New Thoughts and Ideas

[morantis]

This is simply a thread where people can share new thoughts and ideas.  An example from a few years back might be the Bitcoin debit card that has come out over the past year or so. That is a great idea for a service that is making it around. 

The ideas can be for services, like the debit card.  Website or organizational ideas, like a site where people can compare the exchange rates they recently traded at.  Technical ideas, like burn wallets.

If posting an idea here I would expect both criticism and support, be prepared for someone to play the devil's advocate.  They may mention things like trust and legal issues.  Also, be prepared to hear that the idea has been done and you just happened to miss it. 

For those that are "helping", please be kind.  There is a difference between "I just don't see that idea working" and "How F-----ing stupid are you?"

I hope that no one here steals an idea from another person, but it could happen.  I would rather see a person with great ideas and little technical or business know-how team up with a person that can make their idea happen.  While you can steal one idea and run with it, do not forget that you are leaving behind the person that thought of it and likely has more thoughts like that to come.  This is a place for sharing and teamwork.  Do not forget that without Paul Allen, none of us would have heard of Bill Gates.

I will only moderate this thread for outright SPAM and outright MEANNESS. 

[ivanst776]

there is a idea in my mind to make a online website and teach peoples about bitcoin via video tutorials. I mean making of video tutorials and telling peoples how they can make money through bitcoin. and which site is legit and which is scam.. don't know what other say about it.

[pawel7777]

As discussed in other thread - it would be useful if someone could create (and maintain) directory of BTC accepting merchants, but only those who offer special discounts (or other benefits) when paying BTC as compared to fiat payments.

[Hirose UK]

there is a idea in my mind to make a online website and teach peoples about bitcoin via video tutorials. I mean making of video tutorials and telling peoples how they can make money through bitcoin. and which site is legit and which is scam.. don't know what other say about it.

that's kind of good idea I think. if people just listen up the explanation of bitcoin, they maybe don't understand what we're talking about, but if they see the tutorials, they can try then believe in it.

[target]

I have this idea and i think people will eventually knew this so its okay. i hope someone really create such.

I wanted to create a bitcoin adnetwork solely for adult sites only, which means if you are into bitcoin and tried to browse elsewhere but landed to a bitcoin related site which is also within this adnetwork i own, you'll be possibly prompted with bitcoin adult ads

[Jet Cash]

How about a publicity campaign that stops telling people how they can make money with Bitcoin, and tells them how they can use Bitcoin in their everyday life.

[fuathan]

How about a publicity campaign that stops telling people how they can make money with Bitcoin, and tells them how they can use Bitcoin in their everyday life.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Many people just thing that BTC is a money making thing. It is just a revolutionary currency... 

[louisLavery]

I like the idea of P2P mobile phones, no service provider required. Phones connect directly if in range otherwise they hop via other phones to reach their target. Phones that are hopped through get paid a fee for acting as a relay. So you earn while acting as a relay and spend when making calls that need to go through other phones. I'm not sure if this could work with bitcoin, the main question is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It can't wait for confirmations, that'd not work. So can it work with bitcoin?

[calkob]

As discussed in other thread - it would be useful if someone could create (and maintain) directory of BTC accepting merchants, but only those who offer special discounts (or other benefits) when paying BTC as compared to fiat payments.

This has def been done before, i cant remember exactlly where but someone should come up with a link, i will have a look for it and add it to this post.

[calkob]

As discussed in other thread - it would be useful if someone could create (and maintain) directory of BTC accepting merchants, but only those who offer special discounts (or other benefits) when paying BTC as compared to fiat payments.

This has def been done before, i cant remember exactlly where but someone should come up with a link, i will have a look for it and add it to this post.

[greBit]

there is a idea in my mind to make a online website and teach peoples about bitcoin via video tutorials. I mean making of video tutorials and telling peoples how they can make money through bitcoin. and which site is legit and which is scam.. don't know what other say about it.

that's kind of good idea I think. if people just listen up the explanation of bitcoin, they maybe don't understand what we're talking about, but if they see the tutorials, they can try then believe in it.

Yes, it will be good that more people get to know about bitcoin and more advantage will see towards the bitcoin growth. my idea as of now is to use the bitcoin and make the decent income with it.

