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April 06, 2016, 01:47:34 PM
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Hello,

I have loaned out some BTC to eddyubachs in exchange of his BTCTalk account as collateral.
eddyubachs defaulted and now I realize he somehow managed to recover control of collateralized account.

Is there any way to recover that account so I can sell it to recover my loss ?

eddyubachs posts on my loaning thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977216.msg10721165#msg10721165

Edit : I ask here first to know if that's possible at all. I don't want to bother theymos if people think this is impossible.
I never really followed this kind of conflicts, I don't really know what can be done in such case.

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April 06, 2016, 01:49:59 PM
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Hello,

I have loaned out some BTC to eddyubachs in exchange of his BTCTalk account as collateral.
eddyubachs defaulted and now I realize he somehow managed to recover control of collateralized account.

Is there any way to recover that account so I can sell it to recover my loss ?

eddyubachs posts on my loaning thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977216.msg10721165#msg10721165

Did you have a signed message or at least the control of that account?

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April 06, 2016, 01:53:54 PM
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Maybe he did recover the account using his security question or via e-mail

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April 06, 2016, 01:54:17 PM
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How comes there's no password change (or anything similar) whatsoever in seclog for that account, neither back when the loan was given, nor since then?

I should precise that it happened in 2015 !



Maybe he did recover the account using his security question
That wouldn't 'recover' the account, but lock it for security reasons.

Maybe he did recover the account via e-mail
The lender should have changed the email once he took over the account. Also, this would show up in seclog.



The seclog doesn't go that far.
Time to search http://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php


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April 06, 2016, 01:57:34 PM
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Did you have a signed message or at least the control of that account?

Well, I had control of the account. When looking at the account profile I see it was active yesterday. No wonder why I can't recall the password.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977216.msg10721374#msg10721374


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April 06, 2016, 02:00:18 PM
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How comes there's no password change (or anything similar) whatsoever in seclog for that account, neither back when the loan was given, nor since then?

Really ? Weird.
I usually change the email & the account passwords when I got control of them, as collateral..

At least I neg rep his account, maybe he'll come to resolve the issue himself ?

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April 06, 2016, 02:02:14 PM
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How comes there's no password change (or anything similar) whatsoever in seclog for that account, neither back when the loan was given, nor since then?

Really ? Weird.
I usually change the email & the account passwords when I got control of them, as collateral..

you can see for yourself by looking at the seclog page. no password change of that account since march 10th.

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April 06, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
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I should precise that it happened in 2015 !
The seclog doesn't go that far.

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April 06, 2016, 02:07:13 PM
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The seclog doesn't go that far.
Indeed, however, there are archived versions.

May 25, 2015, 05:06:29 PM - eddyubachs - password changed

I should precise that it happened in 2015 !
So you didn't notice that you lost control over your collateral for a year?


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April 06, 2016, 02:09:35 PM
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I should precise that it took place in 2015 !
The seclog doesn't go that far.

oh wow. I didn't notice the year.
looks like he went active a month after that (10th april). using different address entirely.
the archived version of seclog only went as far as 10th April 2015 and I can't find any password reset. lutpin found one.

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April 06, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
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Thanks a lot for your help, Lutpin and --Encrypted--

So you didn't notice that you lost control over your collateral for a year?

I took some distance with cryptoworld for about a year. I'm back since a few day now.
Nope, I didn't notice that I lost control of that account until now.


How is that possible ? I did exactly the same as for another account and I still have control on the latter.
I mean, I changed the email and the password .. How could eddyubachs recover his account ?

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April 06, 2016, 02:22:30 PM
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How is that possible ? I did exactly the same as for account "BitBerau" and I still have control on the latter.
I mean, I changed the email and the password .. How could eddyubachs recover his account ?

possibly the pass was too weak and someone hacked it.  maybe by another person entirely.

also the only way to know if you can recover that account is to ask theymos directly. though I won't expect too much seeing that you can't sign a message.

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April 06, 2016, 03:12:02 PM
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Thanks a lot for your help, Lutpin and --Encrypted--

So you didn't notice that you lost control over your collateral for a year?

I took some distance with cryptoworld for about a year. I'm back since a few day now.
Nope, I didn't notice that I lost control of that account until now.


How is that possible ? I did exactly the same as for another account and I still have control on the latter.
I mean, I changed the email and the password .. How could eddyubachs recover his account ?

A signed message to the admin via PM can do that. IMHO this should be a scam accusation as its about a trade where you got tricked. Its very unlikely that staff or admins will intervene here.

