POLL - which coins are scams as defined in the OP?

[altcoinUK]

Do you know so far 31 out of 75 people asked on this forum rate IOTA as a scam?  That's rather an alarming amount. Almost worrying.

And the IOTA shit has not even hit the fan. Imagine what will happen when the idiots (i.e. "investors") realize there is no revenue from JINN nor IoT and they have been scammed.

On that note, spread the info that the victims of the JINN/IOTA fraud can send me their personal info and then I will forward it to relevant law enforcements which will be either Norway, UK, Russia or US, depending on the location of the victims. That's how we jailed Ryan Kennedy the Moolah scammer, that's how the Banxshare and Bitbay scams are progressing and being in prosecuting and arrest warrant phase respectively, and that's how these two IOTA wankers will be the girlfriends of the horny prison population. We need to clean up from these scammers the digital currency sector.

[Come-from-Beyond]

can send me their personal info...

...that will be used in next altcoinUK's scam

[TPTB_need_war]

As long as you appear un-threatening, or controllable by means of the overtly structured norms, you can get away with just about anything, if clever, but once you become a threat, you face a trilemma:  Get a bigger gun; grow too many necks to cut off; or, go quietly into the dark night.

That's the grown-up world, children.

The bigger gun is not realistic, because the DEEP STATE can access $trillions charged to the collective.

Collectively going quietly into the night will be the next Dark Age.

Growing too many necks to cut off seems the most realistic, because TPTB (the-powers-that-be) bide their time patiently in this case because they always assume they can subsume any phenomenon due to that fact that economics of profit and capital centralizes into a power-law distribution and the power vacuum of the Iron Law of Political Economics.

Do something to benefit the masses in order to force TPTB to switch from full frontal attack to insidious co-option mode. Or remain insignificant enough to be ignored.

[TPTB_need_war]

Interesting if common USA citizens a happy with disservice provided by their govt.

You have been living in the totalitarian shit hole of Belarus, put up with the totalitarian regime which kills journalists and human right activists

Perhaps one might assume that operating in Belarus and selling illegal unregistered investment securities to non-qualified USA investors would be risk-free. Think again.

12.01.2015
Belarus adopted the law on securities market

On 5 January 2015 the President of the Republic of Belarus signed the Law of the Republic of Belarus “On securities market”. The Law regulates relations concerning emission, circulation and redemption of securities and professional and exchange-trade activity on securities.

The Law was officially published in Russian on the National Legal Internet Portal of the Republic of Belarus on 10 January 2015, and its main provisions enter into force in six months after its official publication.

I think it is highly unethical to operate from behind the Iron Curtain selling investment "scams" to unwary n00bs in the USA. If one limited their ICO token pre-sales to qualified investors (i.e. in the USA that means $1 million liquid net worth and/or a signed statement attesting to their sophiscation), then I wouldn't think the ethics was corrupted.

I simply won't associate professionally with anyone doing that. And such people will remain forever stuck in the business of scamming, because of their past, they will never be accepted into the mainstream where ethics and minimum levels of sane law & order are preferred.

I made some major mistakes in my 30s. I would hope someone younger than me, who still has a chance to change course might think carefully about what I have written. Then again, culture is deeply engrained and probably not pliant.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Perhaps one might assume that operating in Belarus and selling illegal unregistered investment securities to non-qualified USA investors would be risk-free. Think again.

If you read it via Google Translate you wouldn't mention the law. Stop judging books by their titles.

[TPTB_need_war]

Perhaps one might assume that operating in Belarus and selling illegal unregistered investment securities to non-qualified USA investors would be risk-free. Think again.

If you read it via Google Translate you wouldn't mention the law. Stop judging books by their titles.

If you trust a corrupt regime to not sell you to the USA government, then I think you don't understand how rule by criminality works. That is unless you can pay a larger bribe.

My point is once someone heads down the path of unethical choices, there is no turning away from criminality. They enter the dark underworld. The criminal mindset doesn't compute this probability correctly. I am speaking in generalities in this paragraph and not making an accusation.

In order for Communism to flourish, the population must also support criminality. The Bible speaks about this.

Proverbs 1:11-19New International Version (NIV)

11 If they say, “Come along with us;
    let’s lie in wait for innocent blood,
    let’s ambush some harmless soul;
12 let’s swallow them alive, like the grave,
    and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things
    and fill our houses with plunder;
14 cast lots with us;
    we will all share the loot”—
15 my son, do not go along with them,
    do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into evil,
    they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net
    where every bird can see it!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood;
    they ambush only themselves!
19 Such are the paths of all who go after ill-gotten gain;
    it takes away the life of those who get it.

[Come-from-Beyond]

If you trust a corrupt regime to not sell you to the USA government, then I think you don't understand how rule by criminality works. That is unless you can pay a larger bribe.