[franky1]

I'd like the idea of P2P mobile phones, no service provider required. Phones connect directly if in range otherwise they hop via other phones to reach their target. Phones that are hopped through get paid a fee for acting as a relay. So you earn while acting as a relay and spend when making calls that need to go through other phones. I'm not sure if this could work with bitcoin, the main question is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It can't wait for confirmations, that'd not work. So can it work with bitcoin?

good in basic theory. but in practice, some have alrady tried this. here are some issues found
some people thought about sing bluetooth to connect to people locally. the issue is that with mobile phones. people walk around. meaning it will keep dropping every time people using the network move more then 100 metres apart.

another proposal was people setting up their own cell antennas. this issue is with the eventual solo-owners(thousands of people independent).. would start to become a pool. where only a few people own many masts.. much like the mobile network today

[alyssa85]

An example from a few years back might be the Bitcoin debit card that has come out over the past year or so. That is a great idea for a service that is making it around. 

 

This is not a service idea, but just a marketing one: I'd really like it if the bitcoin debit card people issued statistics on how many people were using it and what the total amounts are.

Very often people won't adopt something unless they know other people are doing it. At the moment we've got all these services but no idea if anyone is actually using them.

[morantis]

there is a idea in my mind to make a online website and teach peoples about bitcoin via video tutorials. I mean making of video tutorials and telling peoples how they can make money through bitcoin. and which site is legit and which is scam.. don't know what other say about it.

The videos are a good idea, although I think that there are too many scam sites coming and going to make a video about each one.  At least if the videos are of any quality.  After the tutorials you could break down the week with a video covering all of that and one video per  week could still be made with a good level of quality.

[morantis]

As discussed in other thread - it would be useful if someone could create (and maintain) directory of BTC accepting merchants, but only those who offer special discounts (or other benefits) when paying BTC as compared to fiat payments.

Great idea, although it may take some time for a site like that to get any real meat on the bone.  You could combine that with other info in the beginning and as time goes by and more merchants are added start losing the other content.

[morantis]

I have this idea and i think people will eventually knew this so its okay. i hope someone really create such.

I wanted to create a bitcoin adnetwork solely for adult sites only, which means if you are into bitcoin and tried to browse elsewhere but landed to a bitcoin related site which is also within this adnetwork i own, you'll be possibly prompted with bitcoin adult ads

Not saying anything bad.  I like ad networks of all kinds, but I am a little confused by your explanation.  It seems like you are wanting a redirect from a site that does not have your ads to a site that does?

[morantis]

How about a publicity campaign that stops telling people how they can make money with Bitcoin, and tells them how they can use Bitcoin in their everyday life.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Many people just thing that BTC is a money making thing. It is just a revolutionary currency... 

I think you might need the money-making stuff to get people there and then have about 90% real-life applications and the rest money-making.  We have done a lot of blogs and forums in the past and it is sometimes what gets them in the door is the greed, but what keeps them there is real-life common sense.

[morantis]

I'd like the idea of P2P mobile phones, no service provider required. Phones connect directly if in range otherwise they hop via other phones to reach their target. Phones that are hopped through get paid a fee for acting as a relay. So you earn while acting as a relay and spend when making calls that need to go through other phones. I'm not sure if this could work with bitcoin, the main question is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It can't wait for confirmations, that'd not work. So can it work with bitcoin?

good in basic theory. but in practice, some have alrady tried this. here are some issues found
some people thought about sing bluetooth to connect to people locally. the issue is that with mobile phones. people walk around. meaning it will keep dropping every time people using the network move more then 100 metres apart.

another proposal was people setting up their own cell antennas. this issue is with the eventual solo-owners(thousands of people independent).. would start to become a pool. where only a few people own many masts.. much like the mobile network today

I see one of two scenarios that are "affordable".  Most of the newer cell companies rent the towers and data stream from a pre-existing network.  If you work that somehow then you are using the FIAT system to pay to make the whole thing possible and that is fine.  Otherwise the system will have to be built from the ground up and that is very expensive.  Not just equipment, like towers, but fees to the states and to the feds, you may even get to the point where you need a satellite or two.  Then, you have to either integrate the system with the current system so that your users could call people off the P2P network or wait a very long time for it to gain speed and popularity.  I have seen a lot of tech that I waited years for it to be used enough to be useful to me.  I even remember the first cell phones in the early 80's.  You could only call others that were on the same network.  Thirty years later, mass use of cell phones.

