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February 01, 2013, 07:16:56 AM
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I would like to point out that power estimates exceeded expectations for the Minirig.  So if you want to talk track record, it's a wash.  So stop with your lies about how we've never estimated power properly.  We made ONE (count it), ONE mistake..

One out of two is a pretty mediocre average to be touting the way you are.
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February 01, 2013, 07:30:16 AM
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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

BTW, for creativeIdiot who keeps bitching about BFLs power estimates, I would like to point out that power estimates exceeded expectations for the Minirig.  So if you want to talk track record, it's a wash.  So stop with your lies about how we've never estimated power properly.  We made ONE (count it), ONE mistake and you've been banking on it forever.  Of course, you just can't be bothered to mention that the minirig power estimates came in under spec, for which we over delivered on promises.  God forbid you tell the truth in all your bullshit.

Actually you didn't ship on time either, not even close. Power estimates wrong, shipping estimates wrong. Stick to your pie in the sky estimates bud and don't try to stand on your record...it sucks. Wink

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February 01, 2013, 07:37:10 AM
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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

BTW, for creativeIdiot who keeps bitching about BFLs power estimates, I would like to point out that power estimates exceeded expectations for the Minirig.  So if you want to talk track record, it's a wash.  So stop with your lies about how we've never estimated power properly.  We made ONE (count it), ONE mistake and you've been banking on it forever.  Of course, you just can't be bothered to mention that the minirig power estimates came in under spec, for which we over delivered on promises.  God forbid you tell the truth in all your bullshit.


Josh, awww the baby wanna cry because you weren't the first to ship?

Well hopefully this time you guys can stick to your damn timeline and stop making kindergarten type excuses.

Most people would rather have a working ASIC in their hands than nothing at all but excuses from you.

Mark my words: You delay one more time and your preorder customers will request refunds in a wave the size of a tsunami that will make you want to pee pee your pants as I doubt your precious BFL business can handle refunding ALL customer preorders at once.

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February 01, 2013, 09:33:06 AM
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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

You could even re-use the power supply and the control board!

Puerto, you're right. I was wrong. The Avalon is modular enough that you can throw out or sell those Avalon chips and put BFL cards in them! That is a killer feature.
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February 01, 2013, 10:30:34 AM
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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

You missed out a few steps: get into a time/alternate reality travel machine, go to whatever dimension you can obtain 12 working BFL SC Singles, procure, return to genuine reality, realise they were all a figment of your imagination.

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February 01, 2013, 11:56:37 AM
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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

You could even re-use the power supply and the control board!

Puerto, you're right. I was wrong. The Avalon is modular enough that you can throw out or sell those Avalon chips and put BFL cards in them! That is a killer feature.

Ha, you could fit, what, 6-9 Single boards in Avalon's case? And it has built in fans, so that's convenient Wink

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I can put in an order for (possibly) $350 and upgrade my units up to 90Gh/s. Do you think BFL will ramp up their small box/clamshell configuration to run up to 90Gh/s?

Looks like it's $500. So $2000 for 90GH/s. Same cost and H/s as a BFL single + little single + raspberry pi to run them, and BFL's two units still take up less space and use less power than the non-upgraded Avalon.

If BFL ships, Avalon will be just barely keeping up with BFL in H/$ and still way behind in H/J.

Because people would still be willing to pay more once they know what it is they are getting.

Okay, say I want to buy a device for mining, and I want it to remain profitable for at least a year. That means I am looking for a device with the following features:

  • mining
  • low power

Sure, Avalon could have some extra awesome feature, but unless that feature increases mining (maybe it sees the future so it knows which nonce it will be without hashing?) or reduced power (maybe it includes 16 100W solar panels to keep the unit online for free?) then the unit is not going to be superior than a boring competing unit which does the same mining for 1/4 of the power.
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I 'll ask you later on if you are still thinking along the same lines. (Don't worry, I know it won't make sense to you until later.)

