Synereo

[boomboom]

Liar:

Cool it man! I mean facebook has by far the largest number of active users in the english speaking world, so for most people 'Facebook' is THE english speaking social network. I'm not claiming to be an expert in this area, and not trying to deliberately deceive, so calling me a liar is too strong. Ignorant I may be on many things, but not a liar.

My point is that in terms of what Synereo's beta portends to do (decentralized social networking), there is a laundry list of competitors already. So to say that FB has no competition from decentralized social networks is true but to say it has no decentralized social networking competitors is BLATANTLY FALSE.

You have given no justification for any feature that Synereo claims to have that would make the result for it any different than any of the other in laundry list of decentralized social networking projects. Thus you have provided no logical support to claim Synereo will get a lot of attention, when there are so many attempts before it (even which are ongoing projects).

Well the reason I am posting adamantly is because I has already posted (in this thread) that information about the laundry list of competitors to Synereo two times before you posted (and by now four times). And you are making a statement to pump up the value of AMPs to n00bs who don't understand that what you wrote is BLATANTLY FALSE.

I edited my post and changed "Liar" to "BLATANTLY FALSE". Apology for using the imprecise word.

Please, please read the thread carefully before posting claims that could influence speculators to acquire or dispose of AMPs.

Blatantly false is probably accurate. I'm a noob in this space (decentralised social networks), and i can see now there are many projects other than Synereo. I am excited to see Facebook face some competition though, and the attention economy features are particularly interesting, so any project attempting new monetisation models are worth a serious look. I will, however, quell my enthusiasm a bit more, I'm not by nature a 'pumper', and I have much more to learn.
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[TPTB_need_war]

The model of prioritizing shared content by reputation and hash tags is technically interesting. But afaics, that alone is not enough to drive any significant adoption in my opinion.

Afaics, there are some minor annoyances with Facebook, but for the most part uses are not complaining about Facebook feeds.

To drive a market adoption, you have to attack some real compelling need that some niche sector has.

IMO, the reason all the decentralized social networking attempts have flopped, is because they did not address some compelling need.

In the software industry, disruption comes from fulfilling some new market that others did not see.

[fartbags]

The model of prioritizing shared content by reputation and hash tags is technically interesting. But afaics, that alone is not enough to drive any significant adoption in my opinion.

Afaics, there are some minor annoyances with Facebook, but for the most part uses are not complaining about Facebook feeds.

To drive a market adoption, you have to attack some real compelling need that some niche sector has.

IMO, the reason all the decentralized social networking attempts have flopped, is because they did not address some compelling need.

In the software industry, disruption comes from fulfilling some new market that others did not see.

Synereo has this thing they are calling "The Attention Economy". They are also using a new term "Social Contracts" to describe how users interact with each other. It sounds interesting.

You need to have a Synereo server to use the system though. I don't think many people will be interested in running a server to use a social network. They could rent a server but that will probably cost money. Current social networks are free.

[jimscarver]

Other P2P social networks do not compete with FaceBook in the ways that Synereo does.

Facebook uses complex analytics to curate your stream.  There is a deep science involved determining what you see. And while the choices made for you are not always to your liking the success of FaceBook is determined by how well they can capture your attention.  Other social network alternatives either employ no analytics, or simple ones to curate your stream.  What mechanisms there are tend to compromise your privacy. Synereo uses intelligent reactive programming techniques based on your choices in directing your attention to automatically give you the content you want without violating your privacy.  

In addition, Synereo provides economic scalability and equitable rewards to content creators, curators, and participants seamlessly.  

These things alone separate Synereo from the pack. There are many other aspects of Synereo that are revolutionary.  It is a platform, not just an application. We cannot put Synereo in the same bucket as the other simplified FaceBook wannabees.  

Synereo extends algorithmic certainty from the blockchain all the way down to the user interface with verifiable formal mobile communicating process calculus ensuring that personal rules as well as social contracts are obeyed with proven certainty by the whole decentralized network.  Social networking is only the tip of the iceberg of decentralized applications of the Synereo stack being developed and being planned for the future. Private social networks and email are the beginning of what may be the next evolutionary step of the internet that will be trustworthy from stem to stern.  Synereo puts a powerful decentralized user agent in the hands of all its users.  It enables sharing of rules that allow users to empower each other. It enables collaborative applications to evolve among users in a community.  Synereo is truly in a class by itself.

