with this scammer.

On the professional note, as you are a software engineer, please download his Java files (12 files, that's all IOTA is which was sold to the idiots) and conduct a code review on it. Someone sent me the first version of IOTA and I had the bad fortune to see the coding of this wanker. Once you downloaded you will see a poor quality code. Lack of error handling, lack of exception handling, lack of comments, poorly implemented object oriented design - all which indicate this guy has never worked in professional environment for a serious company. What would you do if such shambolic work would be submitted by a junior programmer? You would tell the junior software engineer: please correct these basic violations of software engineering principles, and then the code review will be continued. Since he could scam money from the idiots, he doesn't have to learn designing proper software, right? So this low life scammer is not in your league. I suggest treat him accordingly.

Of course, you'll fail to prove even a piece of this even if your life will depend on that.


You can't be allowed to use  IOTA to full power not  after NXT ....it's just not possible that you're that much smarter than the entire board.

I personally think you are probably a kind of genius (well read) self taught programmer with great capacity for conceptual design and can code it out. I also believe you are very greedy and not a full on pure winner takes all scammer. Or rather you know like many smart people do that enough people need to be involved in the scam and be invested/believe in it for it to succeed and for you to be able to exit to the next one. You are not a low level winner takes all and run scammer. You are smart enough that most will never suspect they have been over charged. I even believe Iota token may work (not because i understand the coding or even the concept) but because I know you will never wish to be known as an outright scammer and you will not dirty the CFB persona. This will not be your last project. Although you will always exist here CFB will fade away never a confirmed bad guy but people now have their doubts.. Your projects are good enough that you can get away with it and nobody can prove you did wrong.

You will never reveal your true identity.

You can prove me wrong of course by telling us who you are?

The only way people can't run project after project after project extracting BTC is reveal and have verified who they are for real.

Again I do not at all question that you're a very intelligent individual but I'd rather invest with sherlock holmes than professor moriarty.

No more excuses or riddles. Who is CFB??


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Note CfB claims he showed his passport in the past. I haven't seen it and IMO his passport is irrelevant. What I wanted to know is what he accomplished before Nxt and JINN/Iota.

Note when I asked him, I was thinking I wanted to know this to see if he is worthy of proposing collaboration and vice versa, if I am worthy relatively speaking. But as I have thought more about this, I realized that the lack of LinkedIn account makes him unsuitable for the route I want to go with crowdfunding a startup corporation. I need developers who have strong reputations (stronger than mine, because I stopped working in 2006 for the most part although I did continue researching and learning, it is hard to show that because I didn't publish much since 2006. Also I realized that he probably wouldn't be so interested for a too ambitious project that demands a longer-term commitment. And I realized I would be having doubts about whether he would be truly concerned about the value of the software he is creating. I take a huge pride in the software I create and I don't want to knowingly produce something which I think is not going to do what is purports to do. The reason I quit Coolpage, is because after several attempts I was unable to figure out a way to marry pixel-perfect placement with generalized HTML import and export. Thus I realized I was making crap software and I became disillusioned. I really want to believe in what I am working on, which is one reason I've been slow to make an altcoin because I wasn't satisfied that the issues that plague the altcoins could actually be fixed (and I still have doubts even for my own design).

Eastern European and Russian programmers are an enigma to me. I was told (in May or June 2015) they try to find a way to earn the most money with the least work. I was told this by one of them, when I explained why I was having trouble understanding the way they approached my offers to collaborate.

National styles in hacking
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The Russian: A morose, wizardly loner. Capable of pulling amazing feats of algorithmic complexity and how-did-he-spot that debugging out of nowhere. Mathematically literate. Uncommunicative and relatively poor at cooperating with others, but more from obliviousness than obnoxiousness. Has recent war stories about using equipment that has been obsolete in the West for decades.

Like most stereotypes, these should neither be taken too literally nor dismissed out of hand. It’s not difficult to spot connections to other aspects of the relevant national cultures.

I must admit I also try to be clever with efficiency of code sometimes. And also with priorities and organization.

But I am also recognizing that I no longer have the sole capability to code 24 x 7 as I did for CoolPage and thus I need to collaborate. And I think this is a normal pattern as someone ages, they become more valued for their management skills and experience than their raw coding productivity.

I am hopeful that my coding productivity will still be high. Getting off this forum is the first step for me.

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March 10, 2016, 08:45:11 PM
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You can't be allowed to use  IOTA to full power not  after NXT ....it's just not possible that you're that much smarter than the entire board.

I personally think you are probably a kind of genius (well read) self taught programmer with great capacity for conceptual design and can code it out. I also believe you are very greedy and not a full on pure winner takes all scammer. Or rather you know like many smart people do that enough people need to be involved in the scam and be invested/believe in it for it to succeed and for you to be able to exit to the next one. You are not a low level winner takes all and run scammer. You are smart enough that most will never suspect they have been over charged. I even believe Iota token may work (not because i understand the coding or even the concept) but because I know you will never wish to be known as an outright scammer and you will not dirty the CFB persona. This will not be your last project. Although you will always exist here CFB will fade away never a confirmed bad guy but people now have their doubts.. Your projects are good enough that you can get away with it and nobody can prove you did wrong.

You will never reveal your true identity.