Yes, I'm still thinking along the same lines. (If it wasn't obvious, I meant "increase mining without making the power usage even worse".) They've effectively allowed you to buy 1/3 of a second unit. This is useful for people who have $2000 but not $3000, space for 4U but not 8U, and free power. "Serious" miners will be getting multiple units anyway (and 4 normal units is as good as 3 upgraded units).

The only undeniable advantage is that Avalon has shipped and BFL has not (and that's a pretty fucking big one), but this has nothing to do with the magic feature.
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Beyond that, Revision 2 Avalon units will have up to 6 modules for upgrades (up to 132Gh/s). So the box will likely be a bit bigger but more expandable. Hence the price hike I'd bet.

They were originally intending to charge $1999 for Batch 2.

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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  Just a bit more wattage than a 4 card Avalon and you'll have room to spare AND you'll get almost 3/4 of a TH out of an Avalon.

BTW, for creativeIdiot who keeps bitching about BFLs power estimates, I would like to point out that power estimates exceeded expectations for the Minirig.  So if you want to talk track record, it's a wash.  So stop with your lies about how we've never estimated power properly.  We made ONE (count it), ONE mistake and you've been banking on it forever.  Of course, you just can't be bothered to mention that the minirig power estimates came in under spec, for which we over delivered on promises.  God forbid you tell the truth in all your bullshit.



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If BFL ships... It will be WAR.
<65nm chips in 3 months.

BFL, please, ship!

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If BFL ships... It will be WAR.
<65nm chips in 3 months.

BFL, please, ship!

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Hey... you can get an Avalon unit to do 720 GH/s.  It's totally easy.  Just put 12 BFL singles in the case.  

12*0=0, not 720
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12*0=0, not 720
You are right if you're telling about this very moment. So, PuertoLibre has got 0 GH/s yet, so it's a draw.
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Of course they can do that, if they've paid off their initial NRE and have $500k? to spare for moving to a smaller process. The result will be a product similar in efficiency to BFL products, but most likely months after BFL has already met most of the demand.

I don't think you quite understand what is going on.  First, pulling from history we need to remember that BFL dropped the "bombshell" about ASIC in early autumn 2012.  The fact that there is any competition is amazing.  It was announced so early, it if like they were trying to scare away competition.

I saw this, because how Bitcoin works and what ASIC represents.  We are now in a cold war in regards to increasing hashing power and diminishing rewards.  If you are doing any ASIC, you are locked in or you will get out period...  The fact the Avalon has shipped (I believe this week we will see many units coming online), is very significant and you can't not dismiss the impact.   If they can ramp up their (Avalon) production and get GEN 2 ready by later summer, they may be able to continue to increase the hashing power and difficulty to a point where further ASIC development is just plain, unprofitable. 

I made a chart with all the shipping dates announced and estimated total network hashing with estimated difficulty, there are two contrasting scenarios, one where BFL comes ahead and one where they don't and it is all tied into a few keys dates and how much hashing they actually sold and ship.   The next 3 months will be defining.   

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The only undeniable advantage is that Avalon has shipped and BFL has not (and that's a pretty fucking big one), but this has nothing to do with the magic feature.
2 units in the wild, I just can not describe as shipped!
This I call as promotion joke!
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The only undeniable advantage is that Avalon has shipped and BFL has not (and that's a pretty fucking big one), but this has nothing to do with the magic feature.
2 units in the wild, I just can not describe as shipped!
This I call as promotion joke!

You know what I call a promotional joke. When BFL is willing to have their customers wait to see what the competition will come up with.

but hey! you seem to be ok to bash a competitor that at-least tried to put their customers first. So sad we obtain that level of customer service from a communist company.

Like I have said before I appreciate the service Avalon has done for the community to actually put the fire under BFL's ass.
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Only if Avalon sells more than 300 > 600 at a time... as there seems to be a large market for ASIC given the fact they "PRESELL" like hotcakes. Wonder what the total market would be?

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