We discussed this nonsense several times, not going to waste more time on revealing your delusions. The fact that you consider yourself more knowledgable in legislation of numerous countries than the team of Ethereum lawyers already tells a lot.

[TPTB_need_war]

If you trust a corrupt regime to not sell you to the USA government, then I think you don't understand how rule by criminality works. That is unless you can pay a larger bribe.

We discussed this nonsense several times, not going to waste more time on revealing your delusions. The fact that you consider yourself more knowledgable in legislation of numerous countries than the team of Ethereum lawyers already tells a lot.

We are coming to a global monetary reset in the period between 2018 to 2020.

The criminality is being allowed to run rampant with the protection of unharmonised international law.

The global order will be rapidly harmonised upon this global crisis which was done by the elite to destroy the nation-states and usher in the new world order.

This is not a fantasy or something that will happen in the distant future. This will accelerate next year due to the $10 trillion dollar debt the rest of the world must service which will send the US dollar and stock market sky high and send the result of the world collapsing. There will be political support for restructuring the global order and to harmonise legislation to put an end to the rampant criminality wherein the bankers were offshoring their corruption. Ethereum offshored their company and ICO to try to sideskirt ethics. That will never work out for them.

Mark my word. Those who are unethical are planting the seeds for their future misery.

Thanks for reaffirming my findings from summer 2015, that I will never again try to recruit a programmer from Eastern Europe or Russia. I was so naive. I thought given they are algorithmically clever, they would be an asset and that they would appreciate the opportunity to break free from the chains of Communism. Now I understand that instead they view Communism as a desirable feature to operate within.

You can turn over a new leaf perhaps before it is too late. But I don't expect you to. And I want to stop all communication with you. Bye.

[TravelsAsia]

You can't, loser.

Name calling don't improve your reputation, you should reconsider your tactics, unless you post for the sake of posting.

He spends a LOT of time here.

[Come-from-Beyond]

We are coming to a global monetary reset in the period between 2018 to 2020.

Man, countries don't extradict their citizens. It's written in the Constitution of every developed country. You should have started learning the laws from the basics instead of jumping straight to complex cases.

[TPTB_need_war]

We are coming to a global monetary reset in the period between 2018 to 2020.

Man, countries don't extradict their citizens. It's written in the Constitution of every developed country. You should have started learning the laws from the basics instead of jumping straight to complex cases.

You don't seem to understand. I didn't say anything about extradition because I know that Belarus doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.

My point is the unethical choice results in abject poverty and failure. There is always a more powerful gang member within your own hell hole who will extort you.

Americans have succeeded because we believed in law & order and bettering people. Some significant portion of the population has become corrupted (and really embraced Socialism and stealing from each other), but there is still a core that will break free of the corrupted portion of the USA. Trump is indicative that the productive and conservative sector of the USA is beginning to rise up.

Unethical systems always devolve into abject failure.

[albert_mt]

Purchased for $1000s (you claim 25 of them) just to vote on this shit poll  

The dude has already owned a lot to pump coins he invested into. This is how he conducts scams like the one in GadgetCoin prevented by me.

man, why do you lie? what GadgetCoin scam you prevented? i have invested in both IOTA and GadgetCoin. iotatoken the other IOTA developer asked us to stay away from altcoinuk and i comply with his request. i stopped immediately talking to altcoinuk, but man, stop your lies about GadgetCoin.

The GadgetCoin developers have done nothing against you. even the GadgetCoin devs closed the thread to stop altcoinuk's attacks on IOTA. this is what mtomcdev the lead GDC dev wrote us back then: "We have nothing but respect for the lead IOTA developer Come-from-Beyond and we certainly don't want to criticise his new venture". now you call them scammer?

i am seriously concerned about my IOTA investment when i see your lies and trolling. please stop this shit what you do here and go to develop IOTA.

[Come-from-Beyond]

You don't see to understand. I didn't say anything about extradition because I know that Belarus doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.

My point is the unethical choice results in abject poverty and failure. There is always a more powerful gang member within your own hell hole who will extort you.

I'm not interested in politics, let's stop on that your post.

[Come-from-Beyond]

what GadgetCoin scam you prevented?

GadgetCoin wasn't a scam, re-read my original post before jumping to the conclusion, wasn't it clear that I was talking about altcoinUK who attempted to use GadgetCoin as an instrument?

[TPTB_need_war]

I was talking to the GadgetCoin devs on one day only while this was all going on. And I even advised them that CfB's implementation is probably legit. And I sort of leaned them towards not burning their bridges with Iota, even though David (iotatoken) is a hothead for threatening (in a private message) to sue me for simply writing my IANAL opinions/research about the implications of USA securities regulation. And I told them that apparently some people are claiming the ICO/JINN is shady.