Users will run their own Synereo node and become part of the network or use a node they trust.  You will not need a server to run it and can profit from the use of your personal nodes use by the network.

[TPTB_need_war]

jimscarver, that is a good summary and I agree with the technical aspects of your comments based on my reading of the 51 page Synereo white paper. However not all the details are in that white paper, as had been covered in discussion between the Synereo lead dev and myself in the prior discussion (linked upthread).

So there are a few counter points:

1. See my prior post as quoted by fartbags immediately above your post, which argues that any advantage Synereo might have in prioritizing relevance of content, it is very unlikely to spur any adoption. They should not raise funding until after they prove some significant adoption. A release of beta code is not significant adoption.

2. I still argue the AMPs and model of compensating people to share is incorrect and is just to justify selling an ostensibly illegal unregistered investment security ICO.

3. As I said, their specification is not complete and public and thus we can't really evaluate if the technical (technobabble) claims are true. There is no way I will be digging in their source code to try to reverse engineer such DD research.

4. I simply don't believe that sharing is the main problem. Humans work out cleverly how to game Facebook and achieve the sharing they want. Humans are more clever than any static algorithm. IMO, the main problems people need solved in the realm of social network and social distribution are ones that are not even on Synereo's near-term radar afaics.

[SynereoCommunity]

..covered in discussion between the Synereo lead dev and myself..

When or where did this happen?

[TPTB_need_war]

..covered in discussion between the Synereo lead dev and myself..

When or where did this happen?

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

It is also copied to Reddit in the thread I made about the truth about Ethereum being banned from this forum (when I was temporarily banned):

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/42rvm3/truth_about_ethereum_is_being_banned_at/

Is that specifically covered in the white paper or a design improvement hence?

[DecentralizeEconomics]

FORUM WARNING!

Be careful guys.  TPTB_need_war, aka Shelby Moore III, has the FBI on speed dial, and will, at a moment's notice, report you to the feds if you disagree with him.  He is also one-hundred percent, completely, certifiably insane.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1426998.msg14475226#msg14475226

What is the procedure I need to follow in order to obtain DecentralizeEconomics's IP address, so I can trace his identify back to his ISP or at least determine if he is trying to obscure his identity with Tor, so I can then refer it I presume to the FBI.

[SynereoCommunity]

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

Ah, well hearing about some of the advancements since the white paper was written from the CEO is a good place.

Just hard to see where you came to your views.

As far as such speculation goes, only time will tell.

[DecentralizeEconomics]

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

Ah, well hearing about some of the advancements since the white paper was written from the CEO is a good place.

Just hard to see where you came to your views.

As far as such speculation goes, only time will tell.

http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/delusional-disorder

[TPTB_need_war]

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

Ah, well hearing about some of the advancements since the white paper was written from the CEO is a good place.

Just hard to see where you came to your views.

As far as such speculation goes, only time will tell.

I wrote the specification is not public. The CEO admitted it. What is hard to understand.  


Pyschopath DecentralizedEconomics has been put on Ignore and it has already been explained to him numerous times why and the evidence of his behavior is in another thread.

[DecentralizeEconomics]

DecentralizedEconomics has been put on Ignore

What happened?  Did the FBI block your number?

[jimscarver]

jimscarver, that is a good summary and I agree with the technical aspects of your comments based on my reading of the 51 page Synereo white paper. However not all the details are in that white paper, as had been covered in discussion between the Synereo lead dev and myself in the prior discussion (linked upthread).

Thanks.  The whitepaper is not up to date.  There have been many advances but they are not private.  They have been unveiled in weekly hangouts, the blog, slack, etc.  There are efforts underway to update the whitepaper.

1. See my prior post as quoted by fartbags immediately above your post, which argues that any advantage Synereo might have in prioritizing relevance of content, it is very unlikely to spur any adoption. They should not raise funding until after they prove some significant adoption. A release of beta code is not significant adoption.

A better stream is just one reason synereo will be adopted. About 20% of my associates refuse to use facebook due to privacy concerns.  They and those who want to network with them will be drawn to synereo.  Artists and other content providers are unhappy they they do not get a fair share of revenue from facebook.  They and their fans will be drawn to synereo.  Many on facebook are disturbed by the constant changes in facebook functionality and want to be able to control of their interface and functionality.  I myself am pissed off that facebook removed the friend-of-a-friend scope forcing me to either restrict distribution to my immediate friends or make it public.  Putting users in greater control will attract adoption.  And there are those who simply want to get out from under the thumb of the media giants for political reasons.  They will draw their social networks onto synereo.

