BFL Announcement Trolling Museum #2

[creativex]

Thanks for illustrating my point as to why this forum is useless for intelligent discourse, CreativeX, I can always count on you.

I had not so much as addressed you in this thread, let alone insulted you until you hurled your usual childish insults at me specifically, not once but twice.

You've no interest in intelligent discourse, if you were you'd stop hurling insults at anyone that disagrees with anything you say.

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[Puppet]

FTFY

FFS, you didnt fix anything, you just ruined the page. Learn to apply width tags or dont bother "helping"

[meowmeowbrowncow]

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That was then.  We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means of discourse
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An open forum where dissent isn't squashed is not a good platform for a party line aka marketing.


If the mods were to silence all those who have expressed a negative opinion it would be outright censorship - to BFL's favor.


If you think there are only a handful of dissenters you're wrong.


So, to fix this the accurate thing to say would be 'We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means to further discuss our marketing in a way that promotes our brand'

[RHA]

Puppet, don't bother advising with no real advice.

[Inaba]

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That was then.  We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means of discourse
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An open forum where dissent isn't squashed is not a good platform for a party line aka marketing.


If the mods were to silence all those who have expressed a negative opinion it would be outright censorship - to BFL's favor.


If you think there are only a handful of dissenters you're wrong.

Dissension is not the problem (there's plenty of it on the BFL forums) - stupidity, lies and nonsense are the problems.  Take Greyhawk for example... his post was an outright lie, whether that's from ignorance or a willful act makes no difference.  He is posting inflammatory information that is false strictly to be an asshole and for no other purpose.  That is a useless post.  If you have legitimate dissension, post it respectfully and without your own particular brand of stupidity and you'll get a good response.  Contrary to what some would have you believe, I do not respond to respectful posters who have legitimate gripes with vitriol and contempt.  If you approach me like an adult, I respond to you like an adult.  If you approach me like a slobbering idiot, I have nothing but contempt for you and I'll let you know it.  In cases where you are a habitual liar and FUDraker, like CreativeX, PuertoLibre, etc... it's almost impossible for me to take anything said by them at face value.  They have proven they are incapable of holding intelligent conversation over and over, so there's no point in even making the attempt.

[joshv06]

I'm sorry, but the BFL ASICs are 4 months late.. and counting.. I have 2 SC pre-orders and am pissed. Inaba, it is really unprofessional to let any troll get to you.. Don't you have some Asics to ship out rather than typing out long posts about how someone on the internet is a dumbass because you disagree with them?

[creativex]

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That was then.  We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means of discourse
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An open forum where dissent isn't squashed is not a good platform for a party line aka marketing.


If the mods were to silence all those who have expressed a negative opinion it would be outright censorship - to BFL's favor.


If you think there are only a handful of dissenters you're wrong.

Dissension is not the problem (there's plenty of it on the BFL forums) - stupidity, lies and nonsense are the problems.  Take Greyhawk for example... his post was an outright lie, whether that's from ignorance or a willful act makes no difference.  He is posting inflammatory information that is false strictly to be an asshole and for no other purpose.  That is a useless post.  If you have legitimate dissension, post it respectfully and without your own particular brand of stupidity and you'll get a good response.  Contrary to what some would have you believe, I do not respond to respectful posters who have legitimate gripes with vitriol and contempt.  If you approach me like an adult, I respond to you like an adult.  If you approach me like a slobbering idiot, I have nothing but contempt for you and I'll let you know it.  In cases where you are a habitual liar and FUDraker, like CreativeX, PuertoLibre, etc... it's almost impossible for me to take anything said by them at face value.  They have proven they are incapable of holding intelligent conversation over and over, so there's no point in even making the attempt.

Why would someone address you like an adult when you act like a child? You're crying because of what Greyhawk posted and you just start up with your tantrums and insult everyone you don't like. Stop sniveling  and act like an officer of a company.

You receive no respect because you give none.

[Inaba]

See, there you go again, posting bullshit CreativeX.  This is why you appear to be completely incapable of posting honest information. Even something as simple and mundane as this you just can't resist posting a pack of lies.

Greyhawk lied in a post to which I had absolutely nothing to do with:

What is the latest forecast timeline for BFL now?

It is subject to change, because Josh is trying to knock off 7 days off the 2 day projected bumping process.  

He initiated this falsehood on his own, with no input from me.  Ergo your idiotic statement about me "crying because of what Greyhawk posted" is demonstrably false.  No matter how many times I demonstrate what you say is false and provide you with evidence, you are incapable of understanding simple logic.  You are, in a word, an idiot.  This is why I barely bother with you anymore and I probably shouldn't even bother engaging in this pointless discussion with you.  You simply can not grasp the concept of simple logic, it's so far beyond you that it's unlikely you will ever be able to obtain it.

YOU receive no respect because you deserve none.  I give respect to people who post intelligent, thoughtful posts with well reasoned arguments.  You have never, to my knowledge, demonstrated even the slightest ability to make an intelligent, thoughtful or well reasoned post.  All of your posts are rhetoric, lies and false information.  This is not an opinion.  Your lies have been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, backed up by your own words and contradictions, but you simply refuse to admit that you are too stupid to understand the actual conversation and back out gracefully, instead pushing forward like a small child determined to insert himself into the conversation between adults.