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April 10, 2016, 08:54:20 AM
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I have checked post history of both yogg & eddyubachs.

looks like user yogg is trying to cheat here,from his post history it looks like he sold this account on 1april 2015 in an auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1004464.0;all
http://archive.is/H2Vvo

Update1: password of account yogg was reset recently,it is possible account was hacked so OP need to signed message from those 2 bitcoin addresses to confirm its the real owner of account.
1PgySteNsiH4BH2JZX2L2uFDHd3yUXv97b
16XNzDz7aKrHtnLAfCfsTJhcbP3ztaSdTB

Update2 : I checked complete auction details and I am 100% sure its the same account, so he sold the account and now trying to claim it back,left him a negative trust for this.
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April 10, 2016, 03:31:03 PM
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I have checked post history of both yogg & eddyubachs.

looks like user yogg is trying to cheat here,from his post history it looks like he sold this account on 1april 2015 in an auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1004464.0;all
http://archive.is/H2Vvo

Update1: password of account yogg was reset recently,it is possible account was hacked so OP need to signed message from those 2 bitcoin addresses to confirm its the real owner of account.
1PgySteNsiH4BH2JZX2L2uFDHd3yUXv97b
16XNzDz7aKrHtnLAfCfsTJhcbP3ztaSdTB

Update2 : I checked complete auction details and I am 100% sure its the same account, so he sold the account and now trying to claim it back,left him a negative trust for this.

Message : (remove doublequotes to verify)
"This is yogg.
I am the original owner of this account.

Please let me dig through my PMs to see how that auction was handled... but I don't remember selling that account ..."

Address : 1PgySteNsiH4BH2JZX2L2uFDHd3yUXv97b

Signature : IN+O/Lr/jcltrsvuLHUMGgW0F0KaZb8s2+S+6lz/tSSLbwxz4rH+I7srKH1zj+cmKN4UfzDG0a213KD+um2+Rsc=

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April 10, 2016, 03:37:25 PM
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I have checked post history of both yogg & eddyubachs.

looks like user yogg is trying to cheat here,from his post history it looks like he sold this account on 1april 2015 in an auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1004464.0;all
http://archive.is/H2Vvo

Update1: password of account yogg was reset recently,it is possible account was hacked so OP need to signed message from those 2 bitcoin addresses to confirm its the real owner of account.
1PgySteNsiH4BH2JZX2L2uFDHd3yUXv97b
16XNzDz7aKrHtnLAfCfsTJhcbP3ztaSdTB

Update2 : I checked complete auction details and I am 100% sure its the same account, so he sold the account and now trying to claim it back,left him a negative trust for this.

I just checked my PM Outbox.
You are right ...... I was mistaken. I wrongly assumed the account still belonged to me.
The account was sold to moko666.

Thanks for pointing this out.
I am sorry for the trouble. Let me remove the neg trust I put on the account.
I will as well PM Lutpin to ask him to kindly remove the neg rep he put following this.

I'm getting back from a year off Bitcoin, I need to assimilate where I am now.

By the way, I never contacted the forum staff to retrieve the account. I really didn't remember to sell it and incomprehension stroke me when I was unable to login in the account.
I asked for help here before making sure it still belongs to me.

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April 10, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
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I will as well PM Lutpin to ask him to kindly remove the neg rep he put following this.
No need to.


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April 10, 2016, 03:47:34 PM
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I will as well PM Lutpin to ask him to kindly remove the neg rep he put following this.
No need to.

Thanks Lutpin. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Sad

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April 10, 2016, 03:59:51 PM
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Update1: password of account yogg was reset recently,it is possible account was hacked so OP need to signed message from those 2 bitcoin addresses to confirm its the real owner of account.
1PgySteNsiH4BH2JZX2L2uFDHd3yUXv97b
16XNzDz7aKrHtnLAfCfsTJhcbP3ztaSdTB

I signed one message with the 1st address. The other is on an old wallet. Let me reboot that one and I'll provide another signed message.
Thanks.

Edit :
Signed message with the 2nd address :

Message : (remove doublequotes to verify)

"This is yogg.
This message is to authenticate me as the original owner of the "yogg" user account on BTCTalk.org"

Address : 16XNzDz7aKrHtnLAfCfsTJhcbP3ztaSdTB

Signature : IGYOnocX9ABqL2QoMIZRUoM2CNWiRVRl2Se7gFaB+m7TPpelYcfsO1kcoRS18IjMAHI4O1Fj38hDB0br5b/lLD4=

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