2. I still argue the AMPs and model of compensating people to share is incorrect and is just to justify selling an ostensibly illegal unregistered investment security ICO.

The AMP model may need tuning.  There are continued advancements in the mathematics and simulation results.  As it is we can at least say AMPs provide economic incentives for the participants to drive the attention economy.  My belief is that the attention market is huge and should not be restricted and controlled by linking it to some other currency. We would not for example tie the cost of beans to the price of carrots.  In order for the attention economy to be allowed to thrive it should be independent.  Selling AMPs, and providing them as bounties to contributors, is no more suspect than selling advance tickets to an event. Many of us, buy AMPs to support the development of synereo because we want to use it, not necessarily as an investment.

3. As I said, their specification is not complete and public and thus we can't really evaluate if the technical (technobabble) claims are true. There is no way I will be digging in their source code to try to reverse engineer such DD research.

Attend the hangouts etc. and you'll be up to date. Transparency to the community is a major philosophy of synereo affirmatively executed.  Updates to the documentation are forthcoming.

4. I simply don't believe that sharing is the main problem. Humans work out cleverly how to game Facebook and achieve the sharing they want. Humans are more clever than any static algorithm. IMO, the main problems people need solved in the realm of social network and social distribution are ones that are not even on Synereo's near-term radar afaics.

Privacy and ownership of personal information, intellectual property and work product is not important to everyone.  Many are quite happy using facebook.  It undeniably provides a venue where they can can network in ways unimaginable a century ago.  They enjoy gaming the system.  But it is not a level playing field and society as a whole will ultimately lose  unless we take back control ourselves and change the game. Synereo is currently the only game in town that gives us that opportunity.  It is a decentralized incorruptible weapon providing us a defense against all forms of information war.  Even id you trust facebook, nobody knows what corrupt elements have infiltrated facebook. We cannot know what purpose our information is being put to. Any centralized power can and will be attacked and by the golden theorem will be subverted in finite time.  Synereo has no central point of attack.  It is prudent that we support it.  The justification is compelling and eventually the public will come around. Resistance it futile :-p

[SynereoCommunity]

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

Ah, well hearing about some of the advancements since the white paper was written from the CEO is a good place.

Just hard to see where you came to your views.

As far as such speculation goes, only time will tell.

I wrote the specification is not public. The CEO admitted it. What is hard to understand.  

My comment on your views had nothing to do with your statement about hearing news from Elokane.  It was regarding your unverified claims and assertions elsewhere.  There's room for differing opinions, of course.

However, while we're on that line, the info that you speak of was and is public; not being in the white paper does not change that.  Nor is Elokane the 'lead developer'.

Small changes, but important as to the potential for misinterpreting what you've said.

[TPTB_need_war]

Sorry I have no time to dig for it. If you click through to all my posts on Synereo in about 4 threads total, you should find it in an exchange between Elokane and myself.

Ah, well hearing about some of the advancements since the white paper was written from the CEO is a good place.

Just hard to see where you came to your views.

As far as such speculation goes, only time will tell.

I wrote the specification is not public. The CEO admitted it. What is hard to understand.  

My comment on your views had nothing to do with your statement about hearing news from Elokane.  It was regarding your unverified claims and assertions elsewhere.  There's room for differing opinions, of course.

However, while we're on that line, the info that you speak of was and is public; not being in the white paper does not change that.  Nor is Elokane the 'lead developer'.

Small changes, but important as to the potential for misinterpreting what you've said.

I stated we don't even know how the attention model will work because there are significant changes which are not holistically specified in a holistic document. That is a fact. Go refer to the discussion between Elokane and myself for the details. For example, it revolved around my observation that they would need to structure rep different for different #hashtags, which is no where in the whitepaper.

Elokane is the according to a Hangout I watched, credited by Greg as having the original idea and code, and Greg developed math to model and augment/formalize Elokane's initial work.

I have no idea who is the leader now, or if there is even one leader.

[TPTB_need_war]

I was thinking synereo was possibly meant

Same answer though. I don't even really know what that is, beyond some vague thing about social media. No idea how it was launched, what it does, etc. Never looked at it.

A competing social network for maskcoin or jambox or w/e hes calling it now. Hes trying to imply that you and Shelby intentionally gang on together on things maybe?