I dare you to try to post nothing but factual information for one week.  Just try it, see where it gets you.  To date, you've been unable to go more than a few posts without posting false information, I doubt you can make it a day, but a day is meaningless to well reasoned adults.  So if you can make it a week, I might have a shred of respect for you, but until you can stop posting false information, constant lies and bullshit, you deserve zero respect from anyone and I have nothing but contempt for you.  You provide nothing of value to this community (or any community I would imagine, given what I've seen here.)

[PuertoLibre]

As usual, you are an idiot, greyhawk.  Do you even try to make posts that fit reality or do you just post shit to see what you can get away with?  Are you trying to take PuertoRetard and CreativeIdiot's place in the top dumbasses of BitcoinTalk?

Here is the current projected timeline:

Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
< 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units

Our biggest hold up right now is the bumping and we have that taken care of, but we are trying to get that expedited and shave some days off (hopefully up to 7 days! Probably not that much though.). I'm waiting to hear back with regards to the expedite request and if they can speed thing up before I post the timeline, as it will affect it by up to five days depending on the outcome of that.

If you're not trying to shave off 7 days off the 2 days in bumping, maybe learn how to write better?  

Again, like countless times before, Inaba (BFL Josh) is caught in yet another lie.

Greyhawk is not a troll. Calling someone "an idiot" when you are caught with your pants down between your ankles does not make anyone else an idiot or a retard other than you. (For getting caught)

[creativex]

Everyone's an idiot, a liar, a retard, a troll, or some combination thereof save Josh of course.

Just ship a product bud. Stop the constant accusations, petty insults, and drama and ship. You guys are already behind Avalon and ASICMiner despite starting ahead of them. Do your job.

[PuertoLibre]

edit:  even as old as I am, I still have not learned to just shut up and listen

And you never will. I certainly didn't. 

God you are an idiot.  You are definitely CreativeX level of incompetence and stupidity, congratulations for removing any doubt.

Bumping will take less than a day, actually, but we are allocating two days just in case.  Set up and tooling is what takes the most time, which is what we are trying to shave down.  Do I need to give you a quarter as well to go buy a clue?  Hell, go get it from Bryan Micon, the racist, homophobe... he never used his, so I'm sure he's still got it.

I appreciate you taking the time to post here with such an informative post, but the rest of us (your customers) would like a little more information. Where are you guys exactly in your schedule, and are there any delays to your week-of-the-10th shipping date?

BFL does not communicate with it's customers on BitcoinTalk, you'll have to come to the BFL forums if you want real information.  As evidenced by greyhawk, it's impossible to hold intelligent conversation here with people like him around, retarding up the place.

False, they have answered customer questions in an official capacity under various names. That is a fact.

[nbtcminer]

So we're looking at the 8th as the final date as to when BFL receives their FPGA chips for bumping?

[PuertoLibre]

edit:  even as old as I am, I still have not learned to just shut up and listen

And you never will. I certainly didn't.  

God you are an idiot.  You are definitely CreativeX level of incompetence and stupidity, congratulations for removing any doubt.

Bumping will take less than a day, actually, but we are allocating two days just in case.  Set up and tooling is what takes the most time, which is what we are trying to shave down.  Do I need to give you a quarter as well to go buy a clue?  Hell, go get it from Bryan Micon, the racist, homophobe... he never used his, so I'm sure he's still got it.

I appreciate you taking the time to post here with such an informative post, but the rest of us (your customers) would like a little more information. Where are you guys exactly in your schedule, and are there any delays to your week-of-the-10th shipping date?

BFL does not communicate with it's customers on BitcoinTalk, you'll have to come to the BFL forums if you want real information.  As evidenced by greyhawk, it's impossible to hold intelligent conversation here with people like him around, retarding up the place.

Not to be ass, Josh, but I believe you may be in error on this one (bold above).

If I remember, the silicon is 17x17mm.  The package is 29x29mm.  I'll measure it and confirm when I get into the office today.

I didn't do the research, but there's a slight possibility user BFL was directing the above reply to non-customers only.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

That was then.  We have abandoned BitcoinTalk as a useful means of discourse, it's likely beyond repair at this point, unless the mods grow some nads and actually ... you know ... moderate (It looked promising a couple weeks ago, but that quickly faded into nothing).  Until people like PuertoLibre, CreativeX, Greyhawk, et al are banned and/or moderated into oblivion it's pointless to have any sort of serious discussion here.  When a large portion of the posters in a thread have absolutely nothing useful to add to the conversation, the signal to noise ration spirals out of control.  The above mentioned people are just a small subset of the wastes of humanity that post here... they are incapable of intelligent discourse so they just wreck the place because it's amusing.

Hey, don't knock the moderators.

They actually have to put up with reading your posts and not tapping that Ban button. That takes a LOT of ZEN and practice to achieve that much.

In fact, you ought to compensate them. I believe you are desensitizing them to the point that they compare regular trolls to the likes of you (Inaba/Josh).