Nevertheless I am sad to report that my conclusion after investigating is there is no money in IoT (now, maybe a decade from now but the corporations are looking for open source and open solution, not some proprietary token launched from scammy ICO). It is just another buzzword and these coins want to get endorsement from some big corporations, so they can go pump the tokens. I understand altcoinUK's expose on Iota could cause problems for such a marketing model.

I tried to see if we could do some collaboration around the Streemo code w.r.t. to my social networking plans. But it just doesn't seem to fit. So I had to just fall away from that discussion. The Gadget coin folks I was exposed to seemed to be ethical as far as I could tell.

I am interested in creating software that users use and I get feedback from them daily and they have feature requests for me. That is what I find rewarding. All these strategies for mining investors is so far removed from what I think software development is all about.

So I am almost out-of-here. Will finish up and bite my tongue and let go of this place...

[albert_mt]

what GadgetCoin scam you prevented?

GadgetCoin wasn't a scam, re-read my original post before jumping to the conclusion, wasn't it clear that I was talking about altcoinUK who attempted to use GadgetCoin as an instrument?

instrument of what? GDC is not even on exchanges, it is a closed company share investment. man, the GDC developers don't deserve this shit from you. the GDC investors don't deserve your lies about Gadgetcoin man. only altcoinuk attacks IOTA, but he attacks everybody, bitbay, vericoin, LISK,his attacks nothing to do with Gadgetcoin. no other GDC investor said a bad word about IOTA. some of us,
tobeaj2mer01, Netzer and me even invested in IOTA and we support it. when i see your trolling in many threads I start to think my IOTA investment was a bad decision.

[Come-from-Beyond]

man, the GDC developers don't deserve this shit from you.

You obviously don't get me or don't want to get.

[albert_mt]

I was talking to the GadgetCoin devs while this was all going on. And I even advised them that CfB's implementation is probably legit. And I sort of leaned them towards not burning their bridges with Iota, even though David (iotatoken) is a hothead for threatening (in a private message) to sue me for simply writing my IANAL opinions/research about the implications of USA securities regulation.

Nevertheless I am sad to report that my conclusion after investigating is there is no money in IoT (now, maybe a decade from now but the corporations are looking for open source and open solution, not some proprietary token launched from scammy ICO). It is just another buzzword and these coins want to get endorsement from some big corporations, so they can go pump the tokens. I understand altcoinUK's expose on Iota could cause problems for such a marketing model.

I tried to see if we could do some collaboration around the Streemo code w.r.t. to my social networking plans. But it just doesn't seem to fit. So I had to just fall away from that discussion. The Gadget coin folks I was exposed to seemed to be ethical as far as I could tell.

I am interested in creating software that users use and I get feedback from them daily and they have feature requests for me. That is what I find rewarding. All these strategies for mining investors is so far removed from what I think software development is all about.

So I am almost out-of-here. Will finish up and bite my tongue and let go of this place...

thank you for your civil post. you are right and the GDc investors understand you are right. it is very difficult to make money in IoT with a digital currency token. it is being discussed in the GadgetCoin Ryver forum.

[TPTB_need_war]

man, the GDC developers don't deserve this shit from you.

You obviously don't get me or don't want to get.

albert what CfB is apparently stating is that he believes altcoinUK was trying to use GadgetCoin as a foundation from which to discredit and attack Iota, thus damaging GadgetCoin also.

CfB, but my point to you is that these misunderstandings are just scratching the surface of failures that will arise from being associated with unethical endeavors. If the ICO/JINN stuff wasn't so shady, altcoinUK would have nothing to peg on you.

I am also finding it incredulous that you think you can out innovate Intel and other hugely capitalized semiconductor companies with a "trinary" processor. Do you even have any PhD researchers with a decade of work in this area?

Even without really investigating fully, I can already smell that JINN is pre-selling a one-way space junket to the money vortex Ur-anus.

I bit my tongue up to now, out of respect for your ability to code and the fact that Iota had some tech that helped my thought process (even though I think a DAG can't converge without centralized control). Also because you had mostly been cordial and it seemed you had sensitivity for others and you seemed open-minded as well w.r.t. to technology discussion even when it was critical. But then you made the mistake of trolling me in this thread, and I started to think about why am I pulling my punches w.r.t. Iota   The more I hear and think about the ICO/JINN, the harder it is for me to think of it being ethical. The real sensitivity for others is not doing unethical pumps to unwary n00bs. And to pursue real projects with real adoption and ethical out in the open business (e.g. have a LinkedIn account and have a history and a reputation).

[albert_mt]

man, the GDC developers don't deserve this shit from you.

You obviously don't get me or don't want to get.

ok, if you say so i should believe you.