I dont know, but it seems like you broke the fella so i guess we probably wont know

I've read most of the 50+ page Synereo white paper, expended several hours viewing some of their YouTube Hangouts, done some limited discussion with their founding developer (username here Elokane), and posted in every recent Synereo thread in Altcoin Discussion.

Synereo was launched as a vaporware ICO and the math whiz on the project is Greg Meredith who is into process calculus research and was one of key persons apparently on Microsoft's BizTalk design. Greg is into using Scala and also is collaborating on the math modeling of Ethereum's upcoming, promised Casper design (which btw several of us, excluding smooth, have criticized in the Ethereum Paradox thread for its fundamental insoluble flaws).

I have pointed out that there are numerous P2P (aka distributed) social networking projects, so the idea of Synereo being the first and able to sweep the world, is very slim, especially they have no compelling features afaics. Thus I have criticized them for preselling tokens ("AMPS") with no adoption and on hype. Their major claim as an innovative feature is an "Attention Model" which is composed of reputation ("Reo") and a counter-vailing force of being able to pay to override reputation with the AMPS tokens. In other words, they aim to make the content that the users share more relevant. I had pointed out that the Reo needs to be fine-grained on for example #hashtags, and Elokane indicated that although that is not in the white paper they are implementing something like that, yet there is no holistic public specification afaik. They are claiming to be very close to beta, but I've pointed out that doesn't mean they are any where near adoption. I have also pointed out that Facebook users don't seem to have major complaints about the relevance of shared content on feeds, thus I doubt anyone will adopt Synereo (because their friends won't be there and much less content sharing and other chicken and egg dilemmas).

Also I have pointed out that the economics of advertising is the most someone could expect to earn by being paid to share (the AMPs model) is perhaps about $1 (in developing world) to $10 (first-world) per day and probably not that much. It simply isn't worth anyone's time. People don't join social networks to be paid some palty income. They join for other more important reasons. Thus I've argued the economic model for the AMPS is fundamentally flawed.

Thus I have argued they are preselling shit which no market.

Also I don't really understand the process calculus well enough to know if it is technobabble bullshit or not, but it sure looks like it to me. It looks like ivory tower shit that has no real implications in the real world. What did BizTalk do that was relevant? I did a Google search and it seems basically no one used it? Excuse me for being skeptical but the selling of ICOs is becoming too lucrative and attractive for every Joe who has some technobabble to make n00bs drool.

Smooth is not involved in my JAMBOX project at all. I occasionally trade ideas with him about technology. My JAMBOX project will when it is crowdsourced (not for tokens just for Tshirts!) will explain that it targets compelling features and economics. I have not yet announced that, because for one thing is that at the moment I am working on potentially creating a new programming language based on top of Rust, or perhaps contributing to Rust. Because JAMBOX is based on the concept of empowering mobile apps, and so I need to be sure the language we are using is the best in severals ways one of which is JIT compilation.

I don't hate Synereo's people. I just wish they hadn't done a vaporware ICO, both for the legal reasons of selling unregistered investment securities to non-accredited USA investors apparently in violation of securities law as provided for by the Supreme Court's Howey test and simply because it is the antithesis of the objective ethics (i.e. no zero-sum games) of meritocratic software development to sell vaporware.

[jimscarver]

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Synereo was launched as a vaporware ICO and the math whiz on the project is Greg Meredith who is into process calculus research and was one of key persons apparently on Microsoft's BizTalk design. Greg is into using Scala and also is collaborating on the math modeling of Ethereum's upcoming, promised Casper design (which btw several of us, excluding smooth, have criticized in the Ethereum Paradox thread for its fundamental insoluble flaws).

You are greatly misinformed here.  The technology behind Synereo, Greg's SpecialK, the persistent distributed process calculus machine, had been proven in production for more than two years. They also had the distributed Splicious social networking app prototype of Synereo running on SpecialK.  I believe you know all this but continue to repeat that Synereo was vaporware.  Why?

Greg work in process calculus leading BizTalk was also a bases for business process orchestration standards including BPEL, the workhorse of Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) used by enterprises today.  Greg disowned BPEL when it deviated from his model limiting its application. But that its the best thing out there we owe in no small party to Greg.

Greg work on Casper with Ethereum is the tip of the iceberg of the blockchain research Greg is doing. He has devised architecture capable of thousands of transactions per second.  He is leading an evolution of the blockchain that is scalable, objectively fair, incorruptible and mathematically proven. Watch the hangouts, they are awesome.  Synereo is blockchain agnostic and it is not planned to have its own blockchain initially, the point of the research is that synereo is guarenteed to scale and will be able to offer blockchain innovations to users in the future.

I have pointed out that there are numerous P2P (aka distributed) social networking projects, so the idea of Synereo being the first and able to sweep the world, is very slim, especially they have no compelling features afaics. Thus I have criticized them for preselling tokens ("AMPS") with no adoption and on hype. Their major claim as an innovative feature is an "Attention Model" which is composed of reputation ("Reo") and a counter-vailing force of being able to pay to override reputation with the AMPS tokens. In other words, they aim to make the content that the users share more relevant. I had pointed out that the Reo needs to be fine-grained on for example #hashtags, and Elokane indicated that although that is not in the white paper they are implementing something like that, yet there is no holistic public specification afaik. They are claiming to be very close to beta, but I've pointed out that doesn't mean they are any where near adoption. I have also pointed out that Facebook users don't seem to have major complaints about the relevance of shared content on feeds, thus I doubt anyone will adopt Synereo (because their friends won't be there and much less content sharing and other chicken and egg dilemmas).

You seem to have ignored all the reasons for adoption I have given. Privacy is important to many who would rather not use facebook who will insist their contacts use a private decentralized system nobody owns or controls.  Many users do not want a user experience that is dictated to them without the opportunity to branch their own.  Many do not want others to control their streams.

If everything was spelled out completely in the original whitepaper they would have had it already and not need any funding.  The whitepaper spells out sufficient justification for the approach, not every detail.  You are asking for a book, not a whitepaper.

If you are suggesting that the average person does not understand what synereo is doing, that's very true.  Its quite abstract and the average person or investor isn't going to see the real value it offers without a lot of research and theoretical mathematics.  Dumbing it down is one of Synereo's major initiatives currently along with autonomous governance, UX design, etc.  It's a BIG job but the community is committed and additional funding opportunities are presenting themselves.

It you have been following the hangouts or Gregs posts you should know the #tag or "filter" does control perceived REO.  A religious evangelist, for example might have high REO with respect to his community, but not mine, due to my #filters. Filters are #hashtags on steroids!.

In the Synereo model, @channel are addresses representing bi-directional channels, while #filters are composable general formal social contracts in a language of decentralized mobile communicating process calculus consisting of only @'s (objects) and #'s (code).  Once you see the whole picture is is gorgeous.  Everything is type safe and algorithmically verifiable. Program behaviour is formally provable  Greg is willing to answer anyone's questions.  Don't give up on synerio because it is not one of those shallow ideas that generate a lot of excitement but have no meat behind them.

But, I think you know most of this so I really wonder what your motivation is to disparage synereo.  You appear to agree with my arguments and then seem to ignore them.  If your point is that synereo will not succeed by tomorrow you are correct.  The beta will not be for three months. Adoption may start slow but I anticipate exponential growth. Resistance is futile :-p

You need not war with synereo, but thanks for keeping the AMP price low.
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[TPTB_need_war]

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Synereo was launched as a vaporware ICO and the math whiz on the project is Greg Meredith who is into process calculus research and was one of key persons apparently on Microsoft's BizTalk design. Greg is into using Scala and also is collaborating on the math modeling of Ethereum's upcoming, promised Casper design (which btw several of us, excluding smooth, have criticized in the Ethereum Paradox thread for its fundamental insoluble flaws).

You are greatly misinformed here.  The technology behind Synereo, Greg's SpecialK, the persistent distributed process calculus machine, had been proven in production for more than two years. They also had the distributed Splicious social networking app prototype of Synereo running on SpecialK.  I believe you know all this but continue to repeat that Synereo was vaporware.  Why?

I've seen something running on Greg's computer screen in Hangout videos. Is that what you mean? If so, how does that exhibit anything that I can significantly verify. Is there a website I can load now and play around with? How many users are on that social network now?

Greg work in process calculus leading BizTalk was also a bases for business process orchestration standards including BPEL, the workhorse of Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) used by enterprises today.  Greg disowned BPEL when it deviated from his model limiting its application. But that its the best thing out there we owe in no small party to Greg.

I have no idea what that does and how it has been used. I can't find concise explanations of the use cases and technology. Seems all like technobabble to me and I am reasonably astute in technology.