At that point no troll can overcome your blazing style of trollmanship.

No one trolls Bitcointalk as hard as you do. If they can't/won't ban you...then why would they ban the lessor trolls?

I didn't start tapping out crap till you started naming people by name. Learn not to be so insulting even when it isn't necessary. Otherwise you have to accept that you are creating your own troll-ish conditions.

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You ask Mods to ignore your trolling (and flames) but to ban others?

Get a grip. (No, that is not an invitation to troll more.)

Just post something useful, informative and not personal. There you go, the start of a useful post.

[Inaba]

PuertoRetard, like CreativeX, you are beyond repair for any respect. I'm creating my own trollish conditions?  You post this nonsense after I just demonstrated that Greyhawk decided to post a pack of bullshit which I responded to.  Go one, show me where I initiate a troll and not responding to one like yourself?  If it has happened at all, it's few and far between, unlike yourself and the rest of the crew of normal idiots who inhabit BitcoinTalk... you yourself initiate posts repeatedly with false information and I respond to them, end of story.  Stop posting false information and I won't respond to it.  If I have to correct your posts because you're incapable of understanding basic concepts that are being discussed, then don't blame me for trolling.  You were the one too stupid to post real information and then you throw a tantrum when I correct you.  If it wasn't habitual with you, I wouldn't be so harsh, but you've proven time and again you can't behave yourself, so you get zero respect and nothing but contempt from me.  Behave yourself and you'll get respect, fail to do so, and you'll get what you get and I'll laugh at you whining and crying and sending email and after email to my employer trying to get me fired.

[PuertoLibre]

Behave yourself and you'll get respect, fail to do so, and you'll get what you get and I'll laugh at you whining and crying and sending email and after email to my employer trying to get me fired.

I haven't contacted your employer in a very long (I mean long) time. When I did make a complaint it was perfectly legitimate. You attempted to intimidate me (from my perspective) through my loved ones for good measure. Including threatening to trump up false legal charges.


The only one who did throw a tantrum was you. For what? For informing them about your behavior? Anyway, if you are worried about what you do, then you have to moderate your own behavior and "behave".

It's not up to me to get you fired for your own junk postings. I cannot "do" anything if you don't misbehave in the eyes of your employer.

There is already a wide consensus that you behave in a terrible (as in obscene or objectionable) manner. This crosses the boundaries of customer vs non-customers.

If that is something you actually worried about then you should have a silent talk with Josh (your alter ego) about cleaning up your postings when they occur to you just before you type something up.

If what you type can actually get you fired, then that is the first sign that something you are doing is very wrong in the eyes of an employer. I guess it should be kinda obvious, but apparently it isn't the case.

[Inaba]

You are easily the most deluded individual I have ever had the misfortune of meeting, Yajaira, especially given the fact that you're almost 60 years old and you're on here babbling like an idiot nearly 24/7.  You'd think by the time someone was your age, you'd have a more firm grasp on life.  But too late now, eh?  Wasted life...

[PuertoLibre]

By the way, I asked you to take down my information from your forum. Precisely what city I live in.

You haven't taken action. That is something worth actually doing on your part.

[PuertoLibre]

@ Inaba

It appears I will have to get in contact with BFL to rectify this issue of harassment.

You are not welcome to post my personal identity or any kind of identifiable information. Doing so results in cyber stalking and online harassment.

@ Moderators

Please issue some corrective measure for this man.

[Inaba]

Yeah, I guess that goes right along with you reposting my personal pictures and information, huh?  Good luck with that.

If you don't want your personal information public, don't post it on the internet.  Duh.  Do you see me whining and crying about you taking down my personal information that you've posted?  No, you don't... because I know if I post it on the internet, it's out there and there's nothing I can do about it.

Doing so results in cyber stalking and online harassment.

Wrong-O, my good man.  The only information posted here has been made publicly available by you.  I've not threatened to get you fired, come to your house or do anything (except issue a restraining order for you) with regards to you.  I'm neither stalking nor harassing you.  If you stopped posting about me or my company, we would have zero interaction... you, my friend are the one that is classic stalker.  I don't follow you around and hang off your every post.  In fact, look what thread you're posting in... does it say "PuertoLibre's personal thread" or even "Yajaira D Guevara's house" as a thread title?  Nay, sir!  It does not!  It says "Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs."

[PuertoLibre]

Yeah, I guess that goes right along with you reposting my personal pictures and information, huh?  Good luck with that.

If you don't want your personal information public, don't post it on the internet.  Duh.  Do you see me whining and crying about you taking down my personal information that you've posted?  No, you don't... because I know if I post it on the internet, it's out there and there's nothing I can do about it.

If you find any information which you would like me to take down, you can notify me via PM. I will be glad to do so. My inbox is open and waiting to recieve your notices of such requests. I am making myself available to process such request(s).

Further, if you notify me of something that you do want me to take down, you should also contact any other folks posting such information to establish that you do not have some kind of established vendetta or personal bias against one specific individual (namely me).

I am happy to comply. You should do the same, as you have been personally notified that I do not want personal information to be posted.

This is an official notification of such to you (Inaba).