You can prove me wrong of course by telling us who you are?

The only way people can't run project after project after project extracting BTC is reveal and have verified who they are for real.

Again I do not at all question that you're a very intelligent individual but I'd rather invest with sherlock holmes than professor moriarty.

No more excuses or riddles. Who is CFB??



That long list of the qualities could be shortened to "Professor Moriarty 2.0"
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March 10, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
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Eastern European and Russian programmers are an enigma to me.

I guess it's because they used to work for an idea, not for money. Capitalism mindset people can't comprehend this, one needs to grow in communism environment to solve that enigma.
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March 10, 2016, 08:51:45 PM
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The only bet iam willing to make with you tptb:


You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?
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March 10, 2016, 08:54:52 PM
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You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?

No.

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March 10, 2016, 08:55:13 PM
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I was told (in May or June 2015) they try to find a way to earn the most money with the least work.

This gem has reminded me another one said by an Indian guy: I was talking about muslims as of terrorists until someone didn't talk of me as of a rapist.
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You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?

No.

SMAMMER!!! PUSSY!!! ( Smiley, iam just reflecting your behaivour on previous threads)
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Eastern European and Russian programmers are an enigma to me.

I guess it's because they used to work for an idea, not for money. Capitalism mindset people can't comprehend this, one needs to grow in communism environment to solve that enigma.

How does one prepare to fund their retirement if they don't work for both an idea they believe in and for money  Huh

How do we reward a meritocracy if we don't account for higher productivity with money  Huh

I like to work for an ideal/idea also, but I also want to know that my collaborators and users will be more profitable from it.

Perhaps we will reach an abundance economy one day, and then we will work only for reputation and a gift economy. But for now that is definitely not the case because TPTB (the power-law wealth, power vacuum reality) prevent us from achieving our maximum productivity.

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You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?

No.

SMAMMER!!! PUSSY!!! ( Smiley, iam just reflecting your behaivour on previous threads)

I have not sold any tokens to the public. I realize your IQ is only 90, but I've written this already in this very short thread.

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How does one prepare to fund their retirement if they don't work for both an idea they believe in and for money  Huh

How do we reward a meritocracy if we don't account for higher productivity with money  Huh

I like to work for an ideal/idea also, but I also want to know that my collaborators and users will be more profitable from it.

Well, this forum keeps evidences of me giving 100'000+ USD worth coins (that were supposed to be my property) to the community. It was the real price at that moment and I wouldn't have a problem to cash them out into paper fiat money. So, your rhetorical questions somehow contradict to the observed reality. Maybe you should reconsider your ideals?
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How does one prepare to fund their retirement if they don't work for both an idea they believe in and for money  Huh

How do we reward a meritocracy if we don't account for higher productivity with money  Huh

I like to work for an ideal/idea also, but I also want to know that my collaborators and users will be more profitable from it.

Well, this forum keeps evidences of me giving 100'000+ USD worth coins (that were supposed to be my property) to the community. It was the real price at that moment and I wouldn't have a problem to cash them out into paper fiat money. So, your rhetorical questions somehow contradict to the observed reality. Maybe you should reconsider your ideals?

Huh  Huh

How does giving 1/100th of the money earned from the Nxt pump back to the majority who lost their money address my questions  Huh

This is the Communist philosophy that those who are clever or connected run away with the lion's share while everyone else gets "let them eat cake".

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You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?

No.

SMAMMER!!! PUSSY!!! ( Smiley, iam just reflecting your behaivour on previous threads)

I have not sold any tokens to the public. I realize your IQ is only 90, but I've written this already in this very short thread.

Lol, just lol..  Maybe you should read back your own posts to lol yourself too Smiley
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March 10, 2016, 09:08:21 PM
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You wont have a product  6 months from now ( well make it 12 if you want)..

Wanna bet me with me on that?

No.

SMAMMER!!! PUSSY!!! ( Smiley, iam just reflecting your behaivour on previous threads)

What are you going on about? this thread is for discussing scams.
The fact his analysis of vanilla coin was not positive has nothing to do with him running a scam?
Refute his claims or just deal with it and hope either he is wrong or that your coin can change and adapt due to his advice.

If he was offering ICO and you had

1. suspicion or hoarding and unfair distribution
2. tech analysis he was pumping based on lies regarding his product

then yes but what are you going on about since neither of those is happening?





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March 10, 2016, 09:10:08 PM
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What I wanted to know is what he accomplished before Nxt and JINN/Iota.

Why you didn't ask me if you wanted to know the answer for that question? Sergey accomplished absolutely nothing before the NXT, JINN and IOTA money collections. His only accomplishment is to sell his mediocre software development skill to the idiots who know nothing about software and pray & hope for a healthy return via a blatant P&D. Not a Linkedin material. Go to a Venture Capitalist with this wanker, show his CV ... and then that will be the end of the discussion.
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How does giving 1/100th of the money earned from the Nxt pump back to the majority who lost their money address my questions  Huh

Ah, you think that I controlled 90% of NXT supply. Well, it's a good trick for escaping the reality. 50 yo age is not a good moment to reconsider the whole life I guess...
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Why you didn't ask me if you wanted to know the answer for that question?

You studied my life? Nice, those wounds are still open as I see...
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