Greg work on Casper with Ethereum is the tip of the iceberg of the blockchain research Greg is doing. He has devised architecture capable of thousands of transactions per second.  He is leading an evolution of the blockchain that is scalable, objectively fair, incorruptible and mathematically proven. Watch the hangouts, they are awesome.  Synereo is blockchain agnostic and it is not planned to have its own blockchain initially, the point of the research is that synereo is guarenteed to scale and will be able to offer blockchain innovations to users in the future.

Ah more technobabble. I already listened to several Hangouts and it was always handwaving. Let him write a technical paper that I and other mere mortals can understand. He hasn't done that.

Privacy is important to many who would rather not use facebook who will insist their contacts use a private decentralized system nobody owns or controls.

Bwahahaha.  

Many users do not want a user experience that is dictated to them without the opportunity to branch their own.  Many do not want others to control their streams.

Customization is a potential compelling feature. But you've still got to hurdle the chicken-or-egg dilemma of users not using a social network where their contacts aren't already there. They need a compelling reason to use even if their contacts aren't there.

If everything was spelled out completely in the original whitepaper they would have had it already and not need any funding.  The whitepaper spells out sufficient justification for the approach, not every detail.  You are asking for a book, not a whitepaper.

That sort of funding is best raised in an ongoing crowdfunding (not for tokens) and/or private investing from angel investors. By publicly offering an investment security, there will be more demands to make full disclosures.

If you are suggesting that the average person does not understand what synereo is doing, that's very true.  Its quite abstract and the average person or investor isn't going to see the real value it offers without a lot of research and theoretical mathematics.  Dumbing it down is one of Synereo's major initiatives currently along with autonomous governance, UX design, etc.  It's a BIG job but the community is committed and additional funding opportunities are presenting themselves.

You just admitted that this is technobabble being sold as an investment security (you even mentioned the price going down so you are insinuating it is for investment). Not good. You could get Synereo in legal trouble by admitting that.

Precisely my point is don't go selling investment securities to people they can't understand.

It you have been following the hangouts or Gregs posts you should know the #tag or "filter" does control perceived REO.  A religious evangelist, for example might have high REO with respect to his community, but not mine, due to my #filters. Filters are #hashtags on steroids!.

Good, but again generalized statements/goals are not verifiable technology specifications.

In the Synereo model, @channel are addresses representing bi-directional channels, while #filters are composable general formal social contracts in a language of decentralized mobile communicating process calculus consisting of only @'s (objects) and #'s (code).  Once you see the whole picture is is gorgeous.  Everything is type safe and algorithmically verifiable. Program behaviour is formally provable  Greg is willing to answer anyone's questions.  Don't give up on synerio because it is not one of those shallow ideas that generate a lot of excitement but have no meat behind them.

I have no idea what is provable and what is gameable. I don't trust his magic wand technobabble. It needs peer review. He needs to be able to teach the math to all of us in a way we can reason about it ourself and verify if it is gameable or not. I don't have time to go learn all the foundational research on process calculi.

But, I think you know most of this so I really wonder what your motivation is to disparage synereo.  You appear to agree with my arguments and then seem to ignore them.  If your point is that synereo will not succeed by tomorrow you are correct.  The beta will not be for three months. Adoption may start slow but I anticipate exponential growth. Resistance is futile :-p

You need not war with synereo, but thanks for keeping the AMP price low.
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Have I not explained my stance now?

[jimscarver]

Have I not explained my stance now?

Yes, you admit you are against Synereo because you do not understand it.  You do see some merit but doubt there will be strong adoption.  You raise the specter of potential legal issues with what is emerging as best practices in the crypto DAO arena.  You begrudge the founders of a truly revolutionary idea a share of the action.  They are not the least bit greedy in my book and are creating an environment that algorithmically trickles wealth down to the participants for the attention they generate, not to their pocketbooks.

You have been pointed to what you can do with synereo for almost a year but keep insisting there is nothing there. Why? http://blog.synereo.com/2015/08/12/top-5-things-you-can-do-with-synereo-now/

Where do you get all the time for all this nonsense?  Are you trying to keep me busy to slow Synereo progress?  It seems to be a destructive activity with no up side.  How is it that you do not have better things to do?

[TPTB_need_war]

Have I not explained my stance now?

Yes, you admit you are against Synereo because you do not understand it.

Because they have only provided hand-waving technobabble and no specification that could be peer reviewed by anyone here.

The rest of your post was a combination of disingenuous drivel and more hype to pump some technobabble. Good luck.