[louisLavery]

I'd like the idea of P2P mobile phones, no service provider required. Phones connect directly if in range otherwise they hop via other phones to reach their target. Phones that are hopped through get paid a fee for acting as a relay. So you earn while acting as a relay and spend when making calls that need to go through other phones. I'm not sure if this could work with bitcoin, the main question is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It can't wait for confirmations, that'd not work. So can it work with bitcoin?

good in basic theory. but in practice, some have alrady tried this. here are some issues found
some people thought about sing bluetooth to connect to people locally. the issue is that with mobile phones. people walk around. meaning it will keep dropping every time people using the network move more then 100 metres apart.

another proposal was people setting up their own cell antennas. this issue is with the eventual solo-owners(thousands of people independent).. would start to become a pool. where only a few people own many masts.. much like the mobile network today

AIUI, bluetooth is too short range, but what's the range of a mobile itself? They all, at present, have to connect with an antenna. The range seems to be highly variable but with a well sited mast it's about 35km[1]. Phone to phone is a lot less, about 2km according to this blog[2]. TerraNet[3] is a firm working on P2P, or mesh, networks, but it's unlikely we'll see such a system kick off in developed countries first. I mean, what would be the business model? That's one of the downsides of capitalism, if there's no profit then who's going to invest time and effort to kick off a P2P phone network, even if it would result in a system that would compete with the status quo and so likely drive down prices and/or improve the current private phone services[4]? A P2P network will more likely start in undeveloped countries, but will they be crushed by private firms as the country develops?

Seems to me, besides the lack of a business model, the only problems preventing a P2P network from coming about are technical (1) algorithms to route and  link distant phones (2) how to pay phones to relay calls on. It's perfectly possible to connect over short ranges (I think TerraNet is limited to 7 hops/relays). But as anyone can connect to the system it'd be possible for anyone to set up an antenna to relay calls on - the cost of entering the market is very low. If you live in a high rise flat, or on top of a hill, just get yourself a few cheap phones and the electronics to boost the signal and you're earning bitcoins (assuming that's the currency used in the system). So I don't see the range cannot match what private system do now, people are very innovative - especially if they stand to gain and cost of entry to the market is low. Also, I see no reason why phones cannot link to a local Wi-Fi point, maybe in a private house (which gets paid) and thus can go via the internet to make the call.

But I come back to my original question about bitcion being suitable as a currency for such a system, that is "can a phone acting as a relay be sure it will get paid?" It cannot wait for confirmations. Can it rely on a (crypotgraphically) signed transaction? I guess to be sure it'd have to check the wallet is not empty, but even then it'd be in danger of losing out to a double spend! Still, I doubt many would go to the trouble of cheating the system if it were cheap enough. I don't know enough about the mechanics of bitcoin to answer the question myself, that's why I'm asking here.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_site
[2] http://agonist.org/p2p_style_mobile_phones/
[3] http://terranet.se/?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=8&id=17&Itemid=62
[4] But then again, who would spend time and effort kicking off a virtual currency which is controlled by its users instead of a central body?

[RealPhotoshoper]

This is simply a thread where people can share new thoughts and ideas.  An example from a few years back might be the Bitcoin debit card that has come out over the past year or so. That is a great idea for a service that is making it around. 

The ideas can be for services, like the debit card.  Website or organizational ideas, like a site where people can compare the exchange rates they recently traded at.  Technical ideas, like burn wallets.

If posting an idea here I would expect both criticism and support, be prepared for someone to play the devil's advocate.  They may mention things like trust and legal issues.  Also, be prepared to hear that the idea has been done and you just happened to miss it. 

For those that are "helping", please be kind.  There is a difference between "I just don't see that idea working" and "How F-----ing stupid are you?"

I hope that no one here steals an idea from another person, but it could happen.  I would rather see a person with great ideas and little technical or business know-how team up with a person that can make their idea happen.  While you can steal one idea and run with it, do not forget that you are leaving behind the person that thought of it and likely has more thoughts like that to come.  This is a place for sharing and teamwork.  Do not forget that without Paul Allen, none of us would have heard of Bill Gates.

I will only moderate this thread for outright SPAM and outright MEANNESS. 

i hope idea is booked on some thread, wish moderator can help to create thread about idea,and we would more easy to disscuss about our idea,not just on this post and